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What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 15:49

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

Israeli defence minister reveals plans for 'three-phase war' in Gaza

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant told Israeli lawmakers that the IDF expects to start its three-phase war with airstrikes and ground maneuvers, before defeating Hamas pockets of resistance

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

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WhiteHorseSpirit · 20/10/2023 20:34

PurpleChrayne · 20/10/2023 16:26

Why would Israel "help" when Hamas have slaughtered and kidnapped 1,400+ people? Did you ask America to "help" Al Qaeda in the aftermath of 9/11?

America did help Afghanistan though. For twenty years the US rebuilt Afghanistan, spending billions on infrastructure, education, health, women’s rights, industry and so on. It eventually got unaffordable and when they left, the Taliban took over.

WhiteHorseSpirit · 20/10/2023 20:31

PurpleChrayne · 20/10/2023 16:24

Israel handed Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005.

No they did not.

ketchup07070 · 20/10/2023 20:27

For anyone concerned about civilians in Gaza, there are several petitions on Petitions-UK Gov. and Parliament. They are requesting different things, such as urging the allowance of humanitarian aid and calling for a ceasefire, so you can see which ones you agree with. Please do have a look, if you haven't already, as every bit of pressure on our politicians helps to get that aid a bit closer.

Surplus2requirements · 20/10/2023 18:10

usererror99 · 20/10/2023 17:00

I'd imagine it means that where currently Gaza gets a certain amount of power from Israel this will stop. Where as previously aid, medicine, water food etc was able to cross between Gaza and Israel this will be stopped. If Gaza wants or needs anything they will have to get it via the border with Egypt. Israel will effectively seal its border with Gaza and leave them to it to be self sufficient and govern themselves. Can hardly blame them really

Does it also mean the Israeli administration will also stop controlling (preventing) new wells and infrastructure materials imported into Gaza (including what Egypt allows in)?

PinkTonic · 20/10/2023 17:56

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/10/2023 17:50

They are openly saying that.

I think it was yesterday Netanyahu was out rallying the troops telling them to kill everyone and make sure no one was left.

Can you provide a source for that please?

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/10/2023 17:55

For whoever it is quoting the 1400 Israeli’s that have been killed, if it’s about an eye for an eye it’s kind of gone beyond that. Its at least 4000 killed in Gaza, goodness knows how many injured, not to mention the women that have miscarried due to shock/fear of the bombing, and the children who will never get over this.

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/10/2023 17:50

fearfuloffluff · 20/10/2023 15:55

I think it means 'we will kill them probably'

They are openly saying that.

I think it was yesterday Netanyahu was out rallying the troops telling them to kill everyone and make sure no one was left.

GrumpyPanda · 20/10/2023 17:47

sprigatito · 20/10/2023 17:02

It means the Israeli government isn't even bothering to pay lip service to international law any more. Why should they? They've been told that Western support is unconditional, so this is their big chance to clear all those inconvenient brown people out of the way once and for all.

You are aware the Israeli population is majority Sephardic/Mizrahi? Hence - in your lovely parlance - "brown people" themselves.

Noicant · 20/10/2023 17:41

usererror99 · 20/10/2023 17:00

I'd imagine it means that where currently Gaza gets a certain amount of power from Israel this will stop. Where as previously aid, medicine, water food etc was able to cross between Gaza and Israel this will be stopped. If Gaza wants or needs anything they will have to get it via the border with Egypt. Israel will effectively seal its border with Gaza and leave them to it to be self sufficient and govern themselves. Can hardly blame them really

That was my thinking on it too. Basically they will try to get whatever results they are looking for with Hamas and then seal the border. Tbf this may be the best option for both Gaza and Israel in the long run. Not interfering with each other at all. But it absolutely kills the 2 state solution dead. Israel never really wanted to occupy Gaza and they don’t want to now either. I think they want to forget it exists. But the Gazans have to be given territorial waters, no more blockade except the land border with Israel.

Gaza does have a desalination plant (which requires fuel) which the EU helped to build, maybe with some aid a few more can be built after this is over. The rebuild will be insanely expensive and long but I imagine significant funds will be made available by various governments to help make it happen.

Nonplusultra · 20/10/2023 17:11

flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 16:04

😢 I was worried that this is what it meant. Wtaf is happening? Why can't the UN intervene? I feel sick

Because Britain and Russia are voting against peace and the US vetoing.

It’s obvious how Putin benefits from the distraction of a war elsewhere but how to Britain and the US benefit.?

