What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

The poster you are defending stated that her “side” had better weapons and wasn’t afraid to use them and that my side was going to suffer more. I think it’s fairly clear what they are synonymous with.

It was in context within a discussion about a possible armed conflict with Hezbollah, and in response to what you had said.

@Desertrose2023, what @SomeCatFromJapan quoted was your comments to @Meshigenus who didn't say what you just accused them of.

Another thing you should apologise for.

That’s a pretty personal attack in my view and unnecessary threatening.

The poster you are defending stated that her “side” had better weapons and wasn’t afraid to use them and that my side was going to suffer more. I think it’s fairly clear what they are synonymous with.

You Really should apologise to @Meshigenus for that, @Desertrose2023.

Uncalled for.

Please don’t use personal attacks. Meshigenus has been great to discuss different viewpoints with. If you can’t discuss civilly, please leave the thread.

Ah ok, so in exchange you ethnically cleansed back? You’ve also upped the stakes with the apartheid and current genocide, I’ve got to hand it you. Bravo

Who is the "you" here? We keep being told, correctly, that Palestinians/Gazans are not synonymous with Hamas so why are you doing that in reverse?
Your personal attacks are actually quite disturbing, however I won't report them as I think it's good that people see what's being said.

Take a look at the water occupation thread. Due to a 1967 military order, Israel controls all water sources in the Palestinian Occupied Territories, so West Bank isn’t even allowed to control its own water. Which is why much of it is being redirected to Israeli settlements at the expense of Palestinian villages.

Ah ok, so in exchange you ethnically cleansed back? You’ve also upped the stakes with the apartheid and current genocide, I’ve got to hand it you. Bravo 👏🏼

There is a thread on this that starts with the Amnesty International’s report on Israel’s Water Occupation.

Umm, excuse me? Kinda rude.

No, you see I'm not from Hebron. My grandparents were. They were ethnically cleansed from the city in 1929. By Arabs.

Ok, none of this shows that “Until 1948, the word "Palestinian" applied exclusively to the Jewish inhabitants of the area”

All these show is that the Jewish people in the area were referred to as Palestinians. It doesn’t show exclusion of people who were also in the area but were Christians, Muslims, and other religions from being referred to as Palestinians.

One newspaper, one orchestra and one company that is all you have linked. The newspaper- the Palestine Post was referring to a region, the mandate, not Jewish people as its readers were mostly British soldiers and German immigrants according to Wiki.

No it’s just a threat exposing your true nature and that of “your side”. the side of apartheid and genocide.

Ah so you’re from Hebron? The crazy totally makes sense now.

@Meshigenus has consistently posted in a measured, knowledgeable and compassionate manner.

I know there were agreements in Oslo around water. I'm sure that in future negotiations it'd be reopened given how the situation has changed. There are more issues around drilling an aquifer than just extraction of water but I'm far from an expert

In terms of terminology: Until 1948, the word "Palestinian" applied exclusively to the Jewish inhabitants of the area

That doesn’t make any sense. Why would Palestinian only apply to the Jews living in the area known as Palestine?

You know that was part of the Oslo.accords? A passage between gaza and the west bank across Israel.
Seems like a pipe dream now

But yes, thankfully water is not the issue it used to be in the region.

In fact, if Israel does not need to control west bank water, as it has plenty, it should be no problem to hand control of it back to the west bank.

@Meshigenus Interesting you say it's changed a lot. Thank you for your view. I think, for a future viable Palestinian state, Gaza does need to be connected to the west bank anyway, and it needs to have full control of its natural resources. I would say that competition for resources, such as water, is a huge factor in ongoing conflict and perhaps one of the simplest things to resolve.

Links
(please note “Arab” is used to refer to Palestinians)
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israelis-and-palestinians-are-both-indigenous-and-why-that-matters/

https://www.science.org/content/article/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry
“Intrigued by the genetic similarities between the two populations, geneticist Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who collaborated on the earlier study, focused on Arab and Jewish men. Her team examined the Y chromosomes of 119 Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews and 143 Israeli and Palestinian Arabs. Many of the Jewish subjects were descended from ancestors who presumably originated in the Levant but dispersed throughout the world before returning to Israel in the past few generations; most of the Arab subjects could trace their ancestry to men who had lived in the region for centuries or longer. The Y chromosomes of many of the men had key segments of DNA that were so similar that they clustered into just three of many groups known as haplogroups. Other short segments of DNA called microsatellites were similar enough to reveal that the men must have had common ancestors within the past several thousand years. The study, reported here at a Human Origins and Disease conference, will appear in an upcoming issue of Human Genetics.”

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2020/05/dna-from-the-bibles-canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-arabs-and-jews
”The researchers also compared the ancient DNA with that of modern populations and found that most Arab and Jewish groups in the region owe more than half of their DNA to Canaanites and other peoples who inhabited the ancient Near East—an area encompassing much of the modern Levant, Caucasus, and Iran.”

So did my grandparents imagine being ethnically cleansed from Hebron in 1929? Narrowly missing being massacred like their neighbours.
They obviously missed the memo that they were loved 😍

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerusalem_Post

The Jerusalem Post is a broadsheet newspaper based in Jerusalem, founded in 1932 during the British Mandate of Palestine by Gershon Agron as The Palestine Post. In 1950, it changed its name to The Jerusalem Post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Philharmonic_Orchestra

The Israel Philharmonic Orchestra was founded as the Palestine Symphony Orchestra by violinist Bronisław Huberman in 1936, at a time of the dismissal of many Jewish musicians from European orchestras.[1] Its inaugural concert took place in Tel Aviv on December 26, 1936, conducted by Arturo Toscanini. Its first principal conductor was William Steinberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Electric_Corporation

In 1923, Rutenberg founded the Palestine Electric Corporation, Limited[5] which was granted the "Jordan Concession". Rutenberg merged Jaffa Electric Company into that company, which in 1961 was renamed the Israel Electric Corporation Ltd.

My mother's step-father was a Palestinian; a Jew who was born in and lived in Tel Aviv.

You'll not find any contemporaneous documents referring to the Palestinian People (referring to the Arabs). Not until the 1960's.

As Golda Meir put it (interview, 1970, Thames TV)

"Golda Meir: "When were Palestinians born? What was all of this area before the First World War when Britain got the Mandate over Palestine? What was Palestine, then? Palestine was then the area between the Mediterranean and the Iraqian border. East and West Bank was Palestine. I am a Palestinian, from 1921 and 1948, I carried a Palestinian passport. There was no such thing in this area as Jews, and Arabs, and Palestinians, There were Jews and Arabs.

Interviewer: "You deny that there was a Palestine Arab people before, but there is now a Palestine liberation movement, and the history of liberation movements are that they grow, won't this one grow and become in the end in fact your biggest enemy?"

Golda Meir: "I don't say there are no Palestinians, but I say there is no such thing as a distinct Palestinian people."[3]

Its changed a lot. Most of israels water is from desalination and reclaimed sewage (for agriculture). In fact, Israel has a surplus of water due to advances in technology. It can and does supply gaza with as much water as it needs. Until gaza decided to commit a massacre and take hostages

For the wb to supply water to gaza (not that they've actually offered- its not like the PA is crying over hamas), they'd have to cross Israel. Not exactly a popular proposition right now.