The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

MOB I hope that the egg collection went eggceedingly well and that you are feeling ok (and not like you have been kicked in the tum by a donkey).

The specialist was ok. DH has super swimmers (pah!). The doctor agrees that damage may have been caused by my c section and he says that this is pretty common (there's an argument in favour of natural birth). I am going to go for an HSG next cycle and then, depending on the outcome of that we will do Clomid by itself or Clomid and IUI or IVF. He thinks we should be good candidates for any of the above and so we should speed up the process of getting me pregnant. I think he was quite pleased to get such a straightforward case!

Hi to everyone. Happy Friday!

PnM so sorry to hear about your friend's mother - so sad. And don't feel bad about your sister, you've a lot on your plate at the moment...though glad to hear of the lovely day out in brighton! And I'm the same with the perfume but in my case it's my clinique happy habit...

MrsH hope your app goes well - I'll be thinking of you so do let us know how you get on. Now that there's talk of light sabres I'm even more into this fertility enforcer business

MOB sending eggstraordinarily good vibes to you and your eggs , I'm thinking of it not so much as an egg collection as an egg eggstraction...I'm eggsplicitly telling you that I'm hoping you have an eggsceedingly good day tomorrow (and that just about eggshausts my supply of egg words for the evening!!). Do log on if you have the chance as we'll be waiting to hear how it goes. I'm so very happy and eggscited for you and your DH. Tomorrow is such a special day for you both. I'm glad you're balmed out in front of the fire/telly relaxing tonight xxx

Not much going on with me - day five and so this month's bd-ing bonanza commences tonight. Anyway, best head off as it's my turn to make dinner for my DH (who actually helped me with some of those egg words and also sends good vibes to MOB for tomorrow!)

I'm sorry you're having a hard time PnM. I think it is fair enough not to call your sister - I wouldn't have the strength either. It's her problem and nothing to do with what is going on in your life. You take care of yourself. The day out sounds lovely...

Eggstra luck for you tomorrow, MOB.

Hi all,

Apologies for lack of posts.

Very sad time in the PnM household, my friends mum passed away last night. She'd been in a hospice for about a month with advanced cancer. She was only in her fifties.

Have also been a bad sister and neglected to call mine back to find out how the second test went. Just can't find the courage to. Am feeling awful but have no strength left for her as well at the moment.

Just wanted to pop on and wish Mob the best of luck tomorrow, I'll be egging you on from the cyber sidelines tomorrow.

Will also be thinking of you MrsH tomorrow. I hope you come away feeling encouraged by your consultant.

Hope you're ok as well Caitni - spent a lovely day in Brighton on Tues with 2 very dear friends who I haven't seen for months, was just what I needed. Had a cookie from Ben's Cookies, a bagel from the Bagel Man and then pigged out in Nandos! All day eating, was just too good! I've tried to cut down on all the lotions and potions I use - tend to stick to natural options where possible. Sadly can't give up my Eternity perfume habit though!

Hi to everyone else not mentioned

Will be back soon xx

Thanks MOB. Just think; this time tomorrow your 9 grade A eggs will be happily pairing up with your DH's swimmers in a petri dish.

How eggstremely fabulous.

Am sure light sabres can be arranged.

Forgot to say - MrsH, despite me probably being in a drug induced haze most of tomorrow, i WILL be thinking of you and your appt. Hope it goes well. X

Am loving the "egg" words keep it up, girls, i shall need livening up when i log on tomorrow after we get back! I shall let you know how stinky the staff are - they'll be the eggsperts, i eggspect (oh, i'm good...)
mrsH The trigger jab was fine, they warned me it might be painful, but it went in ok. I'm REALLY tired this afternoon - have slobbed in front of the tv with the fire on. Lovely!

Will try and log on briefly tomorrow and let you know how it all goes. Wish i could have you all there with me - this thread is such a great support.

P.S If i'm going to be a fertility inforcer, i want some kind of light saber type thing

MOB if you think you'll be smelly tomorrow, just wait until you catch a whiff of the medical staff! No deoderant and schlepping sleepy women about - they're bound to be eggstraordinarily stinky.