It’s a weird world when China sounds like the grown up in the room.

sprigatito · 20/10/2023 17:02

It means the Israeli government isn't even bothering to pay lip service to international law any more. Why should they? They've been told that Western support is unconditional, so this is their big chance to clear all those inconvenient brown people out of the way once and for all.

usererror99 · 20/10/2023 17:00

I'd imagine it means that where currently Gaza gets a certain amount of power from Israel this will stop. Where as previously aid, medicine, water food etc was able to cross between Gaza and Israel this will be stopped. If Gaza wants or needs anything they will have to get it via the border with Egypt. Israel will effectively seal its border with Gaza and leave them to it to be self sufficient and govern themselves. Can hardly blame them really

FOJN · 20/10/2023 16:49

PurpleChrayne · 20/10/2023 16:26

Why would Israel "help" when Hamas have slaughtered and kidnapped 1,400+ people? Did you ask America to "help" Al Qaeda in the aftermath of 9/11?

Does that mean you make no distinction between civilians and the terrorist "government" who have denied them elections for 17 years?

No one asked the US to help Al Qaeda but there has been little public support for wars in the middle east in the last 20 years. Prior to invading Afghanistan there was lots of discussion about the impact on a civilian population who were enduring a famine at the time we sent troops in.

Look how well that turned out for Afghanistan. And we still haven't won the war on terror.

megletthesecond · 20/10/2023 16:35

That (mostly innocent) people will die but it won't be their problem. There's nasty violent men on both sides of this.

crumblingschools · 20/10/2023 16:34

@PurpleChrayne don't Israel pretty much treat Gaza as a prison at the best of times, now they are not going to let them have food, water and electricity

RudsyFarmer · 20/10/2023 16:31

It’s just so complicated and these governments like to complicate things further so the truth never really gets out.

piscofrisco · 20/10/2023 16:29

No @PurpleChrayne but America weren't actively bombing and starving 2.5 million people to death in the aftermath of 9/11 were they?

flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 16:28

PurpleChrayne · 20/10/2023 16:26

Why would Israel "help" when Hamas have slaughtered and kidnapped 1,400+ people? Did you ask America to "help" Al Qaeda in the aftermath of 9/11?

These are civilians. Babies, children, the elderly.

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PurpleChrayne · 20/10/2023 16:26

IncompleteSenten · 20/10/2023 16:10

It means forget getting any water from us (them. Israel), you can all die of thirst if you can't find water somewhere else and we won't help.

What can other countries do? Send water I suppose. There's not much other countries can do to force Israel to continue to provide water if they don't want to.

The whole situation is horrendous and it's going to get worse. It's scary.

Why would Israel "help" when Hamas have slaughtered and kidnapped 1,400+ people? Did you ask America to "help" Al Qaeda in the aftermath of 9/11?

PurpleChrayne · 20/10/2023 16:24

MissyB1 · 20/10/2023 16:09

At first (optimistically) I hoped it meant Israel would hand the Gaza Strip back to the Palestinians and say “it’s entirely yours we will never seek to control anything to do with Gaza again “.

But actually I fear it just means “we will make sure you are all truly fucked”.

Israel handed Gaza over to the Palestinians in 2005.

ChickHenLittle · 20/10/2023 16:22

RudsyFarmer · 20/10/2023 16:15

I thought Egypt was reassessing their stance and allowing access?

Latest reports say it isn't Egypt blocking aid, they can't get agreement from the Israeli government for more than 20 trucks. An Egyptian minister has said they're angry at the misrepresentation that Egypt are the ones blocking aid.
I don't know exactly who is behind it, but you'd think whoever is blocking it would just agree and put conflict on the back burner for a moment.

flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 16:21

RudsyFarmer · 20/10/2023 16:15

I thought Egypt was reassessing their stance and allowing access?

I don't think Israel are allowing them to. There's still ongoing negotiations.

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piscofrisco · 20/10/2023 16:20

It means they are going to indiscriminately kill civilians with the stated aim of 'killing Hamas operatives', who will no doubt either by now have fucked off to some safer area somewhere anyway or are down in the tunnels sheltering-In which case it's unclear to me
Why Israel don't just try and extract them rather than bomb everything and everyone else to the ground. It's not as if Hamas are going to be bravely out in the streets fighting for their citizens. They don't give a fuck do they-being terrorists. They will be as safe as it's possible to be be in Gaza right now.

RudsyFarmer · 20/10/2023 16:15

I thought Egypt was reassessing their stance and allowing access?

flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 16:13

So can the international community access them to provide aid? This is horrific

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