Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all, laughing. All welcome (Part3)

Morning everyone.

About to go out for the day, so quick post. Hopefully I read that about 8-10 DPO is the earliest you can test, but I would hold out a couple more days if you possibly can. I had a BFN on the Thurs which would have been 9 DPO, then a ridiculously faint BFP 12 DPO, didn't get a proper BFP until 13 DPO. The problem with early testing is that a) its disappointing and b) its inconclusive (hypocrite - moi?)

Saffron - couldn't agree more with you about people asking when you're going to start a family. Not sure how this is ever an appropriate question, if you were you'd either be pregnant, or things aren't going well, or otherwise the answer is clearly no!

I"m still terrified. Don't feel pregnant at all but trying to tell myself thats because got BFP stupidly early this time, last time was abotu 5 1/2 weeks before I found out.

Morning guys.

Had an absolutely lovely day fabric shopping, all by myself, in London yesterday. Was so strange not to have to time lunch to have to fit in with DS, lug round toys for train entertainment and generally pander to his every whim . Love him really, obviously. Found a few great fabric contenders for my wedding dress, and some other dressmaking fabrics, so I'm hoping to get time to whip myself up a really simple summer dress this afternoon. Now all I need is a BFP so there's some chance I won't be pregnant by the wedding. It's so bloody unrelaxing, as even on the off chance I get a BFP, I can't really get excited about dressmaking etc, as I'll just be waiting for it all to go wrong.

Ah, for the simple days before MC, when a BFP was an actual happy occasion.

DG so sorry for BFN. I would say all the usual things about it ain't over till it's over, but you are so in touch with what your body's doing that I suspect you know whether or not there's a chance.

Tigger I'm not a huge believer in homeopathy (although I'm also not entirely a non-believer), but there's also absolutely no chance it can harm you, so you may as well give it a try before turning to anything more drastic!

I would also find it weird announcing MC details on FB, but I do think being more open about these things is a good thing (although I'm glad that other people are doing the openness, not me!). I do tend to mention it if the subject comes up among friends, as I have found that people often want to discuss it once the ice is broken.

Am on all of CD22 (I think. Something like that) and have managed to avoid even contemplating testing so far. Am v proud of myself. Is 10PO a reasonable time to test? That would be about Tuesday I reckon.

Empty sorry to hear of your troubles. Sometimes the perfect people find life doesn't run as perfectly as they expect it to. (Other times it does but then you just have to bear in mind that they will suffer for it one way or another at some point whether through their inability to deal with difficulties or something else.) I know what you mean about being sick of sex. DH is not but I am.

Barren what blood tests are you waiting for out of interest? We've just gone through the initial tests of checking if I'm ovulating and dh's sperm count - both ok. If RTD comes then I get to have an hsg as well. I'm terrified of the thing. It sounds horrible although I'm trying to psyche myself up with the thoughts of

1. Maybe I'm pg (unlikely)
2. If they do this maybe they will find something wrong maybe caused by the erpc which they could fix
3. Even if they find nothing wrong it's meant to clear out your tubes and help getting pg that way.

I'm also considering trying homeopathy since it does often work for me. I posted on another thread about hayfever remedies and even went to the GP and got piriton but then found the right homeopathic remedy and life is livable again. I saw there was one recommended for low libido and lack of interest in sex and another for anxiety so I guess I'll give the friendly pharmacists at nelson's a call if RTD strikes.

And before anyone says it's all a scam, conventional medicine seems to have nothing to offer, I've tried accupuncture and dietary adjustments, vitamins etc so there isn't much else left.

Bessie a friend of mine stopped ovulating after her 2nd mmc and the doctor had prescribed her clomid but said to take a pg test before taking and she did and got a BFP so don't give up all hope.

I hope the morning brings better news for all of us and lots of BFPs.

I wish I'd had the guts to tell people about it - I had to tell my boss and it turned out she'd had two herself (and three kids as well) so she completely understood and was massively supportive.

