The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

Feel like I'm prob waffling to myself a little here but if anybody's about check out my totally nonsensical chart. Tis all over for yet another month for me but looks like the egg never even made an appearance. Woohoo for totally wacked cycles and [sarcastic emoticon]

Hiya Caitni - I'm not going to say anything about your being on cd27 but will be quietly crossing my fingers until saturday for you.

Not sure if its of any use to you (or anybody else) but I found the following article the other day which I thought was extremely concise and easy to follow. I'm on a health kick at the moment as feel like a whale and have had difficulty finding a healthy diet recommended for vegetarians who are ttc. Any other plans I've found have been far too extremist for me but this just lays it out (all common sense but its nice to have it written in front of you!).

Totally agree with Caitni, wrt the age gap MrsH. Children don't know any different - I never really thought about my sister being 3 years older than me, she just was. Having watched my SIL with her 3 under 3 I'm 1) in awe of her ability to function like a normal human being and 2) fully sure that 3 so close in age is, personally, not something I would ever like - the eldest went from princess to having to grow up fast when middle child came along (she was 1.2yrs). Middle child then missed his 'babydom' when youngest was born (he was only 1.2yrs). But then again, they know no different so its normal to them.

How are you doing at the moment MOB? Hope those boys are behaving themselves

Hope you're having a fab time away GG?

How is little Alfredo doing DG?

Hi Bucky if you're lurking - feel free to come squark with me about ov anytime, however boring it may be - I'm totally sick of my own stories as well (as I'm sure are most of you!).

Must get on with work - I'm just so unmotivated today!!

Hi ladies

PnM what an absolutely horrible and insensitive way your DH's friend's wife behaved - . She sounds utterly self absorbed. Hope that you had a good long w/e otherwise though. And hope that you don't have to see this woman again for a very long time.

DigiG sounds like you had an amazing midwife! That's the sort of care I'd like

MrsH I think the gap between your DD and your new baby will be lovely. I think the most important thing abotu age gaps is that the parents are happy with it (as then the kids will be) so am glad you're feeling good about it .
Ei hope you're doing OK.

GG Hope you're having a good holiday!

Waves to Bucky MOB and anyone I've forgotten.

Having a bit of a weird time here. Am on CD 27 and (TMI alert) just spotting lightly when I rummage (nothing when I wipe). My cycle is usually 23 days (sometimes 24 days, once 25 days) so the only other time I got to this stage was the CP back in September. I haven't tested yet though as I can't face a BFN. I also can't face a faint positive, as when AF gets here I'll be popping the pill for IVF and don't want any sadness to deal with when it's been hard enough at times to get my head around the IVF . So I'm just trying to tell myself that AF will arrive soon and that my body is just being cruel . I've told DH that I'll wait until Sat before testing.

I've been avoiding MN in my attempt to not think about this. But I bet that just by posting this AF will arrive!

Helloooo-ello-llo-o [echo]

Hope you all had lovely bank holidays?

I managed to be in a stinking mood for the Sunday and Monday due to some really hideous wife of DH's friend who came over on the Sat for a BBQ and insisted on talking babies the whole time. I mean literally, the whole time.

What made it worse was that this couple knows what we're going through (the husband is one of DH's best friends), yet still she persisted . They've only just got married and she's obsessed with the idea of becoming pregnant - she's also a nanny so her whole world revolves around kids. We were talking careers/money/houses etc and she said "oh, but what will you do when you have children" (in ref to my travelling for work) so I replied "well we've put our life on hold for so long and it still hasn't happened so its time to try and make something of my career instead" to which she replied "oh, how odd, well when it does happen will you send them to a nursery or get a nanny" - sorry, did you not just HEAR what I said?!!??!

I didn't know how else to put it so I said "after 4 years of waiting for it to happen, it hasn't so the decision between nanny vs nursery really isn't very high on my agenda atm" and stalked off to the kitchen.

