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Trulywonderful · 24/10/2023 16:32

Such a nice guy with a good morals obviously. What more do you want from a barrister or law firm that hasn't spoken out on this

(Sarcasm)

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 10:22

Coughingdodger · 30/10/2023 10:04

Well my Ukrainian friends - who aren’t violent themselves, so obviously no, it’s not everyone - don’t want to return to East Ukraine.

And the Israeli government is pretty brutal so I was wondering if it was a cultural thing rather than religious.

No middle eastern state wants to show weakness to their neighbours. That plays a big part of this. History of conflicts in the middle east has a lot to do with the conflict now. Israel despite what the west thinks is very much a middle eastern state and thinks like one if feels under attack. If you look at deaths in the middle east more Muslims have died from being killed by other Muslims than Jews. However because of the Jew hate and dhimmi thing a lot of Muslims chose to ignore this. Not relevant to the current Gaza deaths but it is to the narrative as a whole.

Sorry but if you want to talk about this then feel free to start a thread on it. I don't want to derail this one to much, ta.

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Coughingdodger · 30/10/2023 10:04

Well my Ukrainian friends - who aren’t violent themselves, so obviously no, it’s not everyone - don’t want to return to East Ukraine.

And the Israeli government is pretty brutal so I was wondering if it was a cultural thing rather than religious.

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 09:56

Coughingdodger · 30/10/2023 09:28

This is horrific and I’m sorry to hear.

One thing that strikes me is that Russia seems to be a place with a lot of overt physical brutality relative to many other countries. We’ve had Ukrainian guests who have said it’s part of the culture (in parts of Ukraine too).

On MN I have read that many American and European Jews who move to Israel return to Europe and the US after a few years because they feel it’s more home for them. But Jews who move there from Russia (and the ME) stay because they’ll be persecuted in their previous homes.

So would it be accurate to say that Israel has a large Russian demographic? Does this brutal Russian culture influence the way Israel’s government is behaving right now in Gaza? While thousands of American Jews close down Grand Central Station in protest?

This might sound like a goady question but I promise you it’s not. I’d be genuinely interested in an informed response if any of you know.

There is a big Russian population. However the Iraq Jewish population is bigger and they have more of an influence on feelings. After fleeing ethic cleansing in which their were many pogroms resulting in massive deaths in Iraq many generations are not willing to see the same thing happen to them again.

Not sure why you want to talk about Israel when this thread is about Jew hate outside of Israel and calling it out. Also the need to stop hate crimes in general before they end up with excavating violences.

As places like France has been seeing rising hate crimes, violent protests, attacks on police and stabbings at a school. I think we can be certain this problem isn't isolated to Russians. In fact it isn't particularly nice of you to label Russians violent, most are definitely not.

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 09:38

A Jewish centre in the republic of Kabardino-Balkaria was set on fire over the weekend.

We are set to see more of this around the world and gradually getting worse

If Britain does not start policing protests properly and dealing with the worst Jew hate offenders both there and other places then things will spiral in Britain too.

This goes for the knock of a rise in Islamophobia and anti immigrate feelings that will rise in some groups of general public. From hearing about the conflict and seeing behaviour at these protests as well as their own previous bias. These can and do end up translating into violence eventually

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Coughingdodger · 30/10/2023 09:28

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 09:18

An earlier incident at a hotel happened in the same Russia the day before too. This highlights the fact that if police had stepped dealt with things properly the day before people at the airport would not be in hospital now also how kind of hate can escalate fast if allowed:

On Saturday, a crowd in the city of Khasavyurt in Dagestan gathered outside a hotel where they believed some Israelis were staying.

The protestors threw stones at the windows and a sign was put on the door that read: "Entrance strictly forbidden to citizens of Israel…(Jews)."

Later police reportedly let some into the hotel so they could see for themselves that no Israelis were there.

This is horrific and I’m sorry to hear.

One thing that strikes me is that Russia seems to be a place with a lot of overt physical brutality relative to many other countries. We’ve had Ukrainian guests who have said it’s part of the culture (in parts of Ukraine too).

On MN I have read that many American and European Jews who move to Israel return to Europe and the US after a few years because they feel it’s more home for them. But Jews who move there from Russia (and the ME) stay because they’ll be persecuted in their previous homes.

So would it be accurate to say that Israel has a large Russian demographic? Does this brutal Russian culture influence the way Israel’s government is behaving right now in Gaza? While thousands of American Jews close down Grand Central Station in protest?

This might sound like a goady question but I promise you it’s not. I’d be genuinely interested in an informed response if any of you know.

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 09:18

An earlier incident at a hotel happened in the same Russia the day before too. This highlights the fact that if police had stepped dealt with things properly the day before people at the airport would not be in hospital now also how kind of hate can escalate fast if allowed:

On Saturday, a crowd in the city of Khasavyurt in Dagestan gathered outside a hotel where they believed some Israelis were staying.

