Ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

Well, RTD found me too Hippy. Now I feel all optimistic and fine compared to a couple of days ago. Obviously it was just pms and TBH I am glad I had peed on a stick early so that I wasn't shattered at the first sign of AF.

Hopefully my back pain will be gone in time for WSI! My DH has taken the day off to help with DS as my back is so bad that I can't pick him up at all. I don't why it is so sore, it started yesterday after giving DS a short piggy back ride. Can't imagine why that would do it, but I guess something is going on.If it continues I'll organise to see a physio so that it is all better before SWI time!!

So it is just as well that I am not pregnant, as I really need to take ibuprofen and I don't like taking anything if I'm pregnant.

DH and DS are out doing the grocery shopping, so I shall take the opportunity to order some opk's online.

Double - sorry to hear you are feeling worried. The stress of worry isn't good for you so your DH and Mum should just jolly well pay for the scan. It is awful that you can't have a reassurance scan under the nhs. Over here you'd just have to see your GP and he'd organise it in an instant. My preggy friend had a day last week when her boobs stopped huting, she was 9 weeks, and very worried, so they got her in for a scan that day and she could see all was well.

Try not to worry Double, I know with Charlie's pregnancy I felt the same - even though I hadn't had a previous miscarriage - if my symptoms waned I thought the worst, and the symptoms did wax and wane an awful lot in the first trimester. I do hope you are feeling less worried.

I was wondering last night about eggs and sperm, and why they just can't get together when we try to get them in the right place at the right time, it has me baffled, I suppose there's many different factors that need to be right.I'm off to find out more...knowledge is power, right?

I wonder how Ilovegregoryhouse is going. How pregnant would she be by now? And TFLS too? I wish we had a roll call of all previous TTC-ers, and where they are at.It might give me a glimmer of hope...

Rowing - how's things? Any news? I'm keeping everything crossed for you.

jolly - you must be about 8 weeks now lovie - all ok?

lia hang in there you must be about 5.

Can't keep track of all of you lovely preggie ladies - but not in a bad way honest.

double Glad to hear that the stick of doom gave good news. Don't get obsesed with them - it will cost more than a private scan if you keep POAS every day!!!!

AF arrived for me today. Was not surprised though so thus was not upset. I will push on with my endevers and thanks to quite short cycles will be back in the vest tops and shorts in a week or so. Hope the bloody weather improves .

Hippy Thanks and grateful
it's good to know someone else has been through this uncertainty. It doesn't help that it was about week 6 that the foetus had stopped developing last year. But I had symptoms right up until the MC started in earnest. Sigh, one never knows...

I'm afraid I've already gone out and bought the digital sticks how desperate am I? I suppose for a reliable reading, I should only use it in the morning.... but it's too tempting...

OK - all done - the test says 3+ weeks which is some comfort I suppose. I knew I should have tested first thing etc but I'm taking it as a good sign that despite several glasses of juice, there was still enough hormone... sorry, TMI

double I feel for you I really do. It is just so scary isn't it. On the positive side you have no pain and no bleeding so there is nothing to suggest that anything bad is about to happen.

I think symptoms can come and go. Many ladies have complained of losing symptoms only to pop back on the next day and report that they are back with avengance.

I am annoyed on your behalf at your mum and hubbie. Surely they can see how worried all this is making you. Would you consider pretending that you've had some spotting to try to get an early NHS scan or would you consider that tempting fate??

You could pee on a conception indicator stick if you wanted to but they are not called devil sticks for nothing.

When i started spotting at 6 weeks I had a scan and they could only see a sac I did do that and it said 2-3 weeks (obviously it should have said 3+ by then). I guess that helped to prepare me cos I wasn't too surprised when i started bleeding. But I don't know that it is a very scientific way of telling how things are going.

Try not to worry. I don't think symptoms are necessarily indicative of what is happening. When I had my MMC i still had symptoms right up to week 11.5 but the feotus had stopped at 8 weeks.

Thinking of you and hoping that your mind is at rest soon. xx

Will miss Italian too, loads.

