The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

MOB you are now technically preg all we need is for them to burrow their way deep into your womb lining and whammo you are soon to be a mummy again and your DH will be a daddy at last!! im so happy for you
hello to everyone else
xx ei xx

Oh wow MOB it must have been incredible to see your embryos on the screen. It's so lovely, I really want it to work out for you both.

PNM I am sorry you've been feeling poorly. I know it's going to be hard reading at your friend's mother's funeral but it is really a lovely thing to do for your friend and you are a very strong person so I am sure you will carry it off. As for your sister, it sounds to me as though her HCG levels are simply too low to be a viable pregnancy (hence the Dr's statement), although obviously some unusual pregnancies start off very low and are still turn out to be viable. The most likely scenario is a chemical pregnancy so try not to fret too much about ectopic. I don't know if an ectopic would cause pain this early (she's only about 4-5 weeks, yes?) but she should of course keep an eye on it and if the pain gets to a 7 out of 10 (10 being the worst) or if she has bleeding that looks like prune juice or shoulder tip pain she must get herself to the hospital sharpish. When is her scan? It may be too early for it to be useful but together with a series of blood HCGs should give a proper answer. I hope you're both ok. What a tough week you're having. (((higs)))

Good luck with the Deanna plan, RFN2. That much sex can't be bad!

Well I am very surprised. I am at CD 13 and my opk says . This is going to be the shortest cycle I have ever had at this rate. Even better, assuming that I ov tomorrow, this gives us today and tomorrow to give it a fair whack before my trip. I just have to remember that as I am lopsided my chances are not that great regardless..

Sorry ladies! I see you have been eagerly awaiting news. We were at the clinic at lunchtime but i have had car trauma, so i have only just got infront of the pc (car is poorly - not an accident or anything awful)

Today went really well - out of the 7 we had 2 really good embryos, one a grade 1 (which they said they don't often see) and another the embryologist gave a grade 2, but the dr said he would give it a grade 1. We saw them on the screen before they went in, it was wonderful. Putting them back was fine, just like a smear test. The other embryos were not good enough to freeze, but she was going to leave them growing for a couple of days to see if they improve. So there we are - 2 embryos in there, all we have to do is wait. It feels great, and it also feels overwhelming. You'll have to help me through this 2ww! I can't believe we have now completed one ivf cycle (well, apart from the waiting) Please hang on in there little ones.

MrsH LOL at your DH "loading you up" before you go away I'm sure the pre-seed will help, and it's certainly not going to do any harm.

EI You always think of such great names! I am loving your relaxed approach this cycle.

Caitni I'm glad it went well at the gp on saturday, but at the wait for a SA! Am glad your DH has booked himself in somewhere else, it's definitely money well spent (can't believe the london prices though) My DH would thoroughly agree with the size of the receptacle! It's not easy for these poor men to "aim" - especially when they are stressed. We must definitely start a campaign

PnM So sorry to hear you have been poorly. Hope you are on the mend now. What a priviledge to be asked to read at the funeral, i can thoroughly understand your anxiety about it though. Your poor sister, she must be worried and frightened. I think the fertility enforcers need to go and have words with that GP!

RFN2 Good to see you. Good luck with the sperm meets egg plan. I think your DH is going to be a very happy bunny

Hi RFN2 I think using the clothes test - are they comfy or not? - is so much better than obsessing about scales etc. I've also put on quite a bit of weight since Sept - comfort eating plus dark evenings I reckon! I've lost about 4 pounds in the last two weeks as am trying to do the slow and steady weight loss back to being comfy in my clothes! Hope this sperm meets egg malarkey works for you this month . I've not actually tried it, but we've tried so many combos over the past months (bd every day, bd twice a day when we can, bd every other day) that I'm not sure it would help me too much . Still, if it works for you this month then maybe I'll be doing the same thing next month

Hope you're doing well MOB!
xx

Hi all x
MOB Things are sounding very exciting for you and I hope you have a couple of sticky beans x

Caitni every other day sounds like a good plan and I hope you catch that egg this month

Mrshappy I know what you mean about paying FF vip I kept thinking that I would get pg if I paid but decided to anyway and it is worth it

Ei Good to see you feeling relaxed this cycle- hope its a good one for you x

Hi to everyone else too x

Well its cd8 for me so we are starting sperm meets egg tonight, hopefully it will work but if it doesnt at least dp will have a smile on his face lol!!

