The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

Hi, no you haven't killed the thread PnM. I've just been laying low and waiting to feel less bruised. I just have to remember that what happens to other people is just not relevant to my situation. Holding onto that at least lets me get on with my life, but there are times (like Friday night when I realised that her baby must be due when mine should have been) when I forget to be rational and fall to bits instead.

How is your sister? Has her HPT become less confusing? If it was my sister I would tell her to give me the baby too. In fact, I did offer mine the chance to be my surrogate a month or so back but she didn't seem too keen for some reason!

Did your period turn up? Is your GP going to do blood tests at the beginning of your cycle to check for PCOS? I can't help feeling that this is the start of things coming right for you. I do hope so.

How are those eggs coming MOB? Presumably you have no more than a week of soreness to go before the eggs are collected? I find it all completely fascinating. Really amazing.

Caitni and RFN2 have you got any more points today? I think I may have to become a paying subscriber of FF now I have heard about all the fab things it does.(And I am hoping that under the law of pregnativity (financial outlay / abandoning all hope) x a bit too much alcohol at the conference I am going to = TWINS )
Come one, let's see your chart too RFN2.

I am at about CD4 or so and so not going to be on the wait for a bit. But we have the clinic on Friday (arggghghghg) which I hope will be ok.

oops I killed the thread with my self obsessed rant

Hope everyones ok and has had a lovely weekend?

Hope you're feeling a bit brighter MrsH?

X

Awwwww MrsH no slap needed just more I'm sure if your friend really is a good and kind friend she will totally understand your tears and you are very much allowed to feel that way, you have been through so much this year

If it makes you feel any better I went completely the opposite and fell about laughing hysterically this evening because my sister told me (over the phone) that she did a hpt and she 'thinks' its positive. She is still living at home with my mum, she has just got engaged but not due to marry until 2010. She is in no way wanting a baby at the moment. I ended up telling her how ironic the situation was and maybe she could have the baby and then I would bring it up.

It really was a laugh or cry situation and luckily I had just taste tested some vodka jellies I've made for a party tomorrow night (I am tee-total so just have to sniff alcohol for an affect!) so the laughing option came first.

It has been a ridiculous day all round actually - am definitely CD1, have cramps from hell and went for a bit of retail therapy this afternoon. Sadly managed to [literally] bump into an ex who was looking annoying gorgeous whilst I look like a haggard old housewife (I had the requisite period related spots, slightly greasy hair and a very bloated belly so was wearing 'comfy' jeans)...

Bring on tomorrow 'cos today has been shite!

Caitni loving the theory of pregnativity I think you should write a book!

RFN2 The fact that you have some FF points sound a good sign - hope it is not false hope that it is giving you. Never apologise for moaning - we all need to sometimes.

MrsH Caitni is absolutely right - you definitely need a hug and not a slap. I wish i could magic myself to your side right now and give you a big hug. I would have done exactly the same as you in that situation, and cried as well.

We're going away for the weekend, so i won't be around till Sunday night. I'm feeling a bit tired and sore this evening, but hoping that the scan on Monday will show that the drugs are working - then all the pain will be worthwhile! Have a good weekend everyone. XX

You don't need a slap, you get a big instead. It's possible to be happy for your friend but also for yourself and what might have been this year instead of what was.

Here's a question: what sort of person's response to a good and kind friend telling her that she (the friend) is pregnant is to start crying.

It's a person like me, apparently.[shame emoticon]

It seems terribly unfair - my friend has a child who is much younger than mine. I am honestly really pleased with her but I couldn't hold back the tears. I may well be the biggest bitch alive.

My daughter is now completely confused about why mummy, who has been really happy for two whole days, is hiding in the kitchen crying.

Somebody please slap me.

RFN2 don't feel bad for moaning - sometimes it's the only sane response! It's especially hard when it seems like there are babies & pregnant friends/women everywhere, as it's totally normal to feel - big to you. But 54 pts is great! But I totally understand how terrible it is too IYKWIM (I've got 50 pts now and it's thrilling/evil at the same time). Still though, am going to be keeping my fingers crossed that you are in fact pregnant! Can you post your chart so we can have a look? Sounds like we're nearly cycle buddies and I'd love to see another chart (not that I've been endlessly overlaying my chart on FF or anything ). You set it up the Sharing tab in the left hand menu - select home page set up and, once you've selected the relevant info, it gives you a web address to your chart that you can link to.

to MrsH hope you're having fun times with your DD! Must make a nice change from the office

Hi all x

Well I have just been updating my ff data and it has scored me 54pts on the early pregnancy indicator thingy which is annoying because it has made me hope!

