What do you understand from the chant 'Free Palestine'?

Israel was permanently “stuck with” 700,000 Jewish refugees. It has worked out well.

The, as in the Arab world, could support them in a heartbeat. There are only 2 million people in Gaza and the Gulf States, who allegedly support their cause, could pay for that a dozen times over.

Anyway, haven't I been told many times that refugees are a net economic benefit to any economy? They might need a little extra money to start with but after that they're a boon to anyone.

@MangoAF

Well said!

Thank you OP you put it brilliantly. You won’t have any luck convincing a lot of posters on here though. I happen to agree with you though.

I didn’t say you shouldn’t chant it. I support freedom of speech too. Chant about free Palestine as much as you want.

I told you how I understand it. It tells me a lot about you.

Why what?

And are you trying to claim that all countries are equally safe for gay people?

Because they believe that's what Israel wants and then it would win. And because they don't want to be stuck with, say, a million refugees permanently.

That's not true. I, and other old-school liberals, will tell any minority group who attempts to tell me what is or isn't hatred of their group exactly the same thing. Which is that I don't do identity politics and I support freedom of speech.

If the freedom was the issue, they would've accepted the two state solution, build a state and aim to peace and prosperity

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breaking a cease fire and committing large scale atrocities.

Hamas doesn't want to "free Palestine". It wants to eradicate Israel and by extension the jews.

People chanting "free Palestine" are either mistaking Hamas for Nelson Mandela (when they are more like Isis) or know exactly what Hamas stand for and are fine with it.

I don't understand how it is a call to Jihad. You might have a small number of nutters chanting it as a trojan horse, but for the vast majority it is what it is.

Wanting Palestinians to have better lives and better treatment from Israel is not the same as supporting Hamas. Unfortunately, the marches and chanting are entirely in response to Hamas breaking a cease fire

Free as in Judenfrei.

The Jews are the only minority on the planet who are forced to accept when others tell them what’s Jew-hatred and what isn’t.

Pollyputthekettleon, I agree with the ignorance and naivety of many of the liberal left. The most astonishing banners I've seen over the last couple of weeks are 'Queers for Palestine' and 'LGBT+ supports Palestine'.

Are you unaware that one of the reasons why the Arabs refused every proposal to give the Jews their own state is that they believe that lands conquered by Islam cannot voluntarily be given to non-muslims. Therefore the state of Israel itself is occupying their land?

You'll have trouble finding a slogan that will be understood in the same way by all of the weird bedfellows of a pro-Palestinian march. You could propose something like 'Peace' or something equally nice, and see how that goes down with the people who actually organize these marches. Actually 'Human Rights Now!' would be a great one to spark some interesting discussions. The useful idiots might learn something from that.

I don’t think people are telling you she is lying - just that you have to consider the outcome of a policy proposal as well as the intent.

Most people saying ‘Free Palestine’ mean that they want one state, including the areas that are now Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, within which Palestinians can move freely, live wherever they want, and return to the locations of their ancestral villages - including Palestinian refugees and their descendants currently living in other countries.

On the surface, this sounds great - it would mean freedom for Palestinians, and an end to the occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza.

BUT it would make Jews a minority - 6 million against around 10 million Palestinians. There would undoubtedly be mass violence against the Jewish population by radicalised sections of the Palestinian population who believe that the Jews can be convinced - or forced - to leave. Many Jews, particularly the 60% whose ancestors were expelled from Arab countries after 1948, have nowhere else to go - there would be nowhere left that was safe for them.

The Israeli Jewish population will never willingly agree to this - even if all their Western allies abandon them. They will fight to the end. It would almost certainly lead to a lengthy Lebanese style civil war with horrific casualties on both sides.

TL;DR - calling for a Free Palestine is one thing, but it’s a bit naive when you have no idea how to achieve it while keeping the Jewish population safe.

Why won't the rest of the Arab world take Palestinian refugees at least women and children

Most of these things are ambiguous - that’s the problem.

Does that mean ’end the occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza?’

Or does the person consider all of Israel to be occupied Palestinian land and is thus calling for Israel to be abolished?

I'm in my 60s and it's only recently that I've seen anyone suggesting that it means anything other than removing the Jews.

Hopefully they mean 'free 'palestians' from hammas'

“Remove the blockade on Gaza”.

we’ve seen what happens when the Israeli border with Gaza is breached- they killed every person they could find is the most disgusting, inhumane atrocities in living memory.

so that’s a “no” for starters.

Left wing dogma