Morning ladies

MOB so glad to hear that scan went OK and you've had your trigger injection. Expecting an eggstravaganza on collection tomorrow . Hope it's not too painful. And that plenty of them are fertilised and grow. I'm sending you and your DH lots of positive vibes at this eggsciting time for you both . It's interesting about the ban on toiletries & cosmetics, as that's something that Marilyn Glenville talks about - how certain fertility experts insist on their lab staff wearing no perfume/moisturiser/deodorant in the lab because of the increased risk of defective embryos. I've tried half-heartedly cutting back myself, as she recommends, but tis hard! Am glad to hear that your clinic recommends it though, as it means the standards there are nice and high!

MrsH sorry to hear you're feeling down, though I was laughing at the idea of me and MOB as fertility enforcers - we could have little capes and boots, fertility heroines are go! I'm hoping that the clinic tomorrow helps you with finding ways to move on from your horrible past year and achieve a healthy pregnancy. Sending big to you.

And waves to everyone else RFN2 Ei PnM Bucky GG JB Mibbes

Yes it is eggciting. Those follicles certainly sound eggcellent and 9 is great! I've read that collection is not that painful - people feel a bit bloated or sore afterwards but not too bad, and that the GA is so light you don't feel rotten like you do after a "proper" GA. Was the trigger jab nasty? I have heard that that one can hurt. I'd be frightened to inject something I had mixed in case I got it wrong. I couldn't even mix my DD's formula when she was small - I had to buy cartons!

Am especially amused by the thought of MOB and Caitni: fertility enforcers punishing giggling doctors everywhere! There's a comic strip in there somewhere...

Morning ladies

Sorry i haven't been around for a couple of days - being off for half term with the DC's is far more time consuming and exhausting than being at work! (Nice though)

EI how is the laptop I think you and Caitni must be aliens secretly infiltrating earth via mumsnet!!

MrsH Looking forward to more of your egg jokes I'm not surprised that you are feeling low, and taken up with thoughts of fertility ATM. I really hope the appt tomorrow will make you feel a bit better about things, and that they offer you some options. Tell them absolutely everything, and how you are feeling emotionally - they won't laugh (and if they do - Caitni & me are going round there to sort them out)

Caitni Likewise - i hope that the appt with the GP helps to set your mind at rest. Hopefully s/he will run some basic tests to ensure the fertility apocalypse is not imminent (and if s/he doesn't i will beat them up as well )I'm sure that the home test you did is a good indication everthing is fine, though.

I am reaching crunch time now! The scan yesterday was fine - about 9 or so decent follicles, so we are all set for egg collection tomorrow. I had to have one final jab last night, to trigger ovulation in 36hrs, which was fun, as it involved mixing powders and solvents, before injecting. I'm not particularly looking forward to collection - and the pain that potentially follows, but at the same time it's exciting (eggciting?! Sorry MrsH - stole one from you )The worst bit is, i can't wear any make-up, deodorant, or anything So not only will i feel awful, i will look awful and smell awful as well DH has taken Monday off as well - so he will be there at transfer.

JG I hope you are lurking somewhere out there. The whole process really has been fine so far, so if you are reading this i hope it reassures you for when it is your turn shortly.

Hello ladies

MOB how are the little eggs coming along? Eggcellent, I hope. I have more of those and will be revealing them over the coming weeks. I do hope you are not feeling to uncomfortable. Two more days to go until they collect the eggs, yes?

Ei I hope you're well and continuing to resist the urge to wallop pregnant people. Have you had any more psychic predictions lately? I have a good feeling about you this time, let's hope it comes true.

Caitni please stop fretting about fertility apocalypse. You will be a mummy, I am sure of it.

Mahoosive higs to Picknmix, JG, RFN2, Bucky. Hello to our lovely pregnant ladies. Shreksmissus do you pop in ever?