I know that I am not pg, I can tell so I wish it wasnt giving me false hope!! I know full well that af is going to arrive in a couple of days and that I will feel bad again!!

I really want to be pg by xmas but I have a feeling that it isnt going to happen (not sure why just dont feel hopeful)

I think the fact that my halfbrother and his partnerhave just had a baby and that one of my friends is due in 2 weeks is making it seem worse aswell.

Sorry for self indulgent moan

Just a quickie because I am still on child duty but I wanted to say "yay" for Picknmix's referral. Such great news that it has happened so quickly. Just think; a year from now we'll all be babied up!

And loving the law of pregnativity, Caitni.

Back later

Morning all,

MrsH sounds like you had a great day with your DD yesterday - bet you're knackered though as the packed social lives of my nieces never cease to amaze me, I get tired just thinking about all the playdates/ballet/swimming/parks/nursery they do. I hadn't realised this was your first normal period since May. I think your body (and mind) will really benefit from a couple of months of normal cycles, especially as the clinic will be able to do any necessary tests at the same time. And I'll be right with MOB if anyone dares to laugh at our MrsH [scary caitni emoticon]

MOB I'm so glad to hear that you've got a couple of weeks off work, I've heard that's the best thing to do for the week of egg collection/embryo transfer (I learn so much lurking on the assisted conception thread ). Try not to worry too much about the eggies, I bet you'll get some great looking follicles on Monday. And have a great weekend - bet your DD and DS are delighted to be going on half term!

RFN2 I get a lot of CM between ov and AF too. I've heard that it can be a sign of the mucous plug forming though, so fingers crossed that's what it is for you . And I totally agree about how hard ttc seems after sex ed, where I honestly thought I'd get pregnant in a blink of an eye if I missed a pill/condom split or whatever!

PnM sorry to hear that AF's on its way lady but am so glad that your app is on the 13 Nov! That's so close - it's fantastic . Those guidelines are really interesting, so thanks for linking. I bet you do get your BFP soon - according to my official theory of pregnativity (appointment at clinic + new job) x sod's law = pregnancy

So my temp was a bit lower today, and I'm now convinced I'm not pregnant. I know it's not over til AF shows, but my temps are doing what they do every month (I had a good overlay of my older charts on FF to check and it's rather uncanny to see how my temp this morning matches previous 9 dpo temps). The early pregnancy signs indicator (the points thing I mentioned) is a whizzy new feature for the paying subscribers. It's based on a statistical analysis of pregnancy charts, matching your temps and other signs you input to see how likely it is to result in a pregnancy. I'm begining to think it's the devil's own work, as I've been playing around with it (eg add spotting to today and it drops down to 29 points) and think it's been sent to try me! Am glad it's nearly the weekend, as will know by Monday/Tuesday regardless. I've decided to go with the convincing myself I'm not pregnant to avoid getting all excited only to have hopes dashed (again!).

Morning ladies

EI So pleased to hear your DH has a new job already You both must be so relieved. Here's to a lovely fun filled cycle for you

caitni Am very impressed that you have got all those FF points! Must be a good sign, surely? (I never even got one, so i didn't even know they "scored" your chart!!) I shall have a peep at your chart later. Bet you are itching to test ( I would be) going away tomorrow night sounds like a good plan.

MrsH Sounds like you had a lovely day yesterday if exhausting!! Like PnM i hadn't quite realised that it has been one mucked up cycle after another for you - when you outline it like you did i am rather relieved that you didn't get pg this cycle. Your body (and your mind) probably need a couple of "normal" cycles at least just to have a bit of a breather. Please don't think the clinic will laugh at you, or not take you seriously. You have been through such a lot lately, and you are being so sensible in exploring all your options for possible assisted conception etc. If anyone laughs at you I will go and beat them up personally. You need looking after and i'm sure they will.

RFN What you say is so, so true! We spend so much of our lives as women actively avoiding pregnancy - then when we want it it seems so unattainable. I am still hopeful for you this cycle though!

PnM Wow 13th nov!! That's such great news. I'm so excited for you. I had a quick scan of the clinic details - you must tell your DH to get his speedos at the ready - apparently he may have to get in the pool and do a "swim up" test (That's obviously where we've been going wrong - my DH isn't a great swimmer - i should have sent him for swimming lessons, a lot cheaper than IVF ) Sorry - i'm in a silly mood today! I'm liking the idea of the "new year, new job, new baby" thing for you!!