On the flip side, the next f*cking idiot who asks me when I'm going to have kids, biological clock ticking etc etc is going to get the full story plus gory details because, like most people on here, I am SO pig sick of people asking me that. Grrrr, bad day today. I think we need:

lemon and honey for delilah

a new zipper for batteryhen

hugs for loopy and

a bucket of fresh haddock for digi to throw at other people in revenge

digi Sorry about BFN - we had crossed posts x

PS batteryhen your predicament made me larf... bet you were not laughing at the time though! Enjoy your ball - how lah--di-dah!

sorry about BFFNs digi. Arsicles.

She is a very open person - I knew she had a MMC last week - so it wasn't a shock to read her stataus. I know I just coudn't be doing with all the sympathy from people. Everyone is different though

muse you're not idiot, just pg. Therefore diminishing brain ability (better get used to it!).... another scan for you next week? Exciting stuff.

you're your. Am idiot.

And I wouldn't be able to be so open, so I do understand you're about it. I just wish I was more open.

I actually think you're friend is very brave to be public about it. If people are open about it then hopefully when someone else goes through it they'll know it's not just them. There's so much silence around pregnancy loss and I think it makes it much more difficult.

People are often open about other medical issues, why not miscarriage?

Hello

Well,here in the hen coop, we have had a rather manic time. We are off to a ball tonight so yesterday I got my dress on, tried it on, it fits however, zipped it up, zip got stuck and couldn't get out of the damn thing. Cue lots of giggling from DP and myself. Dp had the idea of oiling to zip, but we had no WD40 so I used...... Durex pinacolada lube . Still didn't work - so DP grabbed the zip with some pliers. Now it's never good when you have to be helped out of a dress by a pair of pliers. Anyway the zip broke completely - so I have had a morning of panic, but all sorted now

On another matter, my friend has had a MMC at 8 weeks - had ERPC this week - and has announced it on face book . Status's like how she is bleeding and emotional etc. Does anyone else think thats a bit odd???

Right I need to go and make myself presentable for tonight. Have a top weekend everyone, sorry not to name check but I have rambled enough! xx

Thanks for all the fish slapping. unfortunately it didn't seem to stop me from testing yesterday morning and this morning. All bfns, so have now accepted I am not pregnant this cycle, despite lots of 'symptoms' that stupidly got my hopes up. Lots of cramping 7-10dpo, sensitive nips, ravenous hunger. None of which I had last cycle.

Am now merely irritable and really exhausted, and have that familiar back ache so will stop testing as all hope has gone out the window. I suppose I should be grateful that this cycle is on course to be shorter than my WTF cycle. But I still feel cheated that I've only had two eggs in the last 3.5 months.

Ah Loopy can I give you a v quiet (((hug))? We all know how you feel, MC absolutely suck. When I got my 1st positive back in Feb, I went and wrote all the dates in my diary (12 weeks, EDD, etc) and seeing them is like a kick in the teeth, reminding me where I should have been.
Treat yourself gently.

MrsGMack I have always thought accupunture a load of old cobblers, but I have seen so many people raving about it I am half tempted to give it a go. How did you find your accupuncturist?

bessie Is agnus catus supposed to help balance progesterone? I have never taken it myself, hopefully there will be someone with a bit more of a clue around soon.

emptyshell Nothing anyone can say will make you feel better. I know from bitter experience. Please just look after yourself, and your DH.

AFM - got a hideous cold, sore throat, headache etc. I have taken paracetamol, but am going to avoid the usual Lemsip/Night Nurse I would take just in case.

Zita West is the pretty much the go-to fertility expert, along with Emma Cannon, author of the baby making bible www.emmacannon.co.uk

I've read books from West and Cannon.

My acupuncturist is Zita West trained and I really rate her One session had me so relaxed I fear I may have snored during a session

When I was in labour my son, the only pain relief I had was the magic needles.

just popped in to check how everybody is - lovely to see yet more BFPs! (congrats to you all!)

barren am somewhat jealous of your 8 weeks of drinking & SWoutI. these days I only drink when I have RTD and it's a weekend! (which reminds me: glug glug glug )

empty I have similar Christmas dread. SIL wants us all to drive to the other side of the country to spend the whole of the holidays with them & their 3 month old baby. my EDD was 28 Dec. Thankfully DH isn't keen on spending that long there, so we've got out of it by saying we'll just go for a couple of days at new year.