I have gained back nearly 2 stone of the weight I lost in the last 2 months so I am back on the diet as of this morning and hoping to shift a stone in the next 2-3 weeks so that my clothes are comfy again.
I dont mind getting fat again if its for the right reason

Sorry to hear you've been ill PnM - hope you're over the worst of it now. Your poor sister, sounds like the GP who spoke to her is an idiot...and try not to worry about the reading, you doing it will mean so much to your friend and her family . And yes, it's the south coast that's being so rubbish about the SA! Though am not sure that London would have been so much better...

Just popping my head round the door as well to check up on Mob... Caitni it must be something to do with the south coast (or is your DH still registered in London?). Feb is far too long to wait - yay for a proactive DH who books himself in for a private test though

I've been ill for the past couple of days, in bed by 7.30 each night! Feel bit better now though. My friend has asked me to read a poem at her mums funeral for her. I have said yes but am now REALLY panicking about it... Not sure I'll be able to go through with it but I have to for her.

Found out my sister is probably going through a chemical pregnancy although her Doctor said "oh thats a clever term for it, I've never heard that before" when my sister asked was it a CP... Why are some GPs so completely clueless?!

He's told her that her [one] blood test looks like its on the way down (wtf?! how can he tell that from 1 blood test!??!!) so not to worry even though she's in lots of pain in her side - wouldn't even tell her the actual result of the blood test, said it wasn't important . I've told her to watch the pain and go to A&E if it gets any worse (or if she gets a pain in her shoulder etc). Also to ring her docs in the a.m to talk to the lady doctor who spoke to her originally and sent for blood tests and has scheduled a scan for her.

Sorry, had to get all that off my chest!!!!

Will pop in later to see if MOB has posted...

Hi to everyone!!

Crikey Caitni, that's shocking.
My DH's SA was £105 too (must be the going rate, they probably all use the same lab) and the results were available during our consultation, a mere 45 minutes later. That's how it should be.

Am also popping in and out all day to see if MOB's posted - so exciting!!

Well MrsH (and Bucky if you read this ) those speedy test centres can't come along fast enough. I just spoke to my DH - just to hand in his sample for testing he'd have to wait until Feb, and the results would be weeks after that. I must admit my reaction was "WTF? Feb? But that's months away!! Grr!". Luckily by the time he called me he'd booked himself into the Bridge Centre (much handier for his work too as he works near London Bridge) and his SA will be done on the 11th November, with results to follow quite soon after. £105 well spent I say! Does rather make me worry about how long the blood tests/referrals to a gynae will take for me if a simple SA can't even be processed until Feb...

Well the tiny plastic cup is a logistical nightmare.
Along with speedy cheap testing centres (that I think Bucky was planning to start) it is time we put our heads together and developed a more user friendly recepticle. As fertility enforcers, that is something for Caitni and MOB to do!! .

Love the name change Ei. I thought we'd attracted a newbie there for a second! (although with our appalling success rates I suspect they take one look and leg it over to Netmums!)

Am going to be hanging around here a lot waiting for MOB to come back and tell us how she is. God it's so exciting.

Keep nice and warm MOB (but not too hot, that can't be good).

Morning all

MOB good luck to you today! I'm thinking of you and also sending strict orders for those little embyies to hang on in there . I'm so glad that you've got this week off to take it easy. I was remembering when JG first announced her ICSI plans and all the talk of the importance of heat, so hope you've got a hot water bottle or those heat pad thingys handy?

MrsH I must say that the VIP FF is some of the best money I've spent on ttc (I rate it far more than all of the books I've bought bar TCOYF!) though I don't like seeing the days run out. Seeing the number of days of my VIP membership left is another reminder that time is passing...I think you've got a good plan with the pre-seed, as if you ov before Sat/Sun you're definitely getting action at the right time! And if you don't ov til Sat/Sun then you'll be back from work travel in good time. Either way, I'm with Ei in that I hope you ov soon and you catch it good and proper

Ei love the name change!! And glad to hear you sounding so relaxed about your cycle

Not much going on here - knackered after a lovely but very busy weekend. CD 9 and expecting to ov in the next couple of days. We had such a bd bonanza last month that we're taking things slightly easier this month on the bd front - every other day-ish - though expect to ramp it up a bit once I get a peak reading on my monitor. Am hoping my DH remembers to phone and book in his SA this morning (MrsH he was also moaning about the tiny plastic cup!).