Week 7 here. Booking appntmt not till Week 9. NHS scan eons away at week 12 .... A slightly "me, me, me" post as I'm frantic with worry on two counts:

Little DD has a slight fever - may have caught the sun playing in the park, on a semi-cloudy day - isn't that just typical. Despite loads of sunscreen, hat etc.

On top of that, my symptoms have started to fade away I'm no longer ravenous within an hour of a meal. Nor quite as tired. And the loo visits have dropped in frequency totally. Final straw was today my boobs stopped hurting

POAS on Friday was positive. But we all know that doesn't mean anything until the MC is completely over (if, that is, an MC is on its way). GPs aren't interested unless I'm bleeding or in loads of pain The earliest I can sneak away for an early scan is Friday and now my Mom has refused to pay for one as you know DH is dead set against early scans and won't pay.

Don't know what to do. Should I get some digital HPTs?
Is this up and down-ness of symptoms something us older moms-to-be should expect?

Hi all,
Hippy [rowing wakes up!] Huh, what was that! You never know though! [hopeful face]
It's the hormones you know, making you feel fed-up. [big hug]

Frosticle are you going to create for that natural cycle? I hear it is very good for older women, but I'm sure they will advise if they think you should shift to another protocol.
They have another, more medicated IVF, which is still more gentle than the full monty.

Beattie, is triphasic that condition where you fall over things and drop stuff?

Gum, oh dear, weeping away. Never mind sweetie. It's a bit of a nightmare when everyone is PMS'y at the same time on here isn't it! Oh no, do you think we are 'in sync', you know, the way women living together synchronise cycle days.

I'm slightly concerned as AF is due on Wednesday, although I have been informed to test 14 days after transfer. So lets see which arrives first? Not really feeling confident about paying attention to any 'symptoms' because I'm taking a stack of progesterone, which is going to make things misleading and unreliable.

Hello all you sane ladies (and diege - who fancies Simon Cowell!!! )

Don't count on me for a BFP ladies. I am pretty sure it's a no for me as well. On the plus side I've had no spotting yet and it's 12 days post when I think I ov'd (which is a good LP for me). But on the negative side my boobs feel very normal (like they are mine). And I did an internet cheapie test this morning with FMU and I got not even a hint of a second line - hoo hiss.

I have been feeling like AF is on the way for the last couple of days and the only reason I tested this morning was cos I would have expected to start spotting by now. Ahh well ho hum this is the first cycle after a MC so I guess there are no rules.

Now for the bit where Hippy moans .... please feel free to change channels if you want to....

We had a party for work finishing last night. The whole department is moving up norff so a couple of the girls at work organised a 'BALL'. Hence all the girls dressed up and made an effort (i bought a dress in the sales and some new shoes) then last night most of the men turned up in jeans and shirts - I felt annoyed that the girls had made such an effort and the men were crap (with the exception of about 4 men in suits). I know they are a young bunch but I just felt a bit like - why did I bother to get a dress, and why call it a ball????

Then they gave out some made up awards as a joke, like most chatty person in the office etc. My preggy friend got a 'who ate all the pies' award - ha feckin ha. Much discussion about how big she was and how long did she have to go now (6 weeks) and was she excited etc. That totally ruined the night for me cos i just kept thinking that I should have been either 35 weeks or 12 weeks pregnant and instead I was downing gin & tonic like no-body's business in the sure and certain knowledge that AF was coming.

DH says I shouldn't keep count of how pregnant I would have been - he says I should look to the future and not to the past. But I have no idea if a successful pregnancy is even in my future!!

Sorry to be such a moany old bitch. And sorry not to name check everyone. I think AF is defo due i feel like a maudlin old bag.

Off to afternoon tea at a posh hotel for a couple of friend's birthdays this afternoon. Hope that will lift this old hippy's spirits.

If you are still reading - gawd bless ya!

Rowing feeling emotional sounds very encouraging!