At one point, the conversation was no where near children/babies etc, she suddenly came out with "oh, another thing thats good for when you're pregnant is to take Arnica" wtf??? I don't doubt that it is extremely good but I AM NOT PREGNANT LADY AND NEITHER WILL I BE ANYTIME SOON. So now all DH's friends probably think I'm the size of a hippo because I am 'with child' but when in fact all I am growing is a food baby. Fab.

Grrrrrrrrr

So, that off my chest, how is everyone else

How are you feeling Ei? Have been thinking about you these past few days. Hope you're getting some rest and you and your DH are ok? xx

Best go do some work but hi to all and everybody x

MrsH I think that's a perfectly respectable gap (there's 6 years between me and my Dsis which I think is too much). I had such a brilliant midwife who actually read my birthplan and allowed me to remain upright, waited for contractions to finish before examining me and at no point asked if I wanted an epidural even though I was screaming the place down (I'd written I would only want to consider an epidural if I'd been labouring 24 hours plus). Mind you I had a textbook labour, waters broke spontaneously, contractions started, DS's heartbeat did very well throughout the entire thing so there was never any risk.

Sorry for the thread hijack. Hope all you Wimbewaifers are keeping well.

DG it will be 3 years and 4 months. Quite a bit bigger a gap than we were hoping for but, as I say, now we are here it seems like a good gap. I don't think having a second baby will make anything easier, since then you have to spend all of your time making sure DC1 does not kill DC2...

The Active Birth Centre is near the Whitt and they do ante-natal classes, yoga etc. They sound a bit hippy dippy, so I was wondering if it would do for a cynic (attempting to convert though) like me!

I am booked in at the Whitt too, but if they don't agree to let me VBAC my way I think I may just stay at home!! Post natal care is always a bit dodgy I think but a friend of mine who had a good delivery at the Whitt tells me that someone appeared very often to help her lift the baby. Contrast this to QC where I was left with a catheter in to cope with DD alone after my section while vomiting green stuff and the whitt sounds far superior! It is a grim building though and gives me the heebie jeebies...

Hope everyone is ok.

MrsH what will the gap be between your DD and lo? Today I was thinking, wouldn't it be nice for Alfredo to have a little sibling to play with - then I wouldn't have to sit here on this playmat when I have so many chores to do today...but I don't think having a second baby necessarily makes it easier to get chores done!
I went to Whittington Hospital, pre-labour ward refurbishment so I don't know what it looks like now. The labour ward midwife was brilliant and very encouraging. I couldn't have asked for a better 'delivery service'. If Alfredo hadn't developed jaundice I probably would have been happy with the post-natal ward too. As it turned out I ended up staying a second night, depressed because I was having to bottle-feed and not being given enough breastfeeding support. But I imagine second time round I'll be a lot more confident being left in charge of a newborn and the post-natal ward will be the least of my worries.
Are you referring to the Active Birth Centre in Edgeware? If so StarlightMcKenzie (from my ante-natal thread) went there and had a brilliant experience. You could ask her about it, I'm sure she'd be happy to share.

DG I am not due until the end of October. I've been meaning to ask you, did you go to the Active Birth Centre and if so what did you make of it?

I know what you mean about wanting a second but it being a bit soon. We started trying for DC2 when DD was about 10 months old and although it has been a looong wait with hindsight I am quite glad it has been a longer process. DD knows about the baby and is actively interested in buying baby things, finding a name etc. She understands what is going on (if not what it will be like living with a baby!) and will have had a good long time being the centre of the universe before I go and ruin that for her! I have a friend who is about to have her second so she will have two under two and to be honest the thought of that now makes me quake!!

EI glad to hear things are moving along, hope you're at least feeling physically better.

MrsH and MOB when are you ladies due? I've been very sloppy and not lurked as consistently as I've been meaning to.

And not quite planning number 2 yet, although part of me would love love love to and there's that theory that you're more fertile in the first 12 months after giving birth, so might cut out a lot of the frustration I had when ttc first time round. Reasons for putting it off: I have plundered my savings on this maternity leave and am back to freelancing so have no juicy benefits to fall back on; am only just back into my skinny jeans; Alfredo still wakes in the night 3-4 times a week; am still breastfeeding so cycle still all over the place; would like to enjoy Alfredo on his own a bit more.

caitni Must be so strange for you to be taking the pill. I've still got packets left from over two years ago.
I'm actually really enjoying getting back to work, I'm working part-time partially from home and only going into the office for meetings and stuff, so no hanging around unnecessarily. I don't think I'm destined to be a SAHM.