Big hello to everyone else - hope everyone had a good weekend

just a quick one to say...
MOB good luck for today just think by the end of the day you will technically be preg with twins im so excited for you
mrshappy i have absolutely no idea if my egg ha hatched or not which is quite liberating feeling after all of the anxiety of my recent cycles i hope your egg hatches soon and you catch it good and proper
hello to everyone else
xx ei xx

Hi everyone

Ei has your egg hatched yet?

Caitni I hope you had a good night out. I've been following the thread about FF VIP membership and am almost convinced to buy. I always think that if I buy it I will get pg and it will be a waste of money (a bit like lighting a cigarette when waiting for the bus). But then I thought that about the mountain of Pre-seed and OPKs in the bottom of my closet! And I guess if I get pg via sod's law it will be worth the money!!

MOB how are the little eggs doing today? Your having your transfer today aren't you? I'll be thinking of you and sending your eggs orders to cling on tight!

News from here... well I have now had a week of EWCM and no egg. I am away with work from Weds to Friday so DH has to load me up before I go just in case! Normally I would expect to ov on Sat/Sun, but all of this EWCM makes me wonder whether it will be earlier, although I don't yet have ov pains which is unusual for me. Am trying the Pre-seed to see if it helps DH's sperm live longer. Not that any of this will make a blind bit of difference if my remaining tube is not working. I guess time will tell...

Higs to you all. Are you ok PNM? Any more news on your sister? Bucky and JG I have no idea if you still pop in from time to time, but I hope everything is ok. And hello to our pregnant ladies too.

MOB YAY for your 10 fertilised eggs!! im so happy for you it is unreal!! i feel like crying for you i am so happy
(i am hoping it is getting to my 'time' for this cycle and that will explain the hormonal crying...)
caitni glad your appointment went well
mrshappy it is understandable that you feel odd about things but as you said to me a few weeks back now you know what may be the problem there might now be something they can do to help! you will be up the duff in no time with clomid the wonder drug
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

Just wanted to say hurrah for the eggs, MOB. Do the embryologists update you every day? It's just brilliant that so many have fertilised. Eggstremely good!

Have a good night out Caitni. Enjoy if while you can, there'll be no more of that once the smalls arrive... Glad the GP went ok. My DH has been complaining bitterly about the small size of the sample pots (another reason to avoid IUI if I can!!)

Ei I agree. F$%^%&$ that insensitive cow. . I hope you're feeling a bit better today (((higs)))

I'm feeling a bit flat today. I am pleased to get things moving but am sad that the c-section looks like the culprit for things that have gone wrong since. I was quite horrified at having ended up with a section and this is making me feel a bit crap really. But as someone said to me at the time when I was worried about future fertility "you have to have one baby to get to two, three or four" so hopefully if I take things one sprog at a time I will get there one day! I am also impatient to get going. The HSG won't be until the end of the month, so I suppose I might get the clomid by Xmas, but I just want to get moving now...

Wow MOB that is great news about the number fertilised & frozen! Looks like you needn't have worried about your eggs and his sperm hitting it off . It must be a relief to have some frozen for any future cycles (is there a chance that more can be frozen on Monday?). I hope the unfrozen ones are developing nicely so that there's two beauties for Monday xx

Ei god, how horrible of your friend to deliver her news in such a patronising way . I'd be furious if I was you - f@*k her is right! But I'm glad to hear you don't really know what day you're on, as the relaxed approach is not only good for your sanity but has a v good chance of working! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you anyway

Hi to MrsH PnM and every one else.

The GP this morning was fine - he's lovely! I for some reason was expecting a woman (have no idea why, as I've never had a female GP in my life!). The plan is for my DH to have a SA first, before starting the blood tests & HSG for me. So we've got the little plastic cup and my DH is going to book in on Monday (we've already picked a day well after my fertile time this month, to fit in the abstaining beforehand - we live in hope ). I feel very happy to have the ball rolling, and also happy that the GP was so very nice and reassuring (and I certainly didn't feel like a ttc loony ).

Anyway, gotta run as off to a friend's house for dinner in deepest north london with my three best female friends. And it's lashing rain and I totally don't feel like going. I'm so lazy!!

Hope everyone has a great weekend
xz

Morning everyone!

Great news here - out of our 13 eggs, 10 have fertilized, and looking good this morning. They generally estimate that 60 - 70% of eggs will fertilize, so we have exceeded (sorry, eggsceeded ) that, which is