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What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 15:49

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

Israeli defence minister reveals plans for 'three-phase war' in Gaza

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant told Israeli lawmakers that the IDF expects to start its three-phase war with airstrikes and ground maneuvers, before defeating Hamas pockets of resistance

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

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mushti · 22/10/2023 01:44

If Hamas surrenders, returns hostages, disbands and hands all its arms and personnel over to Israel, then I'm sure there will be a ceasefire right away.

Until then - there will be no ceasefire.

Astonymission · 22/10/2023 01:44

mushti · 22/10/2023 01:38

Because there's no law that says you have to provide fuel to your enemy.

From what I understood Israel retained control of Gaza water and energy despite attempts by Palestinians to take control of it
over the years. They are now deliberately cutting off energy and water. So yes I believe this must be against international law for them to do this and even if it’s not it’s still extremely inhumane.

squidnames · 22/10/2023 01:42

ketchup07070 · 22/10/2023 01:38

Israel-Hamas war live: aid trucks enter Gaza but UN warns action needed to end ‘godawful nightmare’ (theguardian.com)

It's on guardian live, about 5 entries down. Sorry, not sure how to show you specific entry.

This is so terribly sad. :( There has to be ceasefire :(

mushti · 22/10/2023 01:38

ketchup07070 · 22/10/2023 01:32

130 premature babies are about to die, because of Israel's siege. Without fuel the incubators will fail. I can not understand how anyone can think this is OK. Or how it is not in breach of international humanitarian law. What is wrong with people who say 'meh...who cares.' ?

Because there's no law that says you have to provide fuel to your enemy.

squidnames · 22/10/2023 01:35

ketchup07070 · 22/10/2023 01:32

130 premature babies are about to die, because of Israel's siege. Without fuel the incubators will fail. I can not understand how anyone can think this is OK. Or how it is not in breach of international humanitarian law. What is wrong with people who say 'meh...who cares.' ?

:( This is very sad. Could you post link to article pls? Not doubting you at all, but am keen to read.

ketchup07070 · 22/10/2023 01:32

130 premature babies are about to die, because of Israel's siege. Without fuel the incubators will fail. I can not understand how anyone can think this is OK. Or how it is not in breach of international humanitarian law. What is wrong with people who say 'meh...who cares.' ?

mushti · 22/10/2023 01:21

Astonymission · 22/10/2023 01:17

Just the beginning? This is chilling. They need to stop breaching international law.

Yes it is chilling. It's also true.

I've taken the time to read the 4th Geneva convention. I don't think Israel is in breach of it.

Astonymission · 22/10/2023 01:18

Desertrose2023 · 21/10/2023 18:14

There are Jews marching for Palestinian rights right now because they don’t believe the actions of Israel are synonymous with the teachings of the Jewish religion.

What you and others with your mentality will never understand is that your approach of bombing the crap out of people, denying them basic rights and keeping them caged buys you temporary security but you will never have peace. You will always be a society looking over your shoulder in fear at the bogeyman you keep caged. It means you continue to create generations of people who wish you harm because everyone has a story about a trauma that you inflicted on them. It means you will always be a society with bunkers and air raid sirens and mandatory military service and check points. You’ll always be a country living in fear and hoping that one day uncle Sam’s protection doesn’t expire.

This.

Astonymission · 22/10/2023 01:17

mushti · 22/10/2023 00:13

No. This time Israel has 350,000 well-trained and armed soldiers ready on the Gaza border. For comparison, the entire British Army is only about 100,000.

The present airstrikes are just the beginning.

Just the beginning? This is chilling. They need to stop breaching international law.

mushti · 22/10/2023 00:13

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 22:19

Hamas dare to attack Israel because they didn't understand how bad the consequences would be. They won't again

Didn’t all this happen before in 2014?

No. This time Israel has 350,000 well-trained and armed soldiers ready on the Gaza border. For comparison, the entire British Army is only about 100,000.

The present airstrikes are just the beginning.

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 22:19

Hamas dare to attack Israel because they didn't understand how bad the consequences would be. They won't again

Didn’t all this happen before in 2014?

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 21:53

Quite honestly, I don't see it as provocative in the slightest. It's factual. Understanding facts seems to be a prerequisite to finding solutions to the problems we have

I understand that Israel had an army you wouldn’t want to mess with and yet the answer to its problems still eludes me…

Let might make right?

