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What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 15:49

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

Israeli defence minister reveals plans for 'three-phase war' in Gaza

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant told Israeli lawmakers that the IDF expects to start its three-phase war with airstrikes and ground maneuvers, before defeating Hamas pockets of resistance

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

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TopicalNameChange · 20/10/2023 23:43

Either @flufferknutter is being vaguely philosophical (and in a kinda bullshitty way cuz, it doesn't) or she is referring to something specific.

I think she is referring to the IDF's response to the Hamas terrorism as being both somehow equal and opposite. Summat like that

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 23:43

SomeCatFromJapan · 20/10/2023 23:39

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Are you referring to anything specific?

You don't know your physics?

It's a basic law of the Universe.

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SomeCatFromJapan · 20/10/2023 23:39

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Are you referring to anything specific?

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TopicalNameChange · 20/10/2023 23:36

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction

What do you mean by that @flufferknutter

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 23:34

The Palestinians have been subjugated, controlled, imprisoned, brutalised, bombed and had their land and homes stolen since 1948.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

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Gruntsandgroans · 20/10/2023 23:32

mushti · 20/10/2023 23:27

You’ll do.

how has the strategy the Palestinians have employed over the last 75 years worked out? Is it going the way they hoped?

Things have worked out quite well for Israel so far.

do you think if, in 1948, the Palestinian leadership, if there was such a thing then, knew how things would turn out they’d pursue the same path and make the same decisions?

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The occupiers do tend to fair better than the occupied.

mushti · 20/10/2023 23:27

flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 23:19

Indeed. They do keep trying to push this idiotic narrative. It's getting so tedious.

Again, for the hard of thinking. Some people have a moral compass and actually care about civilians being bombed and killed. This doesn't mean they support Hamas or any other terrorist organisation.

Is that simple enough for them?

Possibly not.....

Let's try again.

Hamas = the baddies

Civilians = the victims

Anything simpler would basically be drawings in crayon 🙄

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You’ll do.

how has the strategy the Palestinians have employed over the last 75 years worked out? Is it going the way they hoped?

Things have worked out quite well for Israel so far.

do you think if, in 1948, the Palestinian leadership, if there was such a thing then, knew how things would turn out they’d pursue the same path and make the same decisions?

Gruntsandgroans · 20/10/2023 23:24

feralunderclass · 20/10/2023 23:12

@flufferknutter Israel haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the UN, so it would be pointless anyway.

This is it really. Israel do what they want to do to Gaza and to people in the West Bank. If they get caught out or feel that they've gone a bit too far they lie about, let the heat die down a bit then maybe admit it.

For some reason there is a real reluctance from countries with any actual power to call them out. Eg Sunak saying he knew Israel were taking every precaution avoid harming civilians when Israel themselves have said 'the emphasis is on damage, not accuracy'. Or Biden blindly believe evidence Israel, known liars, present. Ursula Van der Whatsit saying the EU stands with Israel when they are committing crimes against humanity.

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 23:19

MissyB1 · 20/10/2023 21:55

What Hamas supporters are you talking about?? Who specifically on this thread?? Or are you another idiot that insists anyone sympathetic to Palestinian civilians is a Hamas supporter?

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Indeed. They do keep trying to push this idiotic narrative. It's getting so tedious.

Again, for the hard of thinking. Some people have a moral compass and actually care about civilians being bombed and killed. This doesn't mean they support Hamas or any other terrorist organisation.

Is that simple enough for them?

Possibly not.....

Let's try again.

Hamas = the baddies

Civilians = the victims

Anything simpler would basically be drawings in crayon 🙄

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DownNative · 20/10/2023 23:12

SomeCatFromJapan · 20/10/2023 22:18

Or perhaps Oct 7 was a consequence of 17yrs of apartheid? As in if they hadn’t have done all that, driving millions into desperation, would Oct 7 have happened?

I think that the blockade of Gaza was both probably necessary for Israeli security, AND utterly shit for the average Gazan. Both things can be true.

I don't think there is any excuse at all for what occured on 7 October. If they'd attacked military installations, by all means. But nothing on earth justifies the mass torture and killings of civilians, and I'm disappointed to read someone making excuses for what occured.

@SomeCatFromJapan you're absolutely right that what Hamas did on 7th October 2023 was unjustified.

Hamas is the reason Gaza has been blockaded. And their link to Iran who smuggle weapons to them - even easier once Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005!

Iran also wants to turn West Bank into a fourth front against Israel, so you can appreciate why Tel Aviv is keeping a link open with the Palestinian Authority.

Gaza is 100% lost to Israel and vice-versa, I'm absolutely sure about that.