Anyway...supposed to be working. Funny how I spend even more time on MN when I'm busier.

Oh Ei I'm so sorry to hear you've lost this one . I can't believe you've had to suffer another m/c . It's good that you're being proactive about the tests but still...sending you massive [hugs]

MrsH I think it's perfectly understandable to have not kept up with old friends entirely but it's great that you can now move on from the "bubble phase" of struggling to conceive (I tried to get out of my self-absorbed bubble after Christmas when I realised that my little sister hadn't told me she was pregnant til 11 weeks so as not to upset me. Made me fee but actually made me feel for being so wrapped up in our own problems!). Your DD is very funny about not wanting to share but I think she'll love it!

MOB glad to hear the chicks can stay put - they're being such good boys already

GG sorry to hear things are manic at work but hope you have a good holiday. I'm well at your Belgium/France adventures. Enjoy the wine!

Bucky fingers crossed for good test results for you both. It's good that things are moving along for you. Hope work eases up for you, but at least it helps time pass quickly.

DigiG hope the return to work hasn't been too much of a shock, but bet your DS is loving granny's!

And waves to PnM RF2&3 JB and anyone I've missed.

So I picked up my prescription for the pill this morning - now just need to wait for my period to arrive so I can start (due sometime over the next few days, I've not been calendar watching so a bit hazy about it). Such a strange feeling but hey ho...all my little seedlings are thriving and we're having a BBQ on Sunday so plenty to distract me...

Ei I wish I could give you a RL hug too. It's good that you are finding things to be proactive and upbeat about but I know how tiring and infuriating successive losses can be and I wish I could make it easier for you. I hope Mr Ei is ok and is looking after you.

Bucky 'tis ok, I ran out of things to post about my cm a while before I got this BFP. Blood tests sound like a positive step though.

MOB I am glad the consultant was happy with your scan results. Honestly they seem to get a bit excited about something in every pregnancy. The fact that yours is twins surely means that it'll get a bit of extra attention! Actually, I hate all the tests cos I end up feeling like if you look for something wrong you will find it eventually, but better safe than sorry where the chicks are concerned.

GG I hope you had fun on your trip.

DG Good to hear that Alfredo is doing well You must be getting ready for number 2 about now?!?

Not much going on here. I've got the midwife coming around soon which should be interesting. DD has this morning informed me that "Daddy thinks I am going to share with the baby but I am not going to share". It's a good thing we have months to educate her on this!

I had a bit of a jolt a couple of days ago. I was at lunch with an old friend who I don't see that often and she told me that another friend is not only pregnant but about to give birth. I had no idea about it, but I guess this just serves to show what a bubble I was living in at the back end of last year and start of this one. I feel a bit guilty for being such a crappy friend but then if she had told me last year that she was expecting and that she was due around the time when ectopic number 2 was due I would have just cried all over the place and then spent weeks apologising... and although it is unreasonable of me, everytime someone got pregnant and was due when I would have been I felt like my baby had been stolen. Stupid, isn't it? So maybe it is just as well I didn't know. But now I have to make much more of an effort to stay up to date with people.

Right, will check in later. Hope you all have lovely weather today.

hi ladies xx
well the news here is its all over (TMI alert) i passed some smallish clots and an odd little ball of clear jelly-like something which was streaked with white. i can give a good guess at what that was and i have also tested and it was a categorical BFN i had my blood taken yesterday by the gynae in LWH which was negative aswell so there we go. im back on the bench now and im a tad pissed off for obvious reasons
i have also quizzed the scanning dept about criteria for HSG and they said that as a 'potential' CP wouldnt have made enough progress then a HSG is still a possibility especially seeing as how it is unconfirmed in their books so im booked in for 8th may at 10.45. i feel like im doing something proactive now especially as DH handed his sample in on tuesday and they took my fsh etc yesterday aswell so progress is being made towards some answers for us
hope everyone else is ok
xx ei xx

When I said squarking about ov, I didn't mean I minded everyone else talking about it incidentally. I just meant that I have now announced about 36 times that I have ovulated and I am tired of my own voice! . Just thought I would clarify that!

