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What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 15:49

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

Israeli defence minister reveals plans for 'three-phase war' in Gaza

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant told Israeli lawmakers that the IDF expects to start its three-phase war with airstrikes and ground maneuvers, before defeating Hamas pockets of resistance

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

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Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:48

What’s the thread title?

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:47

Go to top of this thread and click on the Section. There's not many threads in it!

FFS

DownNative · 21/10/2023 11:45

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 11:31

@DownNative are you from Israel? If you are wanted to ask a genuine question from an Israeli view point

No, and my username is a big clue I'm not.

DownNative · 21/10/2023 11:45

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:42

Oh whatever - a link to the thread at least? Or am I expected to trot off and go through the threads until I find one you started?

Go to top of this thread and click on the Section. There's not many threads in it!

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:42

Oh whatever - a link to the thread at least? Or am I expected to trot off and go through the threads until I find one you started?

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:41

Check out my thread in the Conflict of the Middle East section. Might add to it with other expert views.

Does that mean no?

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 11:31

@DownNative are you from Israel? If you are wanted to ask a genuine question from an Israeli view point

DownNative · 21/10/2023 11:23

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:16

Read a few political and security analysts views
Can you provide any links?

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Check out my thread in the Conflict of the Middle East section. Might add to it with other expert views.

A new political reality is what has and will happen there. Arab States close by have to be more involved, especially Saudi Arabia.

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 11:16

Read a few political and security analysts views
Can you provide any links?

DownNative · 21/10/2023 11:13

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 10:52

Israel had responsibility before, but Hamas’s attack on 7th October 2023 changer that permanently. Gaza will have to make their own arrangements post-demilitarisation

I’m not sure thats how it works.

Your last comment shows you don't understand how terrorist groups work and how to beat them. I've explained across several threads the counter-terrorist perspective so I'm not about to do so again.

I’m not sure what my take away from this comment is meant to be? That you’re right because of reasons?

We will see it will be considered not sustainable for Israel to continue to have responsibility for Gazans by Palestinians & Israelis. Neither can trust the other.

Palestinian Authority's Abbas has been courted by major powers, including US and UK.

Arab States will play a key role, especially Qatar (political base for Hamas and home to a huge USAF base) and Saudi Arabia whose Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman is majorly frustrated with Palestinian leaders.

I expect between them all to come up with a way for Gazans to take more responsibility for themselves and Israel to have very little. Eventually.

There will be no return to previous years or 1967 era when Israel had direct administration responsibilities.

Everything changed on 7th October 2023.

Read a few political and security analysts views. 👍

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 10:52

Israel had responsibility before, but Hamas’s attack on 7th October 2023 changer that permanently. Gaza will have to make their own arrangements post-demilitarisation

I’m not sure thats how it works.

Your last comment shows you don't understand how terrorist groups work and how to beat them. I've explained across several threads the counter-terrorist perspective so I'm not about to do so again.

I’m not sure what my take away from this comment is meant to be? That you’re right because of reasons?

DownNative · 21/10/2023 10:47

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 10:34

No, I've shown it means they'll have no legal responsibility for Gazans who will have to make their own arrangements

They do have legal responsibility while the blockade is in place.

And no, you can't just go after Hamas directly as they're deeply embedded into the social fabric of Gaza.

Have they tried?

Israel had responsibility before, but Hamas’s attack on 7th October 2023 changer that permanently. Gaza will have to make their own arrangements post-demilitarisation.

Your last comment shows you don't understand how terrorist groups work and how to beat them. I've explained across several threads the counter-terrorist perspective so I'm not about to do so again.

Like I said if it was that easy, every single terrorist group that ever existed would have been easily defeated instead of them dragging on. It's tough, long and difficult. Some more difficult than others.

Gruntsandgroans · 21/10/2023 10:36

Meshigenus · 21/10/2023 10:00

Yes, indeed. Where is Gaza's airport? Israel destroyed the airport in the second intifada in response to Palestinian attacks. Another disastrous decision of the Palestinians to try, yet again, to destroy Israel. If they wouldn't have launched the second intifada, they would have an airport today.

And I think you don't realise the extent and sophistication of the weaponry Hamas has and the resources they have put into them. Of the terror tunnels they have built. It's perfectly legitimate to question why, if they managed to smuggle in so many weapons, they didn't manage to bring in a few parts for some water desalination or medicines if they were short (although medicine has always been allowed through).

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A few parts for water desalination 😂 That's all you need you know to provide water for 2.2million people. Just 'a few parts'. Come on. Even you don't believe what you are saying.

