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How will Gaza be rebuilt??

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catskittens · 21/10/2023 20:41

hi,i have been wondering this for the last week especially when you see the pictures of complete blitzing of buildings and amenities.Im no expert but im guessing more buildings etc in the coming weeks will be destroyed just how will Gaza be rebuilt how can they afford it.

Gaza is very poor i think,could it be a way to get better facilities and have control over their own utilities etc rather than Israel deciding or will Israel move in and take it for their own people,what happens to the palestinian's ??

Like i said i dont have a great knowledge but every time i see the buildings bombed i wonder

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Shouldimove · 25/10/2023 08:54

I don't think it will be rebuilt for the Gazans unfortunately.

Israel want to expel all Gazans from Gaza. Simples. Israel do not care about Palestinians, not in Gaza, not in the west bank and not in Israel.

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 21:20

Here you are @ACGTHelix

Biden held a call on Sunday with the leaders of Canada, France, Britain, Germany and Italy to discuss the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas, the White House said.

Earlier in the day, the US president held a call with the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Israel | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel

SD1978 · 22/10/2023 21:20

It won't. It will be destroyed, the Palestinians displaced, and will be taken over. The Israelis will take the land, and the Palestinian nation will become refugees, somewhere. And with very little condemnation it will be allowed to happen....

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 21:09

ACGTHelix · 22/10/2023 21:04

any information as to the deal achieved for this ?

IDK US Administration putting pressure on Israel to negotiate for hostages and relieve the humanitarian crisis - and delay the ground invasion?

CNN

ACGTHelix · 22/10/2023 21:04

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 17:57

Second convoy of aid going into Gaza now

any information as to the deal achieved for this ?

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 17:57

Second convoy of aid going into Gaza now

25milesfromhome · 22/10/2023 15:47

SomeCatFromJapan · 22/10/2023 14:51

Would it be unrealistic to hope that once there is a ceasefire, the territory is put under some sort of neutral control, possibly shared, not including Israel, and that a lot of aid is then put in to rebuild infrastructure? With a longer-term goal of democratic elections, properly monitored?

I don’t think it’s entirely unrealistic and I really hope some version of this will happen. Billions in aid, an opportunity for the Palestinians to exercise their autonomy in Gaza with the support of nations that have advocated for them and the opportunity to rebuild and redevelop, free of Israeli control and interference.

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 15:43

SomeCatFromJapan · 22/10/2023 15:23

@saffronsoup I'm not minimising the already tragically high death toll but it's very far indeed from being all Gazans.

You know 100s of thousands of lives in Gaza are hanging by a thread after 14 days without aid?

This not the bombing will increase deaths exponentially if not properly addressed very soon

SomeCatFromJapan · 22/10/2023 15:23

@saffronsoup I'm not minimising the already tragically high death toll but it's very far indeed from being all Gazans.

saffronsoup · 22/10/2023 15:12

What is there to rebuild? There will be few people left at the end of this. I am pretty sure Israel's goal is to end Palestine once and for all - they wont' allow rebuilding or the entry of construction supplies or aid. The only way to end Hamas to many is to snuff out all Palestinian lives as many see Palestinian children as the next Hamas recruits. Obliterating the entirety of the Gaza strip and all who lived in it seems to be the only path Israel sees as a path for peace for Israel. Israel will easily conquer and demolist Gaza. The wildcard right now is Iran.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2023 15:10

SomeCatFromJapan · 22/10/2023 14:51

Would it be unrealistic to hope that once there is a ceasefire, the territory is put under some sort of neutral control, possibly shared, not including Israel, and that a lot of aid is then put in to rebuild infrastructure? With a longer-term goal of democratic elections, properly monitored?

This is what I’m wondering. What does the end aim look like?

Israel withdraws completely as stated, and aid rebuilds

Toothyfruity · 22/10/2023 14:57

"the Israeli political objective cant be anything other than what you've described given what happened."

You said that, not me.

bellac11 · 22/10/2023 14:52

Toothyfruity · 22/10/2023 14:48

Really?

It can't be anything but the complete annihilation of Gaza, its buildings and people? Because that's what is happening.

You're justifying war crimes and genocide.

Here we go again, apparently now Im 'justifying war crimes and genocide'

Im simply setting out that Israel wont tolerate the ground being left in Palestinian hands as a political objective, thats what Israel will do, it doesnt matter if you agree or disagree with it, thats what will happen for the exact reasons the poster set out.