No news from the Happy household. I am still quite low and seem to be unable to think of much else other than ectopics, fertility treatments etc etc. It's not the healthiest way to live and so I am hoping that the appointment on Friday can help me formulate a sensible way forward so I can let go a little of what has happened over the past 7 months. I'm sick of it, and exhausted, and I need a break (moan moan).

Hope you are all well. BBL.
XX

Morning ladies

Ei I'm so glad that your laptop's back up and running, we'd been missing you, though I was also giggling at the post! That would have been some swearing rant

MrsH so sorry to hear about your deepset worries about scarring from your CS...I'm not going to say anything like "don't be silly, you'll be fine" as I'm the queen of the dark side when it comes to that (when not worrying about scarring from my emergency appendectomy from my burst appendix as a child, I'm convincing myself that I have premature ovarian failure - see earlier post ). But what I will say is that I'm glad you'll be able to air these worries at the clinic to people who won't just understand but will also have lots of experience in investigating and overcoming fertility issues. I'm hoping they confirm that your remaining tube is healthy and that you get that BFP soon

MOB yay for your "textbook" ovaries!! There'll be gold stars all round in a few days . I'm delighted to hear that the scan went well, and hope that tomorrow's scan is equally good and that it's full steam ahead for collection on Friday. I'm coming over quite emotional thinking about this day next week, when (fingers crossed) your embryo transfer will have taken place. Have you talked to your DH about being at the transfer? He probably thought that the egg collection is the biggie - men can pick up the wrong end of the stick about these things - and while of course you want him there for that (and he has to be anyway on account of his vital contribution ), you also want him to be at your side for the transfer. I'm with Ei on this one, I'll be looking forward to the name change to MadOldPregnantBird

Bucky hope you're doing well lady. I saw that Lottie over on the temping thread is in Norway at the moment and it sounds like the whole experience at Scanhealth is excellent.

JudithGin honestly my dear, you better get your well-travelled self back on here soon and say hello to us all or we'll be having a whip around to get you home internet . Seriously though, hope that work isn't too stressful for you at the moment and that you're taking care of yourself. I'm looking forward to your own ICSI experiences. As you can see, MOB is blazing a very good trail

Big hello to RFN2 Mibbes JB 07MTW and everyone else.

So I'm much calmer about my crazy short cycles, though I'm glad I'd already booked in to see my GP when my period arrived two days early . It appears that my local fertility clinic doesn't do a plain old FSH test, just the fancier sounding ovarian reserve screen for £320 (they're checking AMH and estradiol levels as well I think). And I decided I didn't want to wait another month anyway, so I actually did this fertell test this morning, since it's CD 3. And got a completely normal result, so I guess I have to just accept that short cycles aren't a sign of some sort of fertility apolcalypse . Meanwhile, roll on seeing the doctor and also roll on the bd-ing for this coming month!

mrshappy it looks as if i had a big swearing rant there doesnt it!!
caitni i was just saying to you and rn2 that im sorry AF arrived for the both of you and best of luck for this cycle
i cant remember what else was in there but it was nothing awful
xx ei xx

Ei your post made me chuckle. What on earth were you planning to say to Caitni??

MOB no financial problems here - it was just some admin. I'm so glad to hear that you have 2 ovaries and that they appear to have read the book! I wish I lived near you then I would come to your egg transfer - it's sooooo exciting!

I'm not looking forward to Friday much at all. TBH I have this fear - I had nightmares about it since before my DD was born - that I would end up with an emergency cs because of the hospital's mishandling my labour (tick) and that scarring would wreck my fertility. I hope it is not that, but I guess we will get a better idea in the coming weeks.

I'm sorry your period showed up RFN2. The Deanna plan does look pretty good - that much sex certainly can't hurt!

Hope all is well with the rest of you.

oo er!! dont know what happened there maybe my laptop isnt as repaired as i first thought
xx ei xx

hi ladies
sorry i have not been around much (or at all the past few days my laptop decided to pack in and we had to get it fixed but its all better now
MOB im so happy for you that your scan went well you will be a madoldpreggersbird soon
mrshappy sorry you got upset about your friends pregnancy i had a moment like that last week over a friend of mine who seems like the most fertile woman on earth cant say too much on here but shes recently preg and already has a few kids aswell and i cant even manage to expand my family to one more person i felt like the biggest bitch ever and couldnt bring myself to congratulate her for a few days but i feel better now i have
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PnM So sorry to hear what an awful day you had on Friday. i hope the weekend was a bit better and that your party went well. How is your sister? What a terrible situation - for her obviously - but also for you.