I'm supposed to be having modified natural ivf. Basically they just take the single egg produced naturally - with a little bit of assistance - that month, fertilise it and pop it back. So, they do first scan at Day 4. My period started yesterday so I'll get another scan this week and hope that one goes better. I'm beginning to have reservations about having gone for the minimal drugs option for IVF. My DP wasn't keen on me being pumped full of drugs but pumped full of drugs is probably what I need at my age!!

Sorry about your disappointment Gum.

oh Gum I'm sorry. fwiw I'm in the same boat. Had lots of lovely high temps, and ff was saying I was triphasic, and today my temp was lower, plus cramping, so rtd is on its way here too I think.

Feel gutted too.

Hippy it's all down to you now!

MOrning girls. Well, I am pretty sure I'm out for this month. Had a bit of a weep yesterday while reading a mothering magazine,as I just don't feel pregnant, more pms. So I did a test this am.10 dpo and very very negative. Won't be testing again.Fully expect RTD Tuesday.

Feeling a bit sad as I would just love to be pregnant with my friend who is 10 weeks. Also thought we had great timing this month.But it is silly, as I know it may take some time, just wish it was NOW!

I'm hoping we'll have other bfp's to celebrate on this thread soon...

Rowing I think a life of essay marking would indeed be my idea of hell. In fact while the A level essays are done and dusted, the irony is that I received a 'begging' email off my 'boss' on Friday asking me to mark some of the uni' ones that the secretary had lost but has since found, ready for Award Board on Tuesday. I am very cross with myself for even reading it (as I don't technically work for the uni' on a Friday) but it will also mean marking the damn things on my annual leave which I am not impressed with. The alternative is terrifying though - people won't graduate so am going to get them done tonight and tomorrow. I think I am going to have 'She was a good marker' engraved on my grave stone' . On a more interesting note, good to read your experience of agnus. I can't see it can do all it's claimed when taken just for 2 weeks, but am a bit hesitant to take for the full cycle (I am a worrier). Dh has his night off tonight, then back on with it tomorrow and Tues, then 2 weeks in my favourite place in then world - Whitby in Yorkshire!
Those light cramps sound good Rowing - there's certainly something going on in there I'd say.
Hippy (if you're still talking to me after my Cowell declaration you must be coming up to non-testing testing time,no?
Right,off to hunt out and destroy those bas*ard essays...

Hi all,

Deige I laughing at the 'stranger danger' comment. You know they are right, you could have been sold into a life-time of slavery in the Ukraine. Obviously, it would be marking Ukrainian essays night and day.
Did you manage to cover up your frowny face when swi'ing?
Re agnus castus, I took it for a couple of months, not knowing I was pg with DS. Stopped when I realised, but I was OK. I had a fibroid and was trying to starve it of oestrogen.
There seem mixed reports about continuing until you receive a positive test, but I certainly haven't read anything about uterine contractions or anything, as with EPO.
Purely anecdotally, I found my cycle lengthened by two or three days when I took it for the whole cycle.
Thank you for the well wishes.

Frosticle what stage were you supposed to be at in your cycle. That sounds mid-cycle? It's often day 21 when they start you 'down-regging' and the object is to stop you ovulating and reduce the lining of the uterus to a minimum. What are your clinic looking for?

Not loads happening for me, but do feel quite emotional. One of my managers is retiring, and I was getting a bit teary when writing my farewell on her gigantic card. Also bit more cramping, but not severe, just light.

Will do then Frosty Not sure a 40 year old with 4 kids would do much for him...
Rowing,meant to say that your weds cramping sounds positive - how are you feeling today? I have everything crossed for you xx Oh and on MN meets, I had met one or two before- was very odd knowing all the 'details', but not what someone's RL name was . When walking up to meeting place dds were asking me what people looked like. When I said I wasn't really sure and that these were people I'd met over the internet, I was met with a barrage of disbelief and shock - 'but mummy, that's stranger danger'!!!!
Did the deed last night, despite still being in a grump with dh. Have had some EWM but not convinced I've ovulated yet. Still, day 13 today so am stopping the agnus as per instructions.
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend- sun gone again here after a promising start, but at least it's not raining!