ChickHenLittle · 21/10/2023 21:31

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 21:15

Oh yes. The march in London was amazing today
A huge huge turnout from people of all faiths and all walks of life, jewish faith included. There has been huge protests all over England and nationally.
The leaders all have ulterior motives. Even those who ally with Israel all have their own personal agendas on how they can benefit from it. The innocent civilians are the pawns in the game who pay the price

I wish I could still go, it's been years since I went to one.
That's good to hear, news reports were positive too. 🙂
There are definitely ulterior motives involved, I feel like even Rishi Sunak could tell what's happening is wrong on many levels, but he'd never say it in an official capacity. There will definitely be more civilians harmed and killed the longer it goes on, both Israeli and Palestinian, sadly they seem to be accepted as collateral damage now.

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 21:15

ChickHenLittle · 21/10/2023 21:10

Ignoring the goadiness, I see there were many well-attended matches in support of Palestine throughout the UK and Ireland today - London is reported to have had over 100,000 attendees. The media is also highlighting the injustice in Gaza more and more and condemning the siege. Most world leaders won't take a stand, but maybe such public shows of support for Gaza and opposition to the way they are being treated will have an effect.

Oh yes. The march in London was amazing today
A huge huge turnout from people of all faiths and all walks of life, jewish faith included. There has been huge protests all over England and nationally.
The leaders all have ulterior motives. Even those who ally with Israel all have their own personal agendas on how they can benefit from it. The innocent civilians are the pawns in the game who pay the price

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 21:11

mushti · 21/10/2023 21:04

I do remember that. The best way to protect innocents is to have a very big army, and for the other side to know that you're not scared to use it.

Hamas dare to attack Israel because they didn't understand how bad the consequences would be. They won't again.

OK I see you are very upset so I won't argue or try to reason with you

ChickHenLittle · 21/10/2023 21:10

Ignoring the goadiness, I see there were many well-attended matches in support of Palestine throughout the UK and Ireland today - London is reported to have had over 100,000 attendees. The media is also highlighting the injustice in Gaza more and more and condemning the siege. Most world leaders won't take a stand, but maybe such public shows of support for Gaza and opposition to the way they are being treated will have an effect.

mushti · 21/10/2023 21:04

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 21:01

@mushti you must remember there are innocent people including children caught up on both sides

I do remember that. The best way to protect innocents is to have a very big army, and for the other side to know that you're not scared to use it.

Hamas dare to attack Israel because they didn't understand how bad the consequences would be. They won't again.

mushti · 21/10/2023 21:03

squidnames · 21/10/2023 20:59

@mushti you might be a troll, as you sound like an advocate of war. Your views scare me. I was going to report your post but probably best to leave it here for all to see.

You can report my posts if you like; I see some have already been removed. However - I've not insulted anyone, I've responded politely to intelligent comments, stating my opinion clearly and concisely, and backed them up with sourced facts, where appropriate.

It's amusing to be cancelled on this site - of all sites - for expressing an opinion.

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 21:01

@mushti you must remember there are innocent people including children caught up on both sides

squidnames · 21/10/2023 20:59

@mushti you might be a troll, as you sound like an advocate of war. Your views scare me. I was going to report your post but probably best to leave it here for all to see.

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 20:59

mushti · 21/10/2023 20:57

Some people on this thread are very much against Israel. That's ok. Israel is very much wining, as painful as it may be for the Palestinians.

I think you are conflating being against the Israeli government with ordinary Israeli citizens
And being pro Palestinian with supporting Hamas
I know you are hurting by what has happened especially if you live in Israel but others are in pain too

mushti · 21/10/2023 20:57

squidnames · 21/10/2023 20:56

@mushti There are children dying on both sides, your comments on the big guns is tone deaf and appalling. People on this thread aren't against Israel, they're against war. There needs to be some sort of resolution otherwise more people will die - on both sides. No one's winning right now, big guns or not.

Some people on this thread are very much against Israel. That's ok. Israel is very much wining, as painful as it may be for the Palestinians.

squidnames · 21/10/2023 20:56

@mushti There are children dying on both sides, your comments on the big guns is tone deaf and appalling. People on this thread aren't against Israel, they're against war. There needs to be some sort of resolution otherwise more people will die - on both sides. No one's winning right now, big guns or not.

mushti · 21/10/2023 20:54

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 20:50

Also it's actually incorrect. If the arab nations aswell as other Muslim states in the middle east put their weapons together, it would by far out do Israel.
But what would that achieve? It would be disastrous and I'm sure nobody here wants that
We need to find a solution for peace

They tried, in 1948, and in 1967, and in 1973. Israel also has thermonuclear weapons now.

Amongst all the hand-wringing and whataboutery on this thread, there's a huge lack of realism.