Lots of info:

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/the-flow-of-arms-into-the-gaza-strip/

www.stimson.org/2023/hamas-is-only-one-of-four-iranian-fronts-against-israel/

The Flow of Arms into the Gaza Strip - Australian Institute of International Affairs

Non-state actors in Gaza and Egypt have exploited smuggling networks to acquire arms, but they face new challenges.  The Arab Turmoil has dramatically

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/the-flow-of-arms-into-the-gaza-strip

feralunderclass · 20/10/2023 23:12

@flufferknutter Israel haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the UN, so it would be pointless anyway.

SomeCatFromJapan · 20/10/2023 23:07

You specifically said "they are Hamas" in relation to all of the Palestinians. I'm pointing out that as 50% of them are children, theycannot be described as Hamas.

Can you copy the piece of text where I said that?

Astonymission · 20/10/2023 23:06

flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 16:04

😢 I was worried that this is what it meant. Wtaf is happening? Why can't the UN intervene? I feel sick

Same I literally feel ill and haven’t even been reading the news as much.

Trulywonderful · 20/10/2023 23:04

TopicalNameChange · 20/10/2023 23:01

She's a dickhead who won't be back to the thread. Helpful to know who to ignore though

Surely will just name change

ketchup07070 · 20/10/2023 23:03

@Parkingt111 I'm sorry, I can't bear to read that, but yes - things look bad in the West Bank. I'm aware of a huge increase in violence.

feralunderclass · 20/10/2023 23:02

SomeCatFromJapan · 20/10/2023 21:45

The civilians did not attack anyone. 50% of the population are children. That poster said Israel shouldn't help them because they are Hamas. That means at least 50% aren't Hamas.

Again, the ordinary civilians and children in Russian didn't invade Ukraine either. But sanctions were nevertheless put in place.
Ordinary children in Germany didn't invade Poland, we still bombed them in their homes, and they ours.

You specifically said "they are Hamas" in relation to all of the Palestinians. I'm pointing out that as 50% of them are children, they cannot be described as Hamas.

TopicalNameChange · 20/10/2023 23:01

She's a dickhead who won't be back to the thread. Helpful to know who to ignore though

Trulywonderful · 20/10/2023 23:00

DownNative · 20/10/2023 22:42

Should've taken a screenshot although I see you quoted it in bold anyway.

EDIT: I've taken one. 👍

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Oh is that the poster that said they support Has a little while ago or something else?

DownNative · 20/10/2023 22:42

SomeCatFromJapan · 20/10/2023 22:19

Ah, I see you've edited your comment quickly where you justify the terrorist atrocity. Do you not stand by that statement then?

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Should've taken a screenshot although I see you quoted it in bold anyway.

EDIT: I've taken one. 👍

DownNative · 20/10/2023 22:39

WhiteHorseSpirit · 20/10/2023 22:13

Good point. They want to keep the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Both are undergoing gradual dispossession from Palestinian inhabitants via illegal settling.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/11/1104792

https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/03/human-rights-council-hears-current-israeli-plan-double-settler-population-occupied

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On the contrary, I believe Israel feels a reasonable deal down the line can be done with the Palestinian Authority.

Without Hamas interfering.

Security cooperation with Israel has been a central pillar of the Oslo process since 1993. The Palestinian Authority view it as very important to their party which is one suggestion they cancelled the 2021 election in the West Bank after polls indicated Hamas would win. For example:

www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-vows-to-uphold-sacred-security-coordination-with-israel/

That means more chance of doing a deal with Palestinian Authority than is ever going to be possible with Hamas backed by Iran.

It's in Israel and the United States' interest to ensure the Palestinian Authority does not collapse. Its also in Palestinian Authority's interests.

Hence Sunak meeting Abbas.

With Hamas off the scene, Abbas won't need to attempt to reconcile with Hamas and can get on with the politics "art of the possible".

Again, very important to take Hamas out as a player.

Parkingt111 · 20/10/2023 22:28

The IDF and Israel really need to treat the Palestinians in the west bank better. Soke awful atrocities taking place there daily
I mean just look at this in the Israeli paper

mushti · 20/10/2023 22:26

MissyB1 · 20/10/2023 21:55

What Hamas supporters are you talking about?? Who specifically on this thread?? Or are you another idiot that insists anyone sympathetic to Palestinian civilians is a Hamas supporter?

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Assume I am an idiot.

Could take a shot at answering the question? On behalf of supporters of Hamas, and supporters of the Palestinian struggle. 75 years on, is it going the way you hoped?

TopicalNameChange · 20/10/2023 22:23

@WhiteHorseSpirit so then the Israelis are justified for whatever revenge they decide? Is that your belief system?