Diege my DP knows one of Simon Cowell's PAs and she says he's absolutely lovely and a fantastic employer. So you go right on ahead!

Rowing - lots of happy positive thoughts for you and your two embryos.

Italian - take all the time you need but we look forward to you popping back.

I couldn't start my IVF this month because the first scan showed a large follicle ready to pop whilst the womb lining wasn't ready. Basically all out of sync but I've not had any EWM and my temp hasn't increased so I don't think I've ovulated. I don't think I ovulated last month either. Trying to stay upbeat but I have to admit, it's not looking good.

Hi all,

thank you Jollster. I hope you find a nice rental without a neighbour into drum and bass or something.

Hippy how lovely to have all those feelings about your DH, you old romantic.

Deige have you got any more internet liasons coming up? Had you met the people in person before the last meeting?

Nothing much to report here. Went out today and the progesterone is making me feel a bit woozy, but that's about it. Nice sunny day though.

Morning! I have to admit my Simon Cowell 'thing' is in an extremely sexual way , though also admire him for his straight talking. I have been known to think to myself on occasion 'What would Simon Cowell say/do??' though have never followed his 'advice'!
Jollster uneventful sounds good! And you also have this house business to focus your mind too - hope it's not too stressful!
Have 'prewarned' dh he may be needed tonight, though no real signs of ovulation...think I'll take the angus one more day and then stop as sort of mid-cycle . One thing I have found re: EWM is the more water I drink the better the EWM (ewww...). I realised I have been drinking very little in the day - a cup of decaf tea, then 1 or 2 cups of water, and that was it for the day, so am determined to get fluid levels up!

Simon Cowell

Diege - not sure i can be bessie mates anymore

I am sat here sobbing happy tears- cos I just posted on a thread where someone was asking for advise about what her hubbie could do at the labour. i got really emotonal talking about how supportive my DH was. If you want to see what a sap i am - have a look on the pregnancy thread .

Hi Hippy ! Still up here but no SWI/SWOI going on as dh out with a friend and Simon Cowell/Rafael Nadal both unavailable
Have had a smidgen of EWM so maybe good old agnus is doing her stuff (or, more probably, my usual ov gearing into action)- which means I will have to be nice to dh, despite being in a right nark with him for no real reason .
Anyway,bed beckons, back tomorrow for last day of relative sanity before the 6 week endurance test that it the school hols!!

jolly - why do I have to find out on another thread that you have had your booking appointment at MW???? (disgruntled face!!!)

Hope it went well for you. I know there was some news on the grads thread that must have brought back horrid memories for you (I know it did for me and I only went through it once). Please try to stay positive honey

Hello Hello Hello (echo)

Anybody there???

Have you all gone to bed early. SWI or just plain old?????

diege I'm sure it will happen for you - after all it's happened loads for you in the past. 5th try worked for me back in december (just wasn't the right embryo in the end). Thanks for the email - had no idea it was gonna be so many pages!!!!

rowing how exciting - 2 embryos on board. All the very best.

It seems there are about 3 of us who are all at about the same stage (half way through 2WW) - WOW - let's hope we get some BFP's!!!

Hi all,
apologies for not coming on before. Bit of a 'me' post.
I'm feeling pretty tired after all the flights and rubbish sleep. It was very hot everywhere I stopped in Europe and I find AC difficult to sleep and also have trouble sleeping with a very noisy fan running all night (and making, not a jot of difference).
So the FET - two of the embryos survived the thaw and I had them put back on Tuesday morning, then dashed to the airport.
We didn't give these ones names at the time.
Lots of excitement when I got back and found I had no key to get in and DP and DS were away. So I had to go to my parents' for the night - at midnight in a taxi.
Haven't really had any symptoms, but did have very, very painful cramping on Wednesday morning - the kind that makes you feel nauseous, but since then nothing.
I have to run, am making dins, but hi to all and Italian you have my email as well, let me know how you are!