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I’m not saying I’m pro Israel, however..:

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Lelophants · 23/10/2023 20:31

Surely most people can understand that if Israel was Great Britain and Hamas came and massacred children and innocent people in early October, then Great Britain would go to war and absolutely hammer them back? You just have to look at the response to any other war we’ve had. Do you really think the British government would behave perfectly in this situation? Do you think any western nation would do anything else in response to such an attack? I can genuinely see British people screaming in the streets to murder all babies of Hamas if this was the case. (Not saying it’s right!! I just don’t think we would be better in any way!!)

Personally I find this a really complicated conflict due to the deep history and I feel deeply sorry for civilians on each side.

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Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 17:11

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:43

Of course I would

There you go. You agree that the idea of ‘so what if the terrorist lives’ in pp is unlikely to be the norm.

It’s normal to not want more atrocities to be a possibility.

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I wouldn’t want more atrocities, no. Who would? But committing atrocities is precisely what Israel is doing. Thousands of them.

FrippEnos · 25/10/2023 16:51

Lelophants · 23/10/2023 20:31

Surely most people can understand that if Israel was Great Britain and Hamas came and massacred children and innocent people in early October, then Great Britain would go to war and absolutely hammer them back? You just have to look at the response to any other war we’ve had. Do you really think the British government would behave perfectly in this situation? Do you think any western nation would do anything else in response to such an attack? I can genuinely see British people screaming in the streets to murder all babies of Hamas if this was the case. (Not saying it’s right!! I just don’t think we would be better in any way!!)

Personally I find this a really complicated conflict due to the deep history and I feel deeply sorry for civilians on each side.

Having lived through the "troubles" with the IRA, your premise is wholly incorrect.

As for being Pro-Israel go for, neither side is covering themselves in glory with their actions

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:43

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 16:39

Of course I would. But I don’t think Israel is doing that at all.

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Of course I would

There you go. You agree that the idea of ‘so what if the terrorist lives’ in pp is unlikely to be the norm.

It’s normal to not want more atrocities to be a possibility.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 16:39

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:38

You’d still want terrorists stopped though.

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Of course I would. But I don’t think Israel is doing that at all.

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:38

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 16:35

With the level of anger from neighbouring ME countries at what Israel is doing right now, Israel certainly isn’t making its own citizens safe.

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You’d still want terrorists stopped though.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 16:35

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:09

Would you want the threat from terrorists stopped?

You can ask for it done another way if you have one, but I presume all would want to be safe from October 7th atrocities occurring again

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With the level of anger from neighbouring ME countries at what Israel is doing right now, Israel certainly isn’t making its own citizens safe.

MumsDailyNap · 25/10/2023 16:12

So you think it's ok for the Israelis to kill over 3000 children???

TomeTome · 25/10/2023 16:10

MadderthanMorris · 25/10/2023 15:02

My views on this are still very simple: if you need to murder a child to exact revenge on a terrorist, then guess what? You don't kill the child. That will never be ok. So what if the terrorist lives?

So are you assuming that they killed the children on purpose, for "revenge"?

If you cage up civilians 50% of whom are children, and then start lobbing bombs into the captives how is it not “on purpose”. Shameful inhuman behaviour that can NEVER be justified.

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:09

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 16:06

I wouldn’t be blasé.
But pointlessly murdering thousands of innocent children and destabilising an entire region, including my own country, wouldn’t be what I’d want or expect my government to do.

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Would you want the threat from terrorists stopped?

You can ask for it done another way if you have one, but I presume all would want to be safe from October 7th atrocities occurring again

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 16:06

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:00

So what if the terrorist lives?

Given the threat they showed on October 7th you’d like not be blasé if close enough

I wouldn’t be blasé.
But pointlessly murdering thousands of innocent children and destabilising an entire region, including my own country, wouldn’t be what I’d want or expect my government to do.

EasternStandard · 25/10/2023 16:00

So what if the terrorist lives?

Given the threat they showed on October 7th you’d like not be blasé if close enough

Alcemeg · 25/10/2023 15:57

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 15:25

You mean like bombing thousands of them?

