Why did Israeli settlers move into the Palestinian Territories?

Is the land not cheaper?

No, that's not why Jews move there so I can only assume that a) you had no interest in reading the responses from Jewish people giving reasons, and b) you're regurgitating an age-old antisemitic trope and three words is all it took you.

it's cheaper land.

What etmoi wrote, as another Jew here in the UK. I wouldn't, for example, wear a necklace with a star of David on it in public, I'd feel too nervous. Normally at Hanukkah we also put our candelabra in the window for everyone to see and while I'm hoping we're all in a far different place politically come December I am already thinking up an excuse for my six year old as to why we can't.

I'm quite bolshy and "take no shit" generally, if that's useful context.

I don't think I'd ever move to Israel but I absolutely feel like a fish in water there. I live in a non-Jewish area, weirdly I don't seem to present as Jewish even though Jews clearly recognise me as such (I have allllll the visual stereotypes....), and even just explaining, for example, that I can't join in the lovely carol service because we are not allowed into churches gets me funny looks. And no, no pork whatever or prawn whatever for me. You never quite know how it'll go when you tell people. I had an employer who'd just hired me break into a visible sweat when I mentioned I was Jewish, because he was worried I'd want Friday afternoons off if only. I imagine if he'd known beforehand he'd have just found a reason not to hire me rather than risk an uncomfortable conversation. That sort of thing.

One branch of my forbears lived in London and could remember Oswald Moseley's rallies, which would have been about 100 years ago, I reckon.

I had thought that that sort of stuff had gone and I find it hard to describe how I have felt in the last few years, when there has been this big thing about anti-semitism in the Labour party.

I am not Jewish. I find it concerning that after all these years there are Jewish people in some parts of the UK who do not feel comfortable.

One thing I don't quite understand is why Jewish people feel safer in Israel than in western countries.

@Kendodd

Less casual (and increasingly overt) antisemitism creeping into their everyday lives would be one reason. Even the most subtle and covert incidences have a huge impact when you've had a lifetime of it. And safety in numbers I suppose. UK Jews make up a really tiny proportion of the population in the UK so maybe that's the draw. Threats of and actual antisemitic-driven violence including murder is another (this is why so many French Jews have emigrated in the last 10 years and I know members of my family in France have felt pretty nervous although don't think any of them have considered Israel as an option and like, me they are very secular).

Moving to Israel is not something I've ever remotely considered doing, not until the last few weeks, which is ludicrous given the danger there, like you say. If I didn't have a non-Jewish DH and family, then maybe it's something I would currently consider, but that could be just a knee-jerk reaction to increased hostility towards Western Jews. But I can say I feel very, very uncomfortable in the UK at present.

Is the antisemitism really so bad in the UK/US/France etc ?

Yes, it's becoming pretty awful and the overlap between anti-Zionism and antisemitism is becoming quite pronounced.

One thing I don't quite understand is why Jewish people feel safer in Israel than in western countries. Israel has always been subject to terrorist attack and has always lived defensively (and offensively) it doesn't feel a very safe country to me. None of my Jewish family (secular, professional jobs comfortable UK life, no strong religious beliefs') have ever even raised moving to Israel as an idea. And these people are only in the UK because our ancestors left central Europe about 100 years ago.

Is the antisemitism really so bad in the UK/US/France etc ?
The only Jewish people I know are as described above so maybe they/we aren't at the sharp end.

This was later deleted, I would imagine under extreme duress.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hamas-accused-stealing-aid-while-second-convoy-crosses-gaza-1720873

’Last week, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) reported that Hamas had stolen the humanitarian supplies that were to be given to Palestinian civilians in Gaza.
UNWRA, which donates more than $1 billion to Palestinian causes each year, said that the essential supplies included fuel and medical items.
In a report, the UNWRA spoke of a group claiming to be Hamas Health Ministry officials, who used a truck to steal more than 20,000 tons of gasoline and medicine.
The gasoline was to be used to power sanitary water plants that would be used by almost one million Palestinians in Gaza.
Although the UNWRA deleted their statement shortly after, UN and Israeli officials confirmed that the theft had taken place.
Hillel Neuer, the Executive Director of United Nations Watch, declared: "We estimate 24,000 litres of fuel, that's enough to power water desalination plants for four days to provide water to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians."’

@25milesfromhome

I have been seeing alot of Hamas steals the supplies but I haven't found any credible sources for it. If you have any, if you could send it on here please?
A third party verified credible source.

There is no suggestion of you being pro-Hamas, where did you see that?

The Israeli actions you’re posting about are a response to Hamas- they are inextricably linked, yet you persistently portray them as if they are not. Israeli air strikes-provoked by Hamas killing hundreds of people in Israel and injuring thousands more and firing thousands of rockets into Israel, which they continue to do every day. Israeli blockade-provoked by Hamas taking over 200 hostages and refusing to return them, stealing fuel, water, medical supplies and other aid from their own people, the strong likelihood of Hamas using any aid convoys to smuggle in more weapons and they are blocking the Rafah crossing themselves. There is a lot of talk about context and that things don’t happen in a vacuum and I agree.

