To think that water occupation is oppressive?

But you avoided my actual question. What would you, as a human being being, parent, citizen etc have wanted if it was your neighbouring villages subjected to that attack? Like literally if the town down the road from you had had hundreds of people slaughtered in their beds and others kidnapped and raped and paraded naked through the streets, despite all of your historical understanding and sense of justice, what would you want done to make sure your daughter wasn't next?

Nothing can justify the mass slaughter of innocent people including children, no matter who does it.
The problem many people have with Israel is that its violent, racist government is, as we speak, in the process of doing it on a much larger scale than Hamas did.

I find myself in a challenging position. I spent my whole youth campaigning for palestine and having a very black and white view of things. Recent events, and having a friend living and studying in Israel and relating back to me the impact of what's gone on has changed my position somewhat.

When you say open the borders etc it sounds reasonable and fair but realistically if eg scotland had invaded and kidnapped, raped and paraded the naked bodies of english girls around glasgow with the crowds cheering and applauding would YOU really, honestly, trust and want borders open with Scotland?

It's very easy from the safety of England to say well it's their own fault for their history and injustice over 50 years but honestly, if it was you, if a neighbouring town had had a morass of people killing people in their own homes including babies, kidnapping, killing, raping etc teens at a rave, would YOU want the borders opened to allow those people to freely come in. There is the reality that hamas and their supporters do not want any kind of compromise and just want death for all israelis. Natural human instinct and self preservation is going to react to that.

So whilst yes, I have total sympathy for the palestian cause and plight how do you suggest that Israelis should feel safe and open to the idea of people who are, or have voted for, an organisation that thinks nothing of slaughtering a load of kids at a party to enter their country? Please respond without saying oh yes but historically x, y and z but from a position of what you'd want and do in the same position regardless of whose initial fault it was historically before you were even born.

Yes the "but Hamas!" is used as a shield to avert the gaze from the human rights violations and illegal settlements that contravene international law. The human rights orgs have published horrifying reports of children beaten in detention, women sexually assaulted to illicit 'confessions', men tortured. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

Thank you for doing the research and reporting your findings

Thank you for sharing this, I didn’t know about this either, only the settlements. I think with the current ‘good vs evil’ narrative being portrayed to the West in social media this information really helps shed a light on what the ‘good’ side winning looks like. Shame this post is now hidden where only those looking for it can find it

That’s not the case. All humanitarian aid and goods destined for Gaza and the West Bank are controlled by Israel. Israel also controls all building permits and permits for new water sources are almost impossible to get, deliberately so, because water is used as a means of control. It is part of the military occupation since 1967 mentioned in the OP that applies to all the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Hamas only receives funds either illegally via covert methods or through taxes levied on Palestinians once they got in power in 2007.

Wow. Speechless. I have added his books to my reading list. Thank you for posting.

I didn't realise that where some Palestinian communities in the West Bank can produce water they cannot share it with other Palestinian Communities nearby. They just can't win.

....While the agreement allows Israel to export water from inside the country to West Bank settlements, it precludes the Palestinian Authority from transporting water from one part of the West Bank to another. This creates an absurd situation, as the Palestinian Water Authority produces water at a negligible cost in the Qalqiliyah, Tulkarm and Jericho Districts but cannot deliver it to other Palestinian communities, sometimes mere miles away, due to Israel’s refusal.....

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/parched-israels-policy-water-deprivation-west-bank

Formally yes but there are many sources which show that the experience of Israeli Palestinians is not equal to that of Israeli Jews. Given that they’re so negatively impacted by institutional discrimination, it’s pretty gross to trot them out to minimise the treatment of Palestinians in occupied territories. imagine if we did the same with Islamophobia and the Iraq war.

Palestinians in Israel do not have equal rights.

Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories have four different types of ID which grant them different rights depending on where they live. The hierarchy of Palestinian rights goes from Palestinian Israelis, Palestinians in East Jerusalem, Palestinians in the West Bank and those with the least rights (apart from Palestinian refugees in adjoining countries) in Gaza.

If you are a Palestinian living in Israel and you marry someone from Gaza you might be allowed to go and live with them in Gaza but they will never be able to leave Gaza and live in Israel.

Israelis can move and live where they like.

Plenty of Palestinians and Arabs living happily in Israel with equal rights, enjoying the democracy. How many Jews living in Arab countries?

Try reading the link. It's really eye opening.

It's not that the Palestinians "haven't bothered" to build their own water supply. Hamas have used the money instead building tunnels to terrorise Israel.

I can see the comment has been deleted, so before anybody starts on me and let me be clear, I did not report it.

I think there is a difference between calling out that you think there’s some disinformation going on and doing so, in a way that utilises a stereotype and suggests all accusations have been unwarranted. Many posters have left comments about this with suggestions such as separate sections, limiting discussion to long time posters etc and have managed to do so without getting their posts deleted.

Surely this is just referring to the modern phenomenon of governments employing people to spread information on social media that enhances their position? Russia and China being the two most famous / prevalent examples.

Yes blatant. This for example is very great Jewish plot esque. The moment MNHQ read that they’ll pull the thread. Not sure if you have any experience of being on the receiving end of racism, but I can tell you it’s not nice. It is very annoying that all the threads are getting deleted so don’t give anyone reason to report another one.

Give it time.

I was just thinking the same! Don't speak too soon though.

Blatantly discriminatory? Oh please 🙄