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For people who say I stand with Israel

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sprinklesprinkle · 22/10/2023 15:30

What does that mean to you? Especially for Jewish people who are happy to answer.

I know what Free Palestine means - it has always meant freedom for Palestinians, peace, basic human rights such as water, the right to life essentially.

I Stand with Israel - what exactly does this mean?

I am genuinely not being 'goady" to use a MN word but I want to learn & understand. I know many will say not to have Israelis attacked at a festival or for the hostages to be released but what is the long term goal for those that support what the Israeli government is doing. What do you want for Palestinians?

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bellac11 · 22/10/2023 16:19

I dont think everyone who says things like Free Palestine or I stand with Israel believe the same things as set out here

I stand with Israel because I believe the country shouldnt be under attack and has the right to exist

I say 'free palestine' because what I mean by that is that over decades Israel has been encroaching on the arrangements set out and agreed and limiting/restricting Palestinians to live free lives.

The problem is people like you to be on a 'side' so its nice and easy for them, but life is more grey than people wish

Ibizafun · 22/10/2023 16:19

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 22/10/2023 15:44

I'll just repeat what I said on another thread: My heart is with the Israeli peoples who just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace in a tiny area of the world, and it is also with the innocent Arab peoples who are being forced to live with the consequences of being ruled by Hamas.

Very accurate and simply put.

notsoready4school · 22/10/2023 16:18

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:39

I stand with Israel means to me that I will always support the existence of Israel as a democratic Jewish state. It also means I completely support the principle of them doing what they need to do to bring the hostages home and I support the need to eliminate Hamas.

Do not support the current Israel government who I hold responsible for entirely screwing up and tiny chance of a peaceful peace process and I do not support the starvation of innocent Gazan citizens

I will support the right of a Jewish homeland to the end of my days and also support a 2 state solution with a democratic government in Gaza and the West Bank helping them to build an infrastructure.

I support equal rights for arab Israel citizens within Israel and I believe that any Jews choosing to live on the West Bank need to do so under Palestinian rule and not colonise the land for themselves

Posts like this read and sound a lot like what many think Free Palestine means. Actually if Palestine has been allowed to be free in the first place the first paragraph of this post would not have been necessarily

soddingspiderseason · 22/10/2023 16:16

QuacketyQuack · 22/10/2023 16:12

How can anyone stand with Isreal after they dropped a bomb on a hospital, killed over 500 babies and children?

Except Hamas did that. They also place their rocket launchers in residential property, school and hospitals using Palestinian people as human shields.

Medlady · 22/10/2023 16:15

Palestine didn’t start it. Hamas did. And there is the problem.

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 22/10/2023 16:13

Israel did not start this 😐 I can't fathom why anyone supports the opposition... Israel simply fought back.

Atmytethersend · 22/10/2023 16:13

QuacketyQuack · 22/10/2023 16:12

How can anyone stand with Isreal after they dropped a bomb on a hospital, killed over 500 babies and children?

Eh they didn't. It was a misfired jihad rocket

QuacketyQuack · 22/10/2023 16:12

How can anyone stand with Isreal after they dropped a bomb on a hospital, killed over 500 babies and children?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 22/10/2023 16:09

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:39

I stand with Israel means to me that I will always support the existence of Israel as a democratic Jewish state. It also means I completely support the principle of them doing what they need to do to bring the hostages home and I support the need to eliminate Hamas.

Do not support the current Israel government who I hold responsible for entirely screwing up and tiny chance of a peaceful peace process and I do not support the starvation of innocent Gazan citizens

I will support the right of a Jewish homeland to the end of my days and also support a 2 state solution with a democratic government in Gaza and the West Bank helping them to build an infrastructure.

I support equal rights for arab Israel citizens within Israel and I believe that any Jews choosing to live on the West Bank need to do so under Palestinian rule and not colonise the land for themselves

Exactly right

2764mice · 22/10/2023 16:08

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:39

I stand with Israel means to me that I will always support the existence of Israel as a democratic Jewish state. It also means I completely support the principle of them doing what they need to do to bring the hostages home and I support the need to eliminate Hamas.