Its not justifying anything to make that political observation of what the trajectory will be or how Israel will see that.

But please carry on putting words into others mouths.

SomeCatFromJapan · 22/10/2023 14:51

Would it be unrealistic to hope that once there is a ceasefire, the territory is put under some sort of neutral control, possibly shared, not including Israel, and that a lot of aid is then put in to rebuild infrastructure? With a longer-term goal of democratic elections, properly monitored?

Toothyfruity · 22/10/2023 14:48

bellac11 · 22/10/2023 14:45

Seems rather ironic to me that Hamas will achieve what it seems to expressly be fighting against, the complete loss of Gaza to Israel. All caused by its own hand, because I agree with you, the Israeli political objective cant be anything other than what you've described given what happened.

Really?

It can't be anything but the complete annihilation of Gaza, its buildings and people? Because that's what is happening.

You're justifying war crimes and genocide.

bellac11 · 22/10/2023 14:45

Lelophants · 22/10/2023 07:44

Hamas won’t be defeated until everyone living there is obliterated or escape. They will need to then take over the land because otherwise it’ll be a ground for new terrorists (because anyone who tries to rebuild it will obviously hate Israel).

Seems rather ironic to me that Hamas will achieve what it seems to expressly be fighting against, the complete loss of Gaza to Israel. All caused by its own hand, because I agree with you, the Israeli political objective cant be anything other than what you've described given what happened.

bellac11 · 22/10/2023 14:41

Huwipulotu · 21/10/2023 21:32

I absolutely hate how there is no recognition from the Israeli government and their supporters that children who have grown up in the conditions in Gaza are going to grow up as traumatised individuals with PTSD and they will be hell bent on revenge as the have NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING.

when you have nothing to lose, when you lose all hope then you are going to make different decisions.

Ive mentioned this on threads, environments like this breed terrorists and people that want to fight.

I dont know why it seems difficult for people to understand both that Israel created this environment but also that the Palestinians if not openly support Hamas, believe in Hamas's aims as well, its what they will have been brought up with. Even if only 50% of the population believe in the offensive and the methods Hamas employ, thats enough to prevent Hamas being removed.

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 14:39

#Gaza emergency update on 22/10:

  • More than 4,385 people killed and 13,561 injured
  • 164,756 housing units damaged, 42% of all homes in Gaza
  • 1.4 million people displaced from their homes
  • 60% of clinics and 20% of hospitals not functioning

MAP

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 14:35

Toothyfruity · 22/10/2023 14:31

Oh my God where did you see that?! That's absolutely shocking 😲

Medical Aid for Palestinians on twitter posted about 4 hours ago

Sad
Toothyfruity · 22/10/2023 14:31

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 14:29

42% of homes in Gaza destroyed

Oh my God where did you see that?! That's absolutely shocking 😲

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 14:29

42% of homes in Gaza destroyed

EasternStandard · 22/10/2023 13:03

Good to see mnhq deleting some posts

Israel have stated that they intend to have no further responsibility for Gaza. They won't be annexing it, they won't in future supply its electricity and other needs.

@SomeCatFromJapan if there is no further responsibility or connection to Gaza is this also an aim for Gaza? To sever all ties

feralunderclass · 22/10/2023 09:46

thinkfast · 22/10/2023 02:03

What a fucking disgusting thing to say. "Rubbing their hands in glee" after a devastating terrorist attacker. Wtf.

As a government I don't think they'll care much in terms of the greater 'good'. The cost/benefit will be worth it.

Efacsen · 22/10/2023 09:12

There were satellite photos online yesterday of an area in northern Gaza that had previously been a heavily populated 'suburb' - there was absolutely nothing left standing just acres and acres of rubble

Looked ripe for siting a tent city for internally displaced people

And presumably that will be the fate of large parts of Gaza - acres and acres of refugee tent cities administered by the UN most likely to remain for decades

Lelophants · 22/10/2023 08:43

TheWayTheLightFalls · 22/10/2023 07:56

I don’t think there’s much point @SomeCatFromJapan - this isn’t the sort of thread where reputable links and reasoned conversation will find a happy home.

Everyone else - I heard first hand from my rabbi’s sister that Israel plans to build a sacrificial altar on the Gaza strip, so that it’s got a good supply of children’s blood to drink for the next millennia. Happy now?

Most of us aren’t that ridiculous.