What do you understand from the chant 'Free Palestine'?

The propaganda machine has been so effective at presenting Palestinians as the oppressed group that the chant "Free Palestine from the river to the sea" is just lost on people as to what is actually entailed in doing that.

Sounds nice I suppose.

Unless you factor in extremist terrorists who are prepared to do anything to get what they want

I don't speak the language of 'denying members of X minority groups' experiences'. I do not and will never accept that any minority group has the sole authority to define any word in our language. I've explained already that I oppose identity politics. You're familiar with this position, right? It was normal across the political spectrum up until approximately 5 minutes ago when the blue hair brigade arrived.

Wait, someone's already stolen Mango's idea?! That was quick. I think she should sue them for copyright infringement.

Exactly what I was trying to say.
Agree with you @ChickenSoupAndLokshen
Jewish people aren't allowed to say what's anti semitic...gosh no...special rules for Jewish people!

Are you denying the experiences of Jewish people who say this chant is anti semitic?
Is this what you are saying? Please clarify.

That is already happening. There are a multitue of pro Israel rallies happening. Join one. You can challenge them whenever they say they want peace and love and insist all they want is genocide.

I’m starting a new chant
“from the sea to the wall, Israel will conquer all!”
I’m going to start chanting it at rallies and such like. I’m sure if asked everyone will accept my explanation that it’s got absolutely nothing to do with Palestinians and wishing them any harm, but actually it’s really about peace and love and just hoping that kindness will prevail, and actually people can use it in different ways anyway.

Do you work in a workplace? That isn't how conversations go. Or maybe you are having a stroke.

Not at all a load of bullocks. Just like people on here say they know their Israeli / Jewish coworkers and friends aren't cheering at children being killed in Palestine or that they don't want every Palestinian dead and eradicated from earth. How do they know this - they talk, like people do.

And you know nothing about my workplace, not all workplaces are the same.

“Oh hi, how are you?”
”Good thanks, good weekend?”
”yeah great, just saw in the in laws. Do you want early or late lunch break?”
”early please. Sorry, just checking, when you say free Palestine, do you wish for the extermination of Jews and Israel?”
”gosh no! When I say free Palestine from the river to the sea, I merely mean to wish for love and peace for all!”
”great! I think we all want that so do keep chanting it at work”

Absolute load of bollocks. If you ever have had any conversation like that at work with colleagues I really hope there are no Jews at your workplace.

For as long as Palestinians are not free, I think they must be able to chant this. Of course there will be radical elements because there always are when a people group is being oppressed. It doesn't mean others can't call for their freedom.

This.

Disingenuous or very ill informed to say you don’t know this.

There is no one belief. There are over 14 million Palestinians dispersed and displaced around the globe. For many Free Palestine means to have a place to call home, for some it means the existence of a place called Palestine where Palestinians can come and go (freedom of movement) and freedom to make decisions and choices about their lives, for some it means the ability to see family they haven't seen in years / decades due to the occupation, for others it means freedom from being held captive by Israel, for some it means freedom to live their lives as free citizens, for others it means freeing the area of Jews / Isrealis, for some it means freedom from the constant threat of death, from the poverty of occupation, from the terror and trauma and pain and suffering they live with. For some the from the River to the Sea saying - means the freedom of Palestinians currently living in captivity between the River and the Sea, for others it may be more anti-semitic.

I work with quite a few Palestinians who grew up in Jordan - none are wishing for the extermination of Jews or Israel.

I'm so sorry for the suffering of innocent people and children but that region has been a region of conflict for 3000 years. I doubt it will ever become peaceful for more than a short moment.

If you ever catch me chanting 'Free Palestine' feel free to call some kind of emergency mental health team! You've misunderstood my position, that's all.

Communication is everything. When you (or anyone else) chant about "Free Palestine", who are you addressing? Israeli Jews and middle-east Arabs will both understand it alike as an exhortation to eliminate the Jews of Israel. The former as call to genocide, and the latter as permission to do the same.

It doesn't really matter what you have in your heart or whom you support.

What matters is how the people you're trying to influence hear it.

The person you were responding to finds it bizarre that liberals will support a society where gay people are infinitely less safe over a society where they are infinitely safer. Your response was that there are problems for gay people everywhere, which I'm sure you know is a complete non-sequitur.

I actually agree that there's no hypocrisy in the left's position on this.

This! ⬆️⬆️

And yet people still can't see they're holding Israel to a different standard than anyone else. The Jewish people have always been irrationally hated and it seems this is something which is growing, rather than diminishing. Truly terrifying.

This

Indeed it's used as a call to irradicate Jewish people from the area that Jewish people lived in thousands of years ago. Hamas would love people singing that support.

Its a dreadful 'song'.

Perhaps peaceful walk with no chants and anti semitic songs?

I'm Jewish and have no problem with 'Free Palestine' at a protest.

It would take on a different tone if shouted/chanted at or graffittied on a Jewish site like a school or synagogue, or at obviously Jewish people, as it would then have antisemitic and threatening overtones (eg 'As Jews you obviously must oppose a free Palestine and we want you to know we think you're shitty people by virtually of your religious affiliation')

I literally can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. I was answering the question the other poster asked.

I didn't ask whether you thought it was 'awful in most places'. I asked if you thought all countries were equally safe for gay people.

I'm pro-Israeli.