You will now no doubt counter by switching to talking about settlers and “Hamas don’t exist in the West Bank”, which is another false narrative I’m seeing take hold on here.

Every time I mention any of the crimes Israel has and is committing I am immediately met with well what about Hamas. As if I for one am pro Hamas which i find quite insulting because it happens every single time. Or secondly that ordinary citizens in the free world hold terrorists and a democracy to the same standards

Yes they should ofcourse I'm not pro Hamas here by any means
But which safe place should the other 2.1 million people in Gaza go to? To evade Israels air strikes?

Hamas could stop blocking the Rafah crossing as well.

From the Guardian:

“Hamas militants have stopped people from approaching the Rafah crossing,a US state department spokesperson said.
Speaking to CNN, Matthew Miller said the sporadic presence of Hamas at the crossing has made the situation “extremely difficult”.
At times, Hamas has had no one there manning the border station. At other times, we have seen Hamas militants actively there with guns preventing people from approaching the crossing.”

And yet all Hamas have to do to end the blockade is stop firing missiles into Israel, release the 200 hostages, call a ceasefire and come to the table for peace talks.
Oh, and Hamas could also stop stealing fuel, water and medical supplies from the Palestinians who desperately need them.

Edited to remove extra word.

ACCORDING TO THE EX ICC CHIEF ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE

As you’ve brought it up, that seems to be what you’re suggesting, not me.

And holding Palestinians responsible for the actions of Hamas is ok? And mass murdering them for the actions of Hamas is ok?

Ffs.

This is a stunningly bad take and your ignorance is embarrassing. I’ll just point you in the direction of this, from the IHRA (non legally binding) working definition of antisemitism:

• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

I don't know how true it is that Palestinians want to live in Israel. I think they want to live fairly and independently from Israel, without having things like having their power and water cut off at Israel's whim. I don't know all the facts about the blockade but without it, given the opportunity for Gaza to build it's own economy, would workers even need to get permits to work elsewhere?
Most observers don't really understand why the situation is quite so difficult. It seems that Jerusalem is important to both. Why are two strong religions engaging in mutual hatred (a generalisation of course - I suspect many ordinary people have friends and acquaintances of the other religion)

Firstly if you don’t know much about the subject you should educate yourself before commenting. This is not two strong religions, it’s one group of people who want to exist and another which is a depraved maniacal death cult with the stated aim of annihilating Jews. Free Palestine means eradicate Jews.

*turning not turing.
That Jewish people around the world, regardless of their politics, will be tarred with the actions of Israel. Some people sadly need only the smallest thing to despise or attack others. I despise racism in all forms, but in a world that's ever more precarious - politically, economically, geophysically - people have their backs to the wall. That makes them defensive, suspicious, hostile. We have two nations (well, one state, one occupied territory...) that seem intent on annihilating each other. One has the power (and seemingly the support of other Western nations) to do this. No-one in their right mind says that Hamas were right to attack Israel. Big but... there is an understanding of why Hamas are pissed off with Israel. Consequently Israel appears the bully, and Jews will be blamed for that.

Also, @Twillow , what did you mean by this?

My big fear is that Netanyahu is risking turing Jews around the world into pariahs.

The First Temple was destroyed in the Babylonian Siege of Jerusalem. The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans- the sacking of which largely funded the construction of the Colosseum

My understanding is that Jews lived in Jerusalem "in biblical times", indeed, in other places around the country, too. The first temple was built in the time of King Solomon. I can't remember why it ceased to be, but a second temple was built in its place, I guess. The second temple is the one which Jesus went to when he was about 12 and was in when he was angry about the dodgy trading which was going on there. By then the Romans were in charge. Was the second temple destroyed about AD70 and was it by an earthquake? Anyway it was destroyed. Later, when the Turks(?) were in charge (officially the Ottoman Empire) they built a Muslim building on the same site - I think that is the gold-domed one you can see today, called the Dome of the Rock.
The site is important to Christians, Jews and Muslims. (notice that I have written them in strict alphabetical order as fairest way to do it) Sorry if I'm teaching my grannies to suck eggs. There was a time when I didn't know all this and then I was told about it, and it is interesting, even if sad-making.

@Twillow don't forget Jerusalem has religious significance for Christians too, who are also being oppressed as Palestinians and they too join in the protests and resistance movements. I don't believe this is a religious war at all, it's a Jewish (whether that's religious/race/ethnicity) vs Palestinian war. Israel wants the land for itself and fully intends to suppress the self determination of Palestinians, regardless of their religion.