Hope everyone else is ok - including our pregnant ladies, and of course MTW & little Freya. Do you think we should all club together and buy JG some broadband at home It's not the same without her

I now have just over 2 weeks off work, partly because next week is half term for DS & DD, but also so i can concerntrate on the treatment, and not have to worry about work. Injections still going ok. I am only getting the odd twinge, and nothing else really, so i am a bit worried that the drugs aren't working! I can't wait until the scan on monday, when hopefully i can see the follicles growing.

Have a good day everyone.

Evening all,

Have some good news - had a call from the hospital today to offer me an appt at the fertility clinic on 13th November! Amazing - thought we'd be waiting months so 3 weeks is pretty good. Found this info about the clinic which gives a pretty good guide of what we have to expect. Plus the fertility nurse is the lady who dealt with me when I had my mc and she was brilliant so fingers crossed she still works there!

MrsH hope you had a lovely day with dd . When you write down exactly what your body has been through in recent months its actually amazing your cycles aren't more messed up. This is a good time to get your cycle back to 'normal', enjoy you dd and seek information from informed professionals who wont laugh at you because what you are doing is actually probably far more responsible and logical than burying your head in the sand and thinking 'what will be will be'.

And BREATHE PnM!!! Stream of conscience, apologies!

Its still not over for you yet RFN2 and yes, I totally agree, tis amazing the number of times I panicked that I hadn't taken my pill at exactly the right time and made sure other protection was sought 'just in case' when in reality the chances of conceiving were so blinking slim!!! Hope the fairy cakes were tasty!

Yay for the continuing high temps Caitni - good plan re the weekend although do you really think it will stop you obsessing ?!

FAB news about your DH's job Ei, really really pleased for you. Admire your chilled out resolve, sounds like its def the best way forward for you

How was the injection tonight MOB? Am willing those eggs on their journey!! Meant to say last night - I start my new job on 1st Jan so am hoping the theory goes 'New Year, New Job, New Baby' or something along those lines

Think I am back to CD1 tomorrow, had spotting this evening which has been the pattern the last couple of cycles. Bout time too - CD44 today and just want to get on with the next cycle. Thanks for the cautious thoughts of good luck - hopefully I can save it up for next month?!

Hi all x
Mrshappy Glad your scabs are healing and that you are feeling ok about af

caitni got my fingers crossed for you this month, it all sounds very promising for you

PnM If I was having all those symptoms I would be reaching for the hpt by now!

Hello to everyone else including Ei ,MOB and all the preganat ladies x

Well its cd25 and no symptoms to report as such. I had a headache last night and have felt a little nauseous(sp?) today but that may be the fairy cakes I scoffed that I helped DS make and decorate lol

I seem to have alot of CM at the moment (sorry TMI) but I am not sure if I am just more aware of it this month.

I certainly dont feel PG like I did last week so guess I was kidding myself

Why is it you spend all your life trying not to get pg and then when you want to, you realise that it isnt as simple as they tell you in sex ed!!

Hi everyone

Ei Yay for your DH! That's great that he's found a new job so soon. Now I seem to remember that one of your recent positives came in a month when you were so relaxed that you forgot to temp and didn't even realise that you were late for a bit. So relaxation is clearly the ticket. November BFPs all round I say.

Caitni the chart is still looking good. I have no idea what these point things mean - only have the basic FF membership. Clearly VIP membership is far more whizzy than I thought...

PnM those symptoms do sound suspiciously sign-like to me. Ok, some of them can be caused by progesterone but I don't think the funny taste is one of them. Hope you don't mind but I am going to be quietly hopeful for you

How are the eggs MOB?

A quiet (ish) day for me. I have a day off and so am looking after my little girl. She has such a packed schedule though, so it is quite hard work (but frequently hilarious)!!
And she reminds me of what I already have which is important.

I'm not too fussed about my period showing. Yes, it would be nice to get pg right away, and I can't help thinking that I should have been about to go on mat leave, but actually this is my first normal period since May. Since then I have only had MC bleeds or post-surgical bleeds. So really it is probably good to give my poor old hormones a break.

The reason I am worried the clinic will laugh is I suspect most people who see them have had tests done/are unable to conceive for a long time etc. I on the other hand might well be fine, but am not prepared to leave everything up to chance forever (the NHS's suggestion). Still, hopefully they will understand I just want to talk about the options and maybe have tests on my remaining tube. Since it is so hard to see anyone decent at my GP I do think I am better off going straight to the clinic.It does seem a bit like overkill and my poor DH will have to go to the wanky porn room, but hopefully all will be ok.