The protestors threw stones at the windows and a sign was put on the door that read: "Entrance strictly forbidden to citizens of Israel…(Jews)."

Later police reportedly let some into the hotel so they could see for themselves that no Israelis were there.

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etmoietmoietmoi · 30/10/2023 09:16

And to add:

"Reports of anti-Jewish acts were not confined to Makhachkala. In Nalchik, another city in the neighbouring Kabardino-Balkaria region, a planned Jewish centre was set on fire earlier on Sunday. Earlier on Sunday, protesters also besieged a hotel in the Dagestani city of Khasavyurt, searching rooms for “Jewish refugees”.

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 09:12

More on the pro paletine airport incident:

The authorities closed the airport and it will stay closed until Tuesday, Rosaviatsia says.

Sixty alleged mob participants have been arrested, Russian news agencies say, citing the local interior ministry.

Video clips showed hundreds of people storming the airport terminal, with some waving Palestinian flags.

Many in the crowd shouted antisemitic slogans while others chanted "Allahu Akbar" - God is greatest.

Local media reported that some demonstrators were stopping cars outside Makhachkala's airport demanding to see documents, in a chaotic search for Israeli passports.

Twenty people were injured, including some police officers, the republic's health ministry said. Some have serious injuries and two are in critical condition.

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Rubbishagain · 30/10/2023 08:53

Teentaxidriver · 29/10/2023 21:13

No Coughing - not disgusting derailing. I am merely pointing out that you are an anti-Semite. It is interesting that I have written nothing about my attitude to the deaths in Gaza.

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Rubbishagain · 30/10/2023 08:52

Finlesswonder · 29/10/2023 23:43

Not Jewish. I stand with Israel.

So you’re happy with the genocide of the whole of Gaza and the illegal occupation of West Bank and the illegal settlers still killing innocent civilians

Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 00:24

At the pro Palestine rally on 20th October at Bristol university, The Socialist Workers Student Society were reportedly circulating illegal pamphlets endorsing the actions of Hamas, with the latest distribution happening on Tuesday.

The vice chancellor addressed this circulation of “unacceptable material, supportive of Hamas” around campus.

Bristol Uni vice-chancellor condemns selling of pro-Hamas booklets on campus after protest

The police are investigating the issue after information was handed out at a pro-Palestine rally this week

https://thetab.com/uk/bristol/2023/10/26/bristol-uni-vice-chancellor-condones-selling-of-pro-hamas-booklets-on-campus-after-protest-57257

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 00:17

This one is just a kid, seriously we are going to see more kids getting sucked into all this and doing stuff that could damage their future:

A 16-year-old youth, who cannot be named for legal reasons, who faces a public order offence (Section 5 Public Order Act) for alleged verbal abuse directed at police escorting the protesters.

He will appear at Bromley Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, November 15.

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 00:08

Laura Davis, 22, of Hendon Way, Barnet, north London, has been charged with a racially aggravated public order offence (Section 5 Public Order Act) in connection with an allegation that a placard that was ‘threatening and racist in nature’ was displayed in Piccadilly Circus.

She will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, November 29.

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 00:08

Atif Sharif, 41, of Albert Road, Walthamstow, east London, was charged with causing actual bodily harm after an officer was allegedly assaulted and suffered a head injury.

He was remanded in custody to appear at Highbury Corner Magistrates’ Court on Monday, October 30.

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 00:07

Kadirul Islam, 33, of no fixed address, was charged in relation to alleged racist abuse being shouted in Waterloo Road.

He will appear at Croydon Magistrates’ Court on Friday, December, 1, charged with a racially aggravated public order offence (Section 5 Public Order Act).

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Trulywonderful · 30/10/2023 00:06

This one is a bystander throwing a can at a pro Palestine protester:

Emma Turvey, 51, of Clarence Road, Grays, Essex, was charged with a public order offence (Section 4A Public Order Act) in relation to an alleged incident in Whitehall where a can of beer was thrown at a protester.

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There are now videos from the incident and news reports about it available too

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Finlesswonder · 29/10/2023 23:43

Not Jewish. I stand with Israel.

Akatsiya · 29/10/2023 22:56

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Stomacharmeleon · 29/10/2023 22:42

@Akatsiya is it not more than outcome of the Hamas delegation going to Russia to drum up support and declaring them 'great friends'.

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Trulywonderful · 29/10/2023 21:47

Not in Britain but Russia. However this is a good example of how things can get out of control and dangerous if protests are not carefully

Hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters broke into Makhachkala airport, in Russia’s north Caucasus region on Sunday evening, searching for passengers on a flight from Tel Aviv, according to local media and videos posted on social media.

Videos show the rioters, some of whom are draped in Palestinian flags, searching the airport for Jews and storming the airport’s tarmac surrounding a plane with Israelis on it.

Airport staff reportedly told the crowd to pick three leaders to board the plane with a camera to ensure there are no Israelis on it.

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