The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club - Only a few more to find!

And yes MrsH he is very handsome. Ooh PnM its so exciting. I lurve my pupkids .

Aw, hours of fun.... I have just discovered Patterdale Terriers...Here. I would def get Joe if I didn't already have two! Just showed him to DP and he said that I wasn't allowed . Just as well!

I've always rather fancied one of these.
They have such sweet funny faces.

OMG...so sweet, I want him... ]

How cute am I??

ooh, PnM let me help . I lurve finding pupdogs!!...one sec...

Well you were no help whatsoever Bucky

Today I have mostly been hunting down the perfect doggy to join our family. Can't have a child? Why not buy a dog - that is my cure all! In fact, randomly, when I told my mum about the mc, her first comment was "oh darling, thats so sad, you should definitely get a dog now".

I will probably procrastinate for months about this though.... Found a beautiful 2yr old x lab with a bad heart murmur. Then I thought long and hard and realised I didn't want to bring anymore sadness into this house. But now I feel bad for 'Athena' (interesting name )

Total waffle.

Best get on with the work I failed to do today....

Well I can't help PnM, here I am under piles of work, peeking out to take a look at MN!! Very diligent....NOT. .

I have officially cheered up. Not sure what was up with me last week, maybe the moon was in a weird place?

MrsH Sorry you are walking funny . Hope the weeks fly past till your bundle of joy arrives!

Big shout out to everyone else...xx

Gahhhhhh, somebody give me a kick up the arse.

I've done precisely NO work today and can't seem to motivate myself at all.....

MrsH someone's asking after you here

Morning ladies

PnM I think you're right about the IUI - you can go and find out but you don't have to make any decisions about anything just yet. That's exciting about China, but I'd also be quite nervous. I've never been there but everyone I know who has been (including a sister and one of my best friends) have really enjoyed it.

MrsH I posted on that thread, but I felt a bit bad as my understanding is that low sperm count is pretty untreatable so assisted conception is by far the best choice. Am sure she's hoping for more of the "we were told this but magically conceived anyway" type posts! I really hope courgette is getting ready to make an appearance. I know you went over with your DD, but I've heard that's common in first pregnancies but not as common in second pregnancies (certainly true in my own limited experiece of friends and family). Am sure by this stage you're getting sick of people giving you tips on how to bring on labour! I'll be checking the thread regularly for news from you

Big waves to everyone else

Evening all,

Am hoping for an early arrival MrsH of little courgette to put you out of your pain - feel for you! Pleased to hear that your bp dropped back down again though, you just try and keep it that way!

Loving the bargain buying Caitni, glad to find another person with a storage obsessed husband! If its got doors or drawers my husband wants it - he loves to 'hidey' things (x between hide and tidy). Which film did you go to see? I went to see Fame last night - it was rubbish!!

Hi Levi, really sorry to hear about arrival of period. You're entitled to be as maudlin as you like for as long as you like! And nice work on climbing Snowdon! Very impressed - climbed it bout 100yrs ago when I was a teenager, not sure I could manage it now tho....

Did I see right on fb Ei? That you have a new job? If yes, thats fantastic - well done you! Have you started it yet? And yes, Clomid would def be a turn around but it sounds like you're feeling more positive? Taking Clomid wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Just the odd mood swings and hot flushes.

Pleased to hear Jollycub welcomed you home so nicely JB thats very cute!

How are you doing Bucky? Treatment starts soon, how you feeling bout it all?

I'm feeling a lot more philosophical about everything at the moment. Think it was just that it took 3yrs to get a positive test so there was an awful lot of hope invested in that wee stick.

We've decided we will go to the meeting about IUI on thurs, just to understand what its all about. Not sure whether we'd ever go through with treatment though. Thats a decision too far for us at the moment.

Have also found out I'm off to China in a couple of weeks for work. Which makes the decision whether or not to have a month off ttc redundant as will prob be away for most of November anyway. Am a little scared of going though - anybody been before??

Hi to all not mentioned personally, am on phone and battery about to give up. Hope you're all ok xx

Caitni just a quickie to say could you have a quick look at this thread? I think I remember you doing lots of research into all of this gubbins a while ago and you might be able to help the OP.

Hope everyone is well. My pelvis is killing me so I would love courgette to get a wriggle on, bu it could be nearly 4 more weeks. Arg!!

Levi so sorry your period showed up . It's so gutting. And don't worry about complaining - I used to be so upset when my showed up (though I spot before my period so always had my meltdown a few days in advance of proper flow...and of course spent months trying not to obsessively google implantation bleeding think it was implantation bleeding). But good to hear the weekend is shaping up - well done on Snowdon! I stayed near it camping at easter but we never actually made it up

MrsH OK, I was actually laughing out loud at the thought of your DD leaving home because of a grumpy mummy . I bet she's loving having you around (and watching ceebeebees!). That must have been worrying about your BP but I'm glad it's behaving itself and is back down to a safe level. I really hope your baby girl shows up soon [fingers crossed emoticon]

Ei clomid would be an exciting option - keep us posted about whether you pursue it. Though hopefully your cycle will stay regular and you'll get a sticky bean soon xxx

PnM thinking of you and your DH and hope you're doing OK xxx

Bucky hope you're feeling a bit better (retail therapy is always A Good Thing) and that you're having a good weekend. Not long now til you start the IVF. Do you start downregging next weekend or is it the injections (can't remember ). I really didn't like the downregging (I had this sniffy drug that tasted rank)...