Must run get the offspring up for the afternoon's fun!

XX

Morning all

Ei so glad to hear about your DH's new job - woo hoo!! And socking one to the stress of ttc by relaxing is a great idea...the one month I got a + result was when I'd be on holidays and not temping or using monitor, just keeping a relaxed eye on CM and regularly pouncing on DH. Hope it means you get a November BFP

MrsH glad to hear that the scabs are healed. But so sorry that AF arrived. And no one at the clinic will laugh at you, they'll understand that you've been on a rollercoaster these past months. And when's your app with ACU?

MOB oooh those twinges sound like the injections are doing the business! Hope you get a nice haul of eggs. We'll be awarding cyber gold stars to them on collection

PnM um, horribly sore boobs, funny taste in mouth, no AF...these all sound suspiciously like symptoms to me young lady!! I really hope AF stays away and you get a BFP

So temp still reasonably high this morning and now have 45 points on the Early Pregnancy signs indicator on FF, which is apparently quite good . Am trying desperately not to get my hopes up, as only 8 dpo so far too early to test yet. And I've just decided to go up to Oxford to see a friend on Saturday night, as an attempt to keep me from obsessing about "symptoms" and knicker-checking all weekend.

hi ladies
sorry i have been neglecting you lot of late things have been quite busy here what with DH getting a new job and starting monday and also with AF camping in my pants i have been rather preoccupied trying to get myself into not-thinking-about-TTC mode this is going to be the most relaxed BD for fun filled cycle ever!! aswell as shifting more weight my next plan of action is to relax about things so there!! in your face TTC stress
mrshappy sorry AF arrived for you but we are almost cycle buddies as my AF arrived on sunday which makes me CD4 i think
caitni fingers crossed for you lady
MOB im so excited for you there will be an announcement from you soon i can feel it in my bones
judith i hope you are lurking and that you know we are missing you on here
PnM i hope your AF doesnt arrive and you get a nice BFP
bucky i hope you are lurking and you are enjoying being back to the old you
a big hello to anyone i have inadvertantly miseed
xx ei xx

MrsH, although I'm sorry to say it, I really do hope this is your period so you can draw a line under this cycle and begin the new one fresh (and scabless !). Bloody ttc is proving to be more of a pain in the arse than I ever invisiged. Big higs to you.

Mob I'm hoping that our collective WIMBEWAI[N]F positive thinking encourages those injections to do their stuff properly!

Wow Caitni you are one hot lady at the moment! I have high hopes for you that you will be waving the bfp flag for us this month!!

I'm off to bed in a sec - had another day of fruitless knicker checking. No af yet. Boobs so sore am scared to remove my bra. Month tastes horrible - has done for days plus sinus' suddenly started hurting today. However wont allow any excitement, have been here before, about 20 times to be exact (tis 22 actual calender months next month, how sobering is that), on the other hand, had major period style cramping yesterday and back has that special pre-af ache going on. Am joining you on the 'who know whats going on with my cycle' bench MrsH.

Night all xx

ps One ovary is all it takes MOB. I bet you have two, but if not so what? Don't we only have two of organs so that we'll have a spare?

MOB let's hope those twinges are lots of grade A eggs getting ready. Yes, this has to be my period. It's a bit odd but I think I just have to put this cycle down as the weird post-surgical one and leave it at that.

One the upside my last operation scab came off today so I am starting to look vaguely healed at last.

Next step is the clinic, where I am afraid they are going to laugh at me...

Are you still feeling nice and hot, Caitni? I have a good feeling about you and your fabulous chart this time.

Caitni Wow, that chart is looking good!! I have high hopes for you Looking forward to seeing your chart tomorrow. I shall have a word with my eggs - and let them know of all the cyber support they are getting

MrsH Sorry to hear you think your period has turned up. (Is it definitely your period??) At least you know where you are, i guess. Will you really be away when you ovulate next month How long are you away for? (Don't forget those swimmers can live a few days)Hope you're ok - thinking of you.

PnM Congratulations on your new job / promotion. That's great news So much better than going to a new company at this stage of ttc. When do you start in your new role? I'm really excited for you.

EI Wow - you are practically famous Well done for getting such an important topic out into the open. You are brilliant - you have such a lot going on in your own life yet you take time to help with something like this that will make a difference long term.