Feel guilty that I have been neglecting you all. What with all the ups Caitni and downs Ei I'm sorry I have not chipped in my two pence worth. Ei let us know how you are doing and if the bleeding slowed at all (higs).

Much waving and hugs for everyone else...I have been scarce for a couple of reasons really. 1. Am uber busy and stressed at work, 2. Am a bit confused about life at the moment and the potential 9 month wait has me overthinking life generally as I feel a bit like I am suspended in another dimension waiting for the life that I wanted 3 years ago when all this started and 3. I don't really think I have a great deal to contribute these days. . There is only so many times I can squark on about ovulation and bding (not that i do much of that these days).

Having said all that. I lurk and I think about you all often and send positive vibes your way. In fact I was thinking we should have another meet up soon. Our last one was quite a while ago now no? Can't remember....Maybe I'll send out an invite on FB and we can see how we get on .

DP and I had blood tests this morning and I am waiting for my scan date. The hospital buggered up the admin for my tests and sent me home with all the original forms so nobody knew I was waiting..... So I have sent in the scan appointment form now and have to ring the clinic to make the appointment with the fertility nurse to fill out my funding forms.... Nothing happening quickly over here.

Gotta dash. I have done hardly anything today...and I have LOADS to do.
xx

EI so so sorry , please take care.

GG Alfredo is doing very well. I started work today, so he's been with his grandma all day and not missing me at all!
Your last minute trip to France/Beligum sounds lovely!!

Hope everyone else is ok!

Oh EI That is so so sad I wish I could give you a RL hug. Please remember we are all here for you. Lots of love to you and DH. XXXX

Consultant was happy with the last scan results - so i will see her again next Tuesday after another scan. I was at the hosptital again yesterday for a GTT (to check for diabetes) basically because i am old and fat and carrying twins . What with being there quite often for work as well, it feels like my second home!!

Ei I'm so sorry to hear your news. How are you feeling today? Have you called the hospital? Take care of yourself, xx

picknmix - sorry you didn't get any lines . It does sound as if they ar eanovulatory. Do you have post ov symptoms like tender breasts or anything that could indicate whether you have ov-ed?

hello everyone

another quick post from me. I have been reading everything, but have had no chance to post properly and respond to you all. It's been manic at work and at home and I haven't had a minute to think .

ei - I am so sorry for your news. You must be absolutely gutted and it is so, so hard to deal with. I can really sympathise because it sounds similar to what happened to me a few months ago - a big clear BFP and then I started to bleed and all the disappointment of being so nearly there. I really have my fingers crossed for you and hope it is not the same for you. We're here for you on the thread and HUGE (((((higs)))))). i hope your Dh is being extra lovely to you - I am sure he is

There is absolutely nothing to report with me at the moment. DH and I are off on holiday on Friday for a week. It'a a bit last minute but we both managed to get the time off and we are taking the car and ferry and heading to France/Belgium for a week to drive around and (quite possible ) pop into some vinyards

hello caitni - your sister's children sound adorable! Good practice for you

MrsH - hope you are well and feeling ok and not feelign too sick.

*MOB - I hope your two little fighters are ok and you have good news form the hospital. Thinking of you

Bucky - the invisable woman - come back!

hello digital - how is Alfredo?

big hello to everyone else and sorry for not mentioning everyone by name, but love you all!

Ei I am so so sorry to hear that. I was really hoping this one would stick for you. Huge (((((((higs))))))).

Caitni a mahoosive post indeed! I'm glad that the vits made it and that your DH is impressed with the bottle. They seem to have stopped packaging them like that now so enjoy the extra-medicinal effect of the jar while you can! You'll be to hear that I have managed to kill all of my seedlings already. Yes, one sunny weekend in the propogator and I now have cripsy-fried sweet william seedlings, with a side order or crunchy sage...