Do not support the current Israel government who I hold responsible for entirely screwing up and tiny chance of a peaceful peace process and I do not support the starvation of innocent Gazan citizens

I will support the right of a Jewish homeland to the end of my days and also support a 2 state solution with a democratic government in Gaza and the West Bank helping them to build an infrastructure.

I support equal rights for arab Israel citizens within Israel and I believe that any Jews choosing to live on the West Bank need to do so under Palestinian rule and not colonise the land for themselves

Oops I meant this. Thanks for articulating this so well.

2764mice · 22/10/2023 16:07

This. 1000x over.

Makethemostofit · 22/10/2023 16:03

Although this OP doesn’t really address me, because I don’t say “I stand with Israel”, I am currently wholly on the side of Israel in this.

I don’t believe in the correlation between ethnicity and a right to land, so I think the name ‘Israel’ is problematic because it is overtly tribal, however, as a country, it is a free and modern democracy and I support that.

In the UK, we have no correlation between tribe and land.

The words ‘free Palestine’ are empty and meaningless because they suggest no practical demands, which might actually bring about peace.

I believe there is a mass hysteria happening. It’s completely absurd that people are supporting terrorism.

ScribblingPixie · 22/10/2023 16:00

I also know if I were Jewish right now I’d be terrified

I literally heard a couple saying goodbye to a shopkeeper when I was out today as they'd decided to leave London immediately. Just awful.

RudsyFarmer · 22/10/2023 15:53

I also know if I were Jewish right now I’d be terrified and I’m so sad it’s come to this.

WarmWinterSun · 22/10/2023 15:48

OP, Israel has proposed a two state solution multiple times. Hamas has rejected it. What do people mean when they say ‘free Palestine’ given that historical context?

Hamas also believes in the eradication of Israel (beyond those living in Gaza). Hamas has now invaded Israel to murder, rape and kidnap innocent Israeli civilians.

I stand with Israel’s right to peace, to protect its citizens and its right to exist as a functioning democracy.

soddingspiderseason · 22/10/2023 15:48

sprinklesprinkle · 22/10/2023 15:42

I believe the Jews have a right to a nation

What about a Palestinian's right to a nation? Where should they go?

The Palestinian authorities have chosen not to take part in peace talks to establish a 2 state solution because their basic starting point is the destruction of Israel. That's in Hamas's charter. I stand with Israel and am not Jewish because I believe Israel has an absolute right to exist - as does Palestine - but only one side of this has Jihadi terrorists in charge.

Loulou599 · 22/10/2023 15:45

@sprinklesprinkle
The Palestinians have a nation and it has not been under existential threat from terrorism

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 22/10/2023 15:44

I'll just repeat what I said on another thread: My heart is with the Israeli peoples who just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace in a tiny area of the world, and it is also with the innocent Arab peoples who are being forced to live with the consequences of being ruled by Hamas.

RudsyFarmer · 22/10/2023 15:44

I listened to a podcast yesterday which talked of the distinction between Israel wanting a protected state and preparing to fight for it and Hamas wanting eradication of all Jews in the area. So it’s not a case of Palestinians wanting peace, its much more than that.

SomeCatFromJapan · 22/10/2023 15:44

What about a Palestinian's right to a nation? Where should they go?

They have the right to a nation too, hence the need to successfully implement a two state solution, as hopeless as that currently looks.

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sprinklesprinkle · 22/10/2023 15:42

I believe the Jews have a right to a nation

What about a Palestinian's right to a nation? Where should they go?

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Atmytethersend · 22/10/2023 15:41

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:40

For many people Free Palestine means the destruction of Israel

Exactly this

bellac11 · 22/10/2023 15:40

Free Palestine is about land, acquisition or land being given back (delete according to belief)

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:40

For many people Free Palestine means the destruction of Israel

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sprinklesprinkle · 22/10/2023 15:39

That most certainly is not what everyone using the phrase means. Don't you know that?

No I don't. From what I have been told and seen online that is what I understood it to have meant. What does it actually mean then?

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