MrsH I bet you are counting down the days until your appt at the clinic! Roll on friday. Hope you and DH are ok with all your financial stuff?? Couldn't tell if you were just in the middle of sorting stuff out, or if you've got problems (none of my business, obviously, but hope you're ok)

Caitni Definitely step away from google!! I can completely understand your concerns, and why you have been researching (as you will probably know by know, i am a worry queen) but googling will only make things worse. MrsH's suggestion to get checked out privately is very sensible, if it's an option for you. My clinic does an FSH test for £30 - i'm sure most clinics are a similar price. I hope you are feeling a little better today, and carry on ranting here - this is what it's all about - you can say whatever you like here. X

RFN2 I am so, so sorry to hear you are back at CD1. Enjoy those hugs with DS. Have a glass of wine / large bar of chocolate / good cry; whatever you need at this point. ( I generally need all 3!!)

We had a lovely weekend away. I was incredibly exhausted by the end of it, but it was good to get away. We were staying with the friends that i have mentioned to JG before - the ones who ttc for many years, eventually gave up hope, and now have a 3year old and 1 year old! So in some respects it was hard being around young children, but it was a good reminder of what we ultimately hope to achieve, and they really do understand what we are going through. After playing with little ones all weekend my DS & DD are now incredibly impatient to have a little sibling!

My scan went really well this morning - she said i am responding in a "text book" fashion!! (I felt quite proud of my reproductive organs ) The ovary on the side where i have had all the pain has lots of quite large follicles already. The one on the other side (yes, i do have 2) has not responded to the same extent, but there are still a few good follicles there. She said that this is entirely normal that one ovary will sort of "take over" and respond the best. I have another scan on Wednesday but it looks pretty likely that egg collection will be friday . I got a bit upset earlier as i texted DH to say that collection will be friday and embryo transfer on monday, and he texted back to say he has booked friday off. I thought he would want to come along for transfer as well, but he hasn't mentioned it. Oh well, perhaps i am just overreacting. I don't know whether to ask him to come with me, or just accept that i will be going on my own.

RFN2 sorry to hear AF arrived lady, to you. Glad to hear you're planning on the sperm meets egg thingy, as sounds like an excellent means of boosting your chances

Just to let you all know Iam out for the month and back to cd1

I am disappointed but its only our 2nd cycle so I cant really complain, DS made me feel better though by giving me lots of hugs this morning and helped me realise how lucky I already am (doesnt stop the broodyness though!)

We are going to try sperm meets egg this month so I need to order some opks

Hope everyone else is ok x

MrH and I are getting into some financial whatnot so this is just a quickie to say "STEP AWAY FROM DR GOOGLE CAITNI. THAT WAY DOTH MADNESS LIE"

You do not have raised FSH. You just have a short cycle.

For a woman who is freaking out you are on mighty good form though. Your post did make me laugh out loud on several counts.

Chin up; tomorrow is another day. If you need to, just pay and go private to Agora and get them to check you over. Life is too short to be worrying. And (((higs)))

Oh RFN2 - just crossed posts with you!! 58 points based on CM/CP/symptoms is brilliant!! I'm really hopeful for you and shall be keeping my fingers crossed!!!

To post a chart from FF you need to click on "Sharing" in the left hand menu, then select "Home Page Setup". This gives you options you can choose from. Then make sure you choose your more recent chart and then click on Save Settings. It'll give you a web address which you can then post onto Mumsnet following the directions on here.

Hope that makes sense! I thought I'd be rubbish at setting my up (as had never done it before) but it was pretty straightforward once i figured out it's on the Home Page Setup page.

