I’m not saying I’m pro Israel, however..:

It’s an an important distinction and yes of course. Hamas don’t even represent all Palestinians.

No op. Look at northern Ireland. The IRA bombed many British cities and killed many people. The British didn't carpet bomb northern Ireland.

What Israel is doing in retaliation is wrong. There must be a way for a sophisticated country like Israel to find hamas supporters without indiscriminately killing thousands of civilians. Saying oh hamas hide in hospitals so we'll bomb wherever etc is morally wrong. The British could have said oh the IRA hide in communities and hospitals we'll bomb the hell out the place...but they didn't. Ask yourself why.

When 9/11 happened hundreds of thousands of people still marched against the Iraq war that followed.

But Iraq had stuff all to do with 9/11 and anyone with a brain in their head knew that.

'The practice of wearing special clothing or markings to distinguish Jews and other non-Muslims (dhimmis) in Muslim-dominated countries seems to have been introduced in the Umayyad Caliphate by Caliph Umar II in the early 8th century. The practice was revived and reinforced by the Abbasid caliph al-Mutawakkil (847–861), subsequently remaining in force for centuries.[2][3] A genizah document from 1121 gives the following description of decrees issued in Baghdad:

Two yellow badges [are to be displayed], one on the headgear and one on the neck. Furthermore, each Jew must hang round his neck a piece of lead weighing [3 grammes] with the word dhimmi on it. He also has to wear a belt round his waist. The women have to wear one red and one black shoe and have a small bell on their necks or shoes.[4]'

Yellow badge - Wikipedia

Oh there's a lot more than 100 years of oppression as a backdrop to this but for some odd reason the pro-Palestinian side are reluctant to talk about anything pre-1948. Or why the Jews wanted their own state.

After the Islamic conquest all conquered non-muslim inhabitants were second-class citizens, dhimmis. This is an explicitly religious supremacist imperialist system/protection racket. It even involved gold stars for the Jews at times. This lasted for centuries. It was only formally ended in the Ottoman Empire around 1860, and then only because the Europeans coerced them into ending it after the Ottomans lost the Crimean war.

The remnants of this system remain in Islamic states to this day, including in Qatar where non-muslims remain second class citizens. Qatar not coincidentally funds Hamas.

It’s looking more likely that Israel has broken many international laws by deliberately depriving the Palestinian people of basics of life - food, water and access to medical care. I hope this is investigated.

Who is confused?? Who is supporting Hamas??

Is mourning 5000 dead Palestinians HALF OF THEM CHILDREN supporting Hamas??

Is wanting aid, water and food to flow to Gaza supporting Hamas?

Is calling out Israeli war crimes supporting Hamas?

Is wanting Palestinians to LIVE supporting Hamas?

You have shown your colours now stop. Please.

You have no business offering solutions to conflicts you don't understand.

'Footage of senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Zahar calling for world domination has resurfaced online.

“We believe in what our Prophet Muhammad said: “Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake, and I have seen its eastern and western ends. The dominion of my nation would reach those ends that have been drawn near me," Zahar said in the video that was published on MEMRI TV in December of 2022,

“The entire 510 million square kilometers of Planet Earth will come under [a system] where there is no injustice, no oppression, no Zionism, no treacherous Christianity and no killings and crimes like those being committed against the Palestinians, and against the Arabs in all the Arab countries, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and other countries," he said.'

WATCH: Israel is only the first target, warns Hamas commander - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

No-one has said Hamas has done any good for Palestine, that I can see.

Could you explain how people are confused? How could supporting Palestinian civilians mean supporting Hamas?

No, that's not how settled, peaceful countries work. We don't punish child killers by killing their kids.

That would be barbaric, inhumane and criminal.

Freedom house is downgrading it to a flawed democracy fyi.

Read that letter in the FT written by top UK Jewish lawyers.. it raised significant concern on Israel's conduct. I say this as someone with family with Israel and who is jewish- I am invested but I have not lost my humanity.

You still claiming Israel bombed that hospital and killed 500 people? Any other communications from Hamas you'd like to pass on?

Yes I definitely think that some people are confused and they think they are supporting Palestine while in fact they are supporting Hamas.
What good has Hamas done for Palestine? You tell me.

The Israelis didn't 'just come'. There were Jews living in the area the entire time, as second class citizens under Islamic dhimmi rules for centuries. The Arabs, the native Christians and the native Jews were all offered their own states when it came time to carve up the portion of the Ottoman Empire known as the Palestine Mandate. The Arabs refused repeatedly every single proposal to give either of their former dhimmi populations a single square inch of what they viewed as their territory for their states.

That was quick, thank you MNHQ.

Mumsnet agreed with me. Thankfully they have deleted your disgusting dog whistle post.
Thank you admin.

when they're thinking there supporting Palestine.
And how they will react when islamic Jihad is going to come knocking on their door.

You said supporting Palestine. At least don't shy away from it.
So you think either all Palestinians are Hamas, or all Palestinians want to "Islamic jihad"?

Stop the faux naïveté.
You didn’t even mention Hamas in the post I was referring to, just Palestine.
You are conflating support of Palestinian civilians with support of Islamic jihad.

I think that was part of the plan via the excessive bombing of Gaza and the direction to move South.

Anthony Blinken the American secretary of state and other parties were pressuring Egypt and other adjoining countries to open their borders. Hence Sisi and the King of Jordans strong response (basically saying f. off) to the Americans.

The Arab league countries have been communicating with Russia and China, who have basically said that the root of this problem is the failure of American Diplomacy. The BRICS and Arab countries are standing together with a call to implement the UN resolution on 1967 lines.

America voting twice against the UN resolutions for a humanitarian ceasefire lost it a lot of respect (plus Bidens disaster of a trip last week).

I think with public pressure the West is going to be embarrassed into pushing negotiations (as they can't possibly allow China and Russia to co-ordinate that).

@ChickHenLittle
I am talking here about Hamas.
Not ALL Muslims.

Isreal is an apartheid and racist state.

@Whu
Why is that racist retoric?
It's quite clear that I'm not taking about all Muslims.
I am taking about Hamas.
Surely you will agree that Hamas are radical Islamists?

I agree. If we are invaded we fight back. It was the same when ISIS and Al Q started bombing us here - US/UK took the fight to the homelands and went after those responsible.

Israel is a liberal democracy with good laws. The states which surround it are utterly awful and need to learn lessons from the UK and Israel about how to run a country properly and treat people properly. They should be humbly learning about democracy not invading Israel and murdering babies.

Israel rejected the two state solution in 2013

So supporting those civilians who may also be Muslim is supporting jihad?
Or is that all Muslims? On a personal level I am very interested to hear what you have to say.