I know your just venting, but please don't assume that everyone with a baby on board sticker has had it easy... friends of mine have gone through multiple cycles of (self funded) IVF & egg donation before they got their DCs....

oh, and sick of sex? ugh, tell me about it... Perhaps a couple of months "off" like barren suggests would be a good idea? Regardless of whether the best or worst case scenario happens, you & your DH need to have a strong relationship to help each other through it all!
My Dr & acu lady both told me to have a couple of cycles off after the MC "to let my body heal". While we didn't actually TTA we haven't really been TTC all that hard & it's made things alot better having the pressure taken off for a bit. It turns out it would have been a waste of time anyway, as I haven't O'd for the last 2 cycles anyway.

hopefully - everybloddy body at any toddler group these days is pg or has very small child in tow (someone at our class was rolling out playdoh for toddler while bf FFS!) I had a bit of a wobble last week when the annoying woman at another class announced she was pg... held it together until I got home (I am not going to cry in front of DD) DH asked me what the matter was, so I told him...... and nothing... he didn't even acknowledge I had said anything. When I asked him about it later he said there was no point him saying anything because there wasn't anything he could do about it.

deliah - drink until it's pink! (i.e. you get a BFP!) I find it easiest if I don't say anything about not drinking. Get a glass of wine & loose it on the way to the loo (a waste I know) sneakily get yourself a lime & soda & pretend it's a G&T. An accomplice can make things easier - DH will swap wine glasses with me. Oh, and get everyone else drunk - makes them less likely to notice!

hairy - I want your cheat sheet too!

the next time someone does the list can you put me at cycle 3 UCL31 CD3?

I had some blood tests done this cycle & I have slightly low-ish thyroid & progesterone. Need to have them re-tested to double check, but unless they go lower the Dr won't do anything about them. Does anyone know any ways (diet/vits/etc) to increase them?

sorry I can't name check anyone else, this post is way too long already

Hi all, just popping in to say congrats to magic8 top news and mucho pleased for you love.

dorcas and wyg what lovely news on your scans least now you can relax and hopefully start to enjoy it all (a little at least)

empty sorry you are feeling shitty honey, I can empathise with you on the ttc taking forever (and the wanting to brick some windows!) You'll probably hate me for saying this but can you give yourself a break for a month or two (from the gym, folic acid etc etc) and say f*ck it for a bit? Go easy on yourself mate, we've been at it for two years now with 3 m/c and now tests, it's bollocks and so hard not to let it take over your every waking thought. Push it to the bottom of the list, however hard it will be and try and focus on you and DH x

Had our first appointment with consultant on Monday and both had bloods taken, they said results would take about 8 weeks and in the meantime to not TTC seems like a lifetime but at the end of the day I suppose it's not so bad. I suppose it's 8 weekends of having vino and bbq's in the sun

Hope everyone else is well, have a good weekend. I'm off to bed after a 24 hour shift so I'm kernackered.

I'm fed up. Dreading Christmas because hubby's perfect sister is planning a family, the in-laws are expecting the joyful announcement by Xmas time and she's perfect so of course she'll manage it. Then the baby talk will be unescapable because his mum rings every week, and I can't even avoid talking to her cos she likes to chat to me as well and it'll all be horrifically painful.

Three flipping years of this crap - then the bloody miscarriage, and because of my weight, the NHS has forgotten me - I keep up the front and the bravado but I'm pretty much teetering along at rock bottom again.

I would go for a swim, clear my head a bit - but the pool changing rooms are always full of very very smug mummies trying to have the most worthy and stimulating conversation with their babies - all for the benefit of the other mummies in the audience so done at full volume and completely inescapable. I've lost three stone and more dress sizes than that - yet not even good enough for a straight answer from the NHS about what's wrong with me which is all I ask for. Sick of the gym, sick of the blooming Xenical, sick to death of folic acid in hopefulness after three years, sick of bumps and babies everywhere, I want to throw bricks through car windows with baby on board stickers because they're basically a glowing neon sign to me "WOO HOO LOOK AT ME - OUR SPERM AND EGGS WORK - WORSHIP WORSHIP WORSHIP MY FERTILITY!!!!"