Again, I'm really hoping this month is your month! xxx

Oh MrsH your application of the law of pregnativity had me giggling (to the amazement of DH - today's been a bleak day chez caitni ). Would love you to have twins!

I am indeed on CD 1, and scarily my cycle was 21 days. Which is two days shorter than my usual (already freakishly short) 23 day cycles. I tweaked my chart yet again to give myself the original FF ov day of CD 10, as couldn't cope with crazy short cycle and luteal phase of 10 days (borderline luteal phase defect ). Even that tweaking gives me a of only 11 days (usually 12). So I'm now completely freaked out as 21 day cycles are right at the end of what's considered "normal" (by the power of google I have diagnosed myself with raised FSH/diminished ovarian reserve...possibly even premature ovarian failure...know I shouldn't google but of course I do...and also know there's nothing I can do but wait til next Sat and see the GP and try and get a referral to a gynae asap...am wanting this week to fly by). I was so upset that I ended sobbing in the carpark of tesco's. Tragic! Tis not the first time I've wondered whether I've raised FSH - I bought these back in July and tested negative for raised FSH. Just did another one and still negative. But roll on Saturday when I can see the doc.

Told DH I can't help thinking the darkest thoughts (on warped logic that if they come through I'll be more "prepared") but he's been lovely, reassuring me that he loves me, not my ability to have babies, then made me my favourite shepherd's pie (with sweet potato and pumpkin topping instead of plain old spuds). Am sure things will seem much better in the morning.l

Enough of the me me me-ness though.

PnM oh to you lady. I fear/dread my sisters telling me they're pregnant (they already have 3 kids between them), but if either was in your sister's situation
(ie not in the planned pregnancy/ttc zone) I'd be totally annoyed at the universe for being so evil. Though glad that there were vodka jellies on hand. And hope the party went absolutely spiffingly. And I bet that ex-boyfriend thought "damn it, ms PnM is looking even finer than I remember...I'm so jealous of Mr PnM...how did he get such a fox?". xxx

MrsH Hope you've been having a good weekend. I had to have an emergency whispa today, and can confirm that they're not just good for hangovers but good for the arrival of AF as well . Glad that we'll be tww buddies, as it honestly makes this awful day seem a bit brighter . And I'd recommend the paying FF, as I'm not sure how much it cost but it seemed v cheap (less than a session of acupuncture I think?). Though in fairness I'm not really sure what the differences are to the free model...

RFN2 I am so hoping to have some good news from you! I've got my fingers firmly crossed that those points keep on rising and you get a lovely BFP xxx

MOB hope you had a lovely weekend away! And hope that tomorrow's scan brings news of eggs growing well and that you have the collection soon. Again, I'm v glad to hear you're taking proper time out to spend time with your family and focus on making the future members of that family . Bet your DH is getting excited...before he knows it he'll be on dadsnet getting tips about how to cope with a newborn

Big waves to everyone else, Ei JG Bucky JollyBear Mibbes 07MTW. Sorry for the ranting, just had to get these (hopefully irrational) worries out of me. I think I would go stir crazy without this thread so and thanks to all you lovely ladies. And roll on the BFPs for those of us still trying!!!

PnM sorry the witch got you

Mrshappy Im sure the clinic will be fine and hope that the law of pregnativity works for you

MOB How are the injections going? fingers crossed you have plenty of eggs to give you that all important BFP

Caitni How are you doing?

Well its cd28 for me and as of yet af hasnt appeared but I am sure she will! I am expecting her to be a bit late as I think my cycles are still evening out at the moment,FF has put me up to 58pts but I am not hopeful because I took a test and got BFN this morning.
When I was pg with DS I didnt realise till I was 2 days late so maybe I am still in with a chance but in all honesty I think I am out for the month but will be trying sperm meets egg next month.

I dont temp so my chart is just based on CM,CP and symptoms I am happy to put it up if someone tells me how I am a bit of a technophobe im afraid!!

Caitni becase I am nosy I just looked up your chart again and see that your period arrived. I hope you're ok. Your cycles are so short you'll probably ovulate around the same time as me so well be 2WW buddies.