MOB did you see your consultant yet? Is all ok?

Hello to all. Hope everyone is well

hi ladies
not good news for me here unfortunately spotting started this afternoon and i have quite bad pains so not good here at all bleeding seems to be getting heavier aswell so im pretty sure its all over before it even got much of a chance to start im going to call the hospital tomorrow to book my hsg and get my bloods done thursday morning i think. im not bothering with the gp as theres no point now im absolutely gutted
xx ei xx

hooray ei

Morning ladies

MrsH thanks so much for the vits and CBD - my DH picked them up on Friday for me as they didn't fit through the door. My DH was gazing at the bottle of vits this morning and sagely told me that the smoky glass effect just makes them look like they'll work . I've decided the CBD hpt can be my lucky test and I'll hold out on using it til the IVF [excited emoticon]. And I bet your daughter's a total treat!

GG hello lady! Hope things are good with you

Ei yay yay yay for the BFP . And from what RFN2&3 says those cheapie tests are the job . I'm delighted for you but shall be keeping my fingers crossed for you that this little bean is burrowing in nice and snugly.

PnM So I guess my ov predicting isn't too shoddy after all (though actually I think it's just cos my own temps are a bit off too so can sometimes guess what FF will say!). Double at your cycles...have you ever been tested for thyroid function? That could be a useful test as hypo-/hyper-thyroidism can impact on cycles/ttc and your GP would have to give you the test if you hoodwink him properly (ie don't talk about your cycles in terms of fertility but as one of a list of symptoms that could indicate thyroid probs...you could even say that you spoke to NHS direct who recommended you ask for a thyroid bloodtest from your GP). I'm a bit at even having to suggest subterfuge like this [honestly, I don't routinely lie to my GP!) but your doc sounds so so rubbish () that you need every trick in the book!!

MOB hope you're doing well. Are you seeing the consultant today? Hope it goes well xxx

Bucky hope you had a good weekend

RFN2&3 hope you're thriving and the twins are going well

Waves to JB (any more teeth for jollycub?) and anyone I've missed.

Well we had an utterly lovely weekend. My little nieces are great fun, so even the odd teary outburst or whatever was fine (comedy moments included the younger one pooing in the bath - she's just turned two and definitely isn't ready for potty training yet!). We went to a children's farm on Sat and then took them to a picnic by the river yesterday (as the thames is at the end of their road). The glorious weather helped .

And my seedlings are starting to come up. Tis quite amazing to follow their progress, especially as when I left on Friday morning there were no courgette seedlings up and when I got back on Sunday night there were two with such big leaves that they look like proper plants already! I'm a convert though am still convinced I'll manage to kill everything in the end .

And my SIL had a baby boy on Friday night - Ultan Xavier, 8lb2oz, with mum and baby doing well (though he may have a heart murmur but the docs are saying not to worry about that apparently). Ultan's a fairly unusual Irish name and Xavier was my dad's middle name. Rather selfishly I was glad they didn't call him Richard!! That was my dad's name and I've wanted to call a son after my dad since I was a little kid. Can you tell I still spend far too much time imagining what we'll call our kids

OK, enough rambling from me. Sorry this is such a massive post!!

sorry i have been absent - there is SUCH a lot to read through

EI!!!!! That is utterly BRILLIANT news for you. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy BFP!!! [gri n]

Ei Yay for another BFP! I'm so glad this one seems to be burrowing in nicely. Fantastic news. .

Caitni I hope you enjoy the babysitting. When you are done, there's a fractious nearly three year old here who could use some attention from someone other than her mother...! It's exciting news that you'll be getting the pill and doing all of that pre-IVF stuff so soon. and hurrah for your AMH result. Sounds like you're good to go to me!

PnM That is a long time to be ttc so I am not surprised that realising that made you a bit , but don't you have your consultant appointment in a couple of months? I'm hopeful that at last someone will pull their finger out for you and get to the bottom of this.

Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend. I have the burps and so am confined to the house so as not to scare the neighbours...