JB I was also giggling at your DH and I'm glad your DD was all smiles when she saw you again (must be so lovely ). You've remembered right, we're not finding out, so lots of shades of cream/yellow. I'm currently obsessing about cots...I think I'd like a bedside cot as that's about as close to co-sleeping as I could manage I think (I just don't think I could sleep at all with a newborn with me!).

Waves to Readyforno2 and MOB and GG (if you ever lurk xx). Went to an NCT nearly new sale this morning and picked up some bargains (gro bags for a couple of quid, a little bath seat thingy for two quid, a toy storage unit thing my DH fell for - he's obsessed with storage ).

Anyway, off to the cinema (exciting!) as after watching other people booze last Sat I really can't face the pub!

You're entitled to complain, Levi. The day your period shows up is always the worst I reckon, all those hormones , cramps etc on top of the disappointment. Glad the weekend is going ok - and yes, you can cheer yourself up by drinking lots. I would love a glass of nice champagne right now but it plays havoc with my heartburn! So maybe you could have one for me?

Thanks, MrsH. Sorry about whinging - I know it's not that bad, it's just I was full of hope, for no good reason, this month. Hope you're having a tolerable weekend and aren't too fed up with this stage - it will all change pretty soon!

Hope you're ok, PnM and managing to forget about it all this weekend (if that's what you want to be doing).

Waves to JB, Caitni, Eis and everyone else!

Just climbed Snowdon, which was fun even though 90% of the walk was in cloud and drizzle. And going out to a nice pub near my parents' place with them, DH and friends tonight (and can drink - sounds trivial, but a small silver lining to not being PG!) so it's turning into a good weekend. Shall stop being maudlin immediately. Hope everyone else is having a bit of R&R this weekend.

Levi I'm sorry your period has shown up. I hope you have a good time with your parents.

Ei clomid would be a change of direction for you! I really hope it turns out to be a wonder drug for you if you do decide to go down that route.

Jollybear That's lovely that the cub gave you a nice reception when you got back . I just used to melt when DD behaved like that (of course now that she is 3 going on 12 she is far too cool to act like she cares about her old mum)!

I hope you're managing to shake off the glums, Bucky. Surely a visit to Paperchase is the cure for all ills?

PnM how are you bearing up, poppet? Any more thoughts on IUI?

Caitni how's the bump? Are you feeling well and still liking the Whit?

I am a bit fed up now and rather horrified at the idea that I could have as much as 4 more weeks of this! Yesterday my BP appeared to have shot up (arg- shades of DD's birth) but the midwife came around today and confirmed it is back to a very respectable 115/68, so I will live! Now I just need to get this baby out before I become so utterly bad-tempered with DD that she leaves home...

Nothing like what PnM is going through but did get AF today of course and feeling very blue. Have to socialize and see my ever-expectant-of-news-of-grandchildren parents this weekend too. Anyway will come back in a more positive mood soon -just a little cathartic MN howl... (Thanks wipes eyes and blows nose)

hi ladies
PnM im so sorry this has happened i hope you are doing ok and i am around if you need a chat/shoulder to cry on xx message me on FB if you need to chat and i can send you my number if you want xxx {{{{{{{higs}}}}}}
bucky sorry to hear you are feeling down any particular reason or is it the pre-ivf sullens?? feel entirely free to vent etc as there are a fair few who have the knowledge here as you know xx(not me yet obv but im here to listen and support as always xx) hope you are feeling better soon
levi its a well thought-of 'fact' that many women get their BFP as soon as IVF is seriously considered so dont rule anything out good luck and i hope AF stays away
hi to everyone else
nowt new here except we are seriously considering the clomid option... its such a jump from last month when we were taking a break but who the F cares haha we will see though and il keep you posted on what we decide
xx ei xx

Hello everyone,

PnM I'm so sorry . It is good to know that you had a supportive nurse with you, I imagine that made things more bearable. It is a awful thing for any couple to go through but it sounds like your DH is letting his emotions out which can only be a good thing. Have you taken some time off work? MrsH's suggestion of having some counselling at the clinc is a good idea, it would help you decide whether to go ahead with the IUI right away or not.

Please do come here and vent your feelings. It is hard to discuss miscarriage in real life, people don't know what to say. On here, we might not know what to say either but we can provide a listening ear and try our best to offer support.

Bucky Sorry to hear you are feeling down. I did like your posts on your shopping trip. I always want a dog at this time of year, I love tramping through copper coloured woods with a hound by my side. I have to borrow my mums at the moment and it isn't the same!