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 10:34

No, I've shown it means they'll have no legal responsibility for Gazans who will have to make their own arrangements

They do have legal responsibility while the blockade is in place.

And no, you can't just go after Hamas directly as they're deeply embedded into the social fabric of Gaza.

Have they tried?

Parkingt111 · 21/10/2023 10:31

@Meshigenus and what about the expansion of land by settlers and Israel in the west bank? What about the inhumane way that Palestinians in the west bank are treated by Israel?
What do you think this is the recipe for?
Does Israel think they can carry on doing this and expect no one to retaliate? BTW I'm talking about the west bank here
When will Israel learn from its mistakes. These things do not just happen overnight

They didn’t leave us air to breathe,” said Zawahri, 52, describing a months-long campaign of violence and intimidation that intensified in the last two weeks. First villagers were barred from grazing lands, and the spring, then violence reached their homes.
“They came into the village and destroyed houses and sheep pens, beat an 85-year-old man, scared our children. Slowly our lives became unlivable.”
A few men are trying to stay on amid the shells of homes, empty animal pens, smashed solar panels and broken windows, staking a fragile claim to their own village.

Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 10:26

Claims Hamas fighters beheaded babies have only been reported by one journalist - Nicole Zedek from i24 - and have not been verified by Sky News.

But when asked directly whether "40 babies were beheaded", an IDF spokesman said children were killed - but that reports of beheadings were "unconfirmed

The people who will quote this as fact are probably the same people who think you're jumping the gun to assume it was Israel that bombed that hospital

ChickenNugget6 · 21/10/2023 10:25

I am not saying that it matters how a baby has died matters. A baby dying is awful and one baby is far too many. I condemn the attacks from Hamas as well as the attacks from Israel.

I will however say that propagandist language further fuels the fire and incorrect information has been put out which is very misleading.

Xenia · 21/10/2023 10:18

Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, was invaded by Hamas terrorists who killed babies and kidnapped babies and others. Let us hope once and for all Israel can protect its citizens and establish permanent large secure areas around its borders to keep out terrorists. Like most people in the UK I support Israel in this.

ChickenNugget6 · 21/10/2023 10:17

Meshigenus · 21/10/2023 10:08

Oh it happened. I wish it hadn't but it's true. You can find it on the English speaking media too if you look. It's definitely a sad story in the Hebrew media (

And, no, Israelis did nto do that to any Palestinian woman. Perhaps you're getting confused with what the Arabs have done to one another during their various civil wars?

Again, you're turning Palestinians into innocent victims. Ohhh, they're only defedning themselves against their rapist. That's why they can behead babies and torture families. Because they're occupied (even if they're not). So they can therefore attack Israeli civillians at will and Israel cannot respond. Smacks a bit of the Hamas claim that there are no civillians in Israel.

No one is targeting the vulnerable. Israel is targetting Hamas. But Hamas is deeply embedded int he civillian population and cynically using them as expendable. Civillian casualties are tragically inevitable. Not least because Hamas and their ilk care not the least about reducing Palestinian casualties (as shown by hte hospital bombing by Islamic Jihad)

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No. All the British news channels reported, "Israel Said"... We have learnt that Israel say a lot of things. None of this was confirmed by the IDF as well but by a twitter post.* *

Please see below

https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329

Why are there reports of 'babies being beheaded'?

Claims Hamas fighters beheaded babies have only been reported by one journalist - Nicole Zedek from i24 - and have not been verified by Sky News.

But when asked directly whether "40 babies were beheaded", an IDF spokesman said children were killed - but that reports of beheadings were "unconfirmed".

What we actually know about the viral report of beheaded babies in Israel

One journalist from the Tel Aviv-based news channel i24 said a soldier told her they had "witnessed… bodies of babies with their heads cut off" at the Kfar Aza kibbutz near the Gaza border - but no Israeli officials have confirmed the claim.

https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329

DownNative · 21/10/2023 10:17

SomeCatFromJapan · 21/10/2023 10:12

I get the impression that Hamas wants maximum loss of civilian life as it suits their PR goals.

In fact they're possibly prepared to add to the death toll themselves if that explosion that killed civilians fleeing south was indeed a roadside IED which footage certainly suggests.

This is correct and mentioned in the attachment. Terrorists communicate via death counts, for example, and select certain cases with which to justify their terrorism as well as claim they're so-called defenders.

What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?
Reallifelurker · 21/10/2023 10:16

Why do you not think Iran is involved? Of course it is! And Russia has joined the party too

Not clear how Israel’s current actions will neutralise theses threats. But then they can’t bomb the hell out of Russia or Iran with no repercussions can they? Probably get straight up nuked if they tried.