Most of all - I'm sick of the blooming sex.

Oh Hopefully its so frustrating and sad and difficult, all these pregnancy announcements. We're here for you and know exactly how you feel.

Pretty maybe you did ovulate but DP's swimmers have just hijacked your EWCM? That's what I keep telling myself

And to everyone else on the 2WW I've got a bucket of squid still in reserve just in case you need it (although I'll probably need some myself next week)

deliah don't test and then you can drink because I think it's okay to drink until its implanted (but I'm no medical expert)

PV - You're being a loon. In fact, I suspect the excitement of yesterday's Take That news has gone to your head, missus.

Am also v jealous you're already 6dpo given we're on exactly the same day of our cycle. I'm only 1dpo, so have another 13 days of boob proddage to go.

Hurrah to all those who have had positive scans - terrific news.

xxxx

Hopefully well done for not stressing and caving in to the two weeks of lunacy

Sorry to hear you're being stalked by wimmin that are preggers.
I know what you mean with plans too.
Ours was baby first, wedding then house.
I had dreams that we would be taking a 12-18 month to Cuba with us and it toddling up the beach aisle before me wearing linen or a pretty dress.
We've been trying for over 2 yrs, continued MC and I was trying to break a record by working my way through the medical dictonary so I've come to accept it's really not going to happen in that order.
The Cuban wedding is now on back burner and we are eventually buying the house

But hey ho, I've more than many so until I get some more I'm happy with my lot.

Can you let me in on how you go about that non stressing malarkay please as I'm approx 6dpo (if I even did O )
and I've convinced myself somethings going on.

That is not possible is it?
According to Pregnology OV calender it could not have even implanted yet. (D20)?
Although I may have OV'd earlier
Tell me that I'm being a loon.

It was a long time on that bench and I think it's done things to my poor Brian.
He's a little addled but I'm sure he'll be fine next month

Morning all,

hopefully I hope this is our month - I am sorry you're feling crappy at the moment. 2 of my friends have announced on facebook this week that they are about 16 weeks pregnant. I want to shout 'well I would have been 27 weeks by now ' I know its not a competition but still

I am also holding off testing - I am also CD 20 and DPO5, so far too early. Thing is DP is here this weekend, so wanted to test when he is here, otherwise I will end up testing on my own next week - providing I can hold out that long!

digi I too fear you have been hit my many a flying fish, so I will offer up a raw prawn and see what you make of that

delilah - go- have a good time with friends, the fact that you wont be able to test might be good ?? (who am I kidding - I am thinking of testing on DPO7 for gods sake

I am proud not necessarily because I won't test early (we all know I will ) but because I have made it to CD20 without obsessing over the 2WW and working what the earliest date I could test is.

Had minor meltdown last night - went to a new toddler group yesterday and literally about 50% of the mothers there (with toddlers similar ages to DS) were pregnant, including a good friend who announced she is 14 weeks. Managed to hold it together till I saw DP. It's just so bloody unfair - I was the first of all my mummy friends to be PG with DC2, and now I'm (apart from one who is also trying) the last of those who intend to have number 2 to not be PG .

Just feels so crap that all these grand plans we made - small age gap, have a 1 year old by the time got married, be ready for DC3 if we decided to do that etc etc, have just been squashed from a great height. Grrr.

Sorry, just having a minor mememe moment.

dorcas wyg congratulations, you give the rest of us hope.

digital I fear too many fish have been thrown at you.. how about a mollusc or two?

I am having the when to test dilemma myself. I am off on a short break on 9dpo for 3 nights. Too early, but I am not sure I can wait until we get back. Even worse, it is with friends, who will notice if I don't drink.
We are taking my car though, so I am hoping to volunteer to do a lot of the driving