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It would be easier not to bomb thousands of them if Gazans themselves helped out with identifying and locating the Hamas terrorists who have not only attacked Israel, but (if we are to give them the benefit of the doubt) have kept "innocent Gazans" hopelessly subjugated for years.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 15:25

Alcemeg · 25/10/2023 14:57

So what if the terrorist lives?

The trouble with terrorists is that they't not very nice people.

They tend to go on and do some pretty dreadful things, usually with children involved.

You mean like bombing thousands of them?

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 15:25

MadderthanMorris · 25/10/2023 15:02

My views on this are still very simple: if you need to murder a child to exact revenge on a terrorist, then guess what? You don't kill the child. That will never be ok. So what if the terrorist lives?

So are you assuming that they killed the children on purpose, for "revenge"?

Revenge is how it’s looking to a lot of people. Because it won’t solve terrorism.

MadderthanMorris · 25/10/2023 15:02

My views on this are still very simple: if you need to murder a child to exact revenge on a terrorist, then guess what? You don't kill the child. That will never be ok. So what if the terrorist lives?

So are you assuming that they killed the children on purpose, for "revenge"?

Alcemeg · 25/10/2023 14:57

So what if the terrorist lives?

The trouble with terrorists is that they't not very nice people.

They tend to go on and do some pretty dreadful things, usually with children involved.

Coughingdodger · 25/10/2023 14:46

thecatsthecats · 25/10/2023 14:28

My degree specialism is genocide and inter ethnic conflict.

It's a very in depth area

My views on this are still very simple: if you need to murder a child to exact revenge on a terrorist, then guess what? You don't kill the child. That will never be ok. So what if the terrorist lives?

Oh so true. There’s nothing else to say.

thecatsthecats · 25/10/2023 14:28

My degree specialism is genocide and inter ethnic conflict.

It's a very in depth area

My views on this are still very simple: if you need to murder a child to exact revenge on a terrorist, then guess what? You don't kill the child. That will never be ok. So what if the terrorist lives?

QuacketyQuack · 25/10/2023 14:08

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Reallifelurker · 25/10/2023 07:40

You don’t want to go on twitter then.

Fine. I won’t. Anything else?

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Lelophants · 25/10/2023 07:37

Reallifelurker · 24/10/2023 21:19

Not quite the same as what happened to Israel recently. Have you actually seen what happened? A lot of it wasn’t broadcast as well as what’s been happening in Gaza

I’m aware (although I haven’t seen any footage of murdered kids. And if it’s out there I don’t wanna see it)

With all due respect I don’t think you can say the UK responded to terrorism in a more restrained manner because it wasn’t proper terrorism. Like - they killed a bunch of people but being blown up is a nice quick death really and most of them were adults so it’s fine.

You don’t want to go on twitter then.

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Reallifelurker · 24/10/2023 21:19

Not quite the same as what happened to Israel recently. Have you actually seen what happened? A lot of it wasn’t broadcast as well as what’s been happening in Gaza

I’m aware (although I haven’t seen any footage of murdered kids. And if it’s out there I don’t wanna see it)

With all due respect I don’t think you can say the UK responded to terrorism in a more restrained manner because it wasn’t proper terrorism. Like - they killed a bunch of people but being blown up is a nice quick death really and most of them were adults so it’s fine.

Reallifelurker · 24/10/2023 20:36

Well, the Anglo-Saxons and Celts of Britain had to find ways to accommodate their new rulers, in 1066, didn't they?

There is nothing new under the sun

New rulers? LOL

The Zionist Yoke.

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Lelophants · 24/10/2023 20:17

Parkingt111 · 24/10/2023 16:35

1 CHILD KILLED EVERY 13 MINUTES IN GAZA

We are at the brink of humanitarian catastrophe'Since Hamas's attack on 7 October, some 2,000 children have been killed in retaliatory Israeli airstrikes in Gaza, according to Save the Children.
Speaking to Sky News, the organisation's country director for the occupied Palestinian territories, Jason Lee, said one child was killed every 13 minutes.
"We are at the brink of humanitarian catastrophe. It is critical there is a ceasefire," he said.
"The needs for children are growing and it is getting more desperate every day."

That’s awful

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