MrsH I bet your DD LOVED watching Cbeebies, to her you are the best mother going for letting her watch TV! You'll be out pushing a pram before too long.

Caitni The buying stuff stage is fun! I spent many hours pouring over what to get. Are you going for shades of cream? You aren't finding out the sex are you?! I might have misremembered!

Levi I love a bit of symptom spotting . Things obviously feel a bit different from normal so you never know. What is the course you are starting? I agree with what the others said about postponing the app so you don't miss the start of the course. You just have to do what feels right.

DD was very good when I was away - DH on the other hand took the wrong bag to his mums, forgot to take her naptime dummy to nursery etc, it was all written down too!!! DD was so happy to see me when I got back though, it was lovely. Right, back to work...

Oh I'm sorry, PnM - can't imagine what you're going through. Although I've been quite down at times about no conception of any kind ever happening for us it doesn't compare at all to this kind of situation, which is so much harder. (as others have said). I have no idea and less experience than pretty much anyone else on this thread, so don't know whether getting on with the next step is good or bad but at least there are options and if you want the help it's there for you (although I'm sure you've probably waited long enough for it...).

I've been so busy, and commuting, the last few days so haven't even managed to get through to the surgery to make another appointment. Must make sure I do tomorrow, though it's really hard to get hold of the right person. I'm also stupidly holding out hope that I might be PG, for no good reason at all except for the odd twinge in the breasts (you did say I had free rein with the symptom spotting...) and in uterus (well, that general area - I'm so clueless it's probably just IBS!) and thinking they (breasts) might be bigger (which DH disputes - and he'd probably know... - so probably just me/wishful thinking). Certainly nothing that really suggests being up the duff. Anyway, AF due in two days so I'll soon stop this madness. Am luckily distracted most of the time by course starting and lots of work.

Sorry you're also feeling crappy, Bucky - it's a horrible time of year, on top of everything else. Must also be a weird limbo time before things get started. Hang in there.

Positive vibes to everyone, and some hot chocolate/ hearty stew/ mulled wine/ whatever-makes-the drawing-in-of-nights-even-slightly-appealing-for-you-in-particular xx

. I'm not help to you at all PnM as I am more depressing than a depressed thing at the moment, but just know we all understand exactly how you are feeling. I've budged back over so you can come back on the bench (although I know that's the last place you want to be).

I'll message you on FB.

Higs. xx

Oh PnM I'm so so sorry . I'm glad (glad is the wrong word ) that the lovely nurse was with you, a small compensation. I also sobbed through bits of Marley & Me - miscarriage just doesn't get shown/talked about. Hope it was cathartic. Massive (((higs))) to you.

About the IUI, I'd be tempted to go for it. It's obviously up to you, but if I were in your shoes I think I'd just want to go for it. I remember the CP I had last sept (obviously a lot earlier than your miscarriage) and all I wanted was some progress...and come and write/rant on here whenever you want. It's so hard to get RL support and we're here to listen and offer cyber support xxxx

Oh PnM I am sorry that it has not been good news again. But then at least the miscarriage is complete, so you can move on and try again if that is what you want to do. And your poor DH, too. My husband never seemed all that bothered when I had all that trouble last year, but then I guess in the circs he was probably just glad I was ok. Sometimes I think maybe they just don't show it or are able to forget most of the time...

I don't know if your fertility clinic offers counselling, but if they do it might be worth looking into? I just think sometimes it is good to have as many outlets as you can - and they might have some practical tips to help you both deal with this awful shitty run of luck you've been having.

Hugs to both of you.

Morning,

Symptom spotting is what we [used] to do best Levi so carry on - we'll speculate with you! Hope they surgery gave you a more suitable appt time?

Am liking the sound of the hoodie Bucky - I appear to be living in them at the moment, not enjoying the winteriness (is that a word!?).

I'm sure DD is enjoying herself MrsH, that's what cbeebies is for isn't it? To give parents a break!

I was quite surprised as the fertility nurse came along to my scan - she must do both EPAU and fertility. She was the same nurse who dealt with me during my last miscarriage and is genuinely lovely so was a relief to see her.

The dildocam showed that the miscarriage was complete - which is good as no repeat appts needed. They put me at 6 weeks, same as last time.

Spent yesterday feeling sorry for ourselves and then made the mistake of watching 'Marley and Me'.... Haven't ever seen my husband cry so much, think it just triggered something in him. I feel so sad and useless that I can't give my husband the one thing he desperately wants in life.

The one good thing to come of this is that the fertility nurse checked up where I am on the IUI list and it seems I'm at the top. So we've been invited to a meeting next thurs to discuss options. Although she did say she would understand if we weren't ready for it, that she could have a one on one meeting in a few weeks if we wanted.

Sorry to waffle on here, I just don't get a huge amount of support in RL from friends - they're great but don't really understand. This is cathartic writing it all down....