Not much to report here - injections are going fine - for those of you who may have to contemplate doing it at some point, it really is quite straightforward. I have a few twinges on the right hand side, hopefully the meds are having an effect on my follicles already! (Am worrying that the twinge is only one side - maybe i really do only have one ovary - what will i do if i ever have nothing to worry about )

MrsH sorry to hear you think it's AF, but you sound pragmatic about it. I took another look at your chart and I reckon you and MOB are right and perhaps you did ov a day later...guess it'll be a mystery as to why your period was late. Big to you.

I may now have the answer.
More spotting suggests AF is on her way.

My next egg will be .... when I am out of the country on business. Oh good.

Gosh Caitni it looks like your temp really whizzed back up this morning. Let's hope this is the start of 9 months of high temperatures!!

I am starting to wonder again whether maybe I ov'd a day later than FF thinks again, in which case I may only have been at 14dpo yesterday. If that spotting was implantation then maybe I have a late implanter that just hasn?t shown up yet. Clutching at straws but I want this resolved either way. Either a nice viable uncomplicated pregnancy (which this does not look like right now, it seems more like another ep to me [grr]) or for my wretched period to begin so that I can get on with trying again...

Hi ladies

MrsH I'm sorry you don't have a definite answer yet - I'm keeping my fingers crossed you get a + soon. I definitely think you've ovulated btw - the temp shift is clear, as well as CM and OPK signs as well. Your experience during your first EP sounds horrible as well

PnM yay for your new job!!! Big congrats on that, glad to hear it's got such a much better maternity package too . And I love the "reclaimed" lifestyle 0 made a conscious decision to adopt that approach as well - I think my DH would rather gouge out his own eye than go into an Ikea nowadays...though suspect it's less ethical on his part and more that he hates all the queues and the fact that the furniture lasts about five minutes...

Ei god, that Times article was powerful. It's shocking the way some women are treated during miscarriages. Am also gobsmacked at some of the terminology. I hope you didn't have anything too awful during your losses.

MOB how's the injecting going missus? Hope those eggies realise they've got lots of cyber buddies "egging" them

JB hope you had a lovely tea . I can barely be civil when I'm hungry (I turn into swivel-eyed low blood sugar fiend!). Hope you and jollycub are doing splendidly.

Waves to everyone else, including Bucky JG/GG RFN2 & Mibbes

Not much going on here in the way of symptoms...though my temp did rise quite sharply this morning . FF nows tells me I have 45 points on its Early Pregnancy Signs indicator (yet more ). I have no idea what this means - twas 6.45am when I was inputting my temp so a bit bleary eyed and work is busy today, of all inconveniences, so haven't had a chance to log back in and check it out - grrr! Now of course I'm practically muttering to myself "please let it by an implantation dip, please let it go triphasic". Tragic!!

Hi All

Pinkmix well done on getting that job offer. It sounds like a great opportunity.

Ei were you one of the ladies quoted in the Times? It was a good article. I have always found the hospital staff to be very good when I have had losses, but there are always lapses particularly when resources aren't up to much. For example, with my first ectopic I was shown to an office so I could be away from prying eyes after my scan. I hadn't been told what was wrong and the nurse came in and phoned a Dr to ask them to come and tell me that I had an ectopic. I started crying and the nurse asked "Did my colleague tell you what is wrong then?" I said "No, but I am not deaf, you know." And then she said "I'm sorry you had to find out that way". It makes me laugh to think about it now (like I was in the Fawlty Towers Hospital) but at the time I was really upset? Most of their care was just great though, so I didn?t complain. They just only had one room with a private phone and I happened to be sat in it!

JB It's lovely to see you. I really like it when you guys pop in. How is jollycub coming along?

MOB I am still very impressed with the injecting. It is going to be so worth it in the end! (and you're making me feel like maybe I can do it if I need to).

Well, no further progress from me as my temp is still above the cover line. I did think maybe I haven?t ovulated, but decided that was probably not the case since there is a definite shift in my chart. I think this is either a corpus luteum cyst or (much less likely) another ectopic. Anyway time will tell and I have got the clinic in a couple of weeks so they can have a good look around and tell me what they think if my period is still missing. It does feel rather like it is one thing after another though? I'd give my eye teeth for a straightforwrad, no complications, 10dpo BFP with no flipping ectopics.

I hope that Bucky, JG and our pregnant ladies are still popping in from time to time. Caitni I am pinning my hopes on you this month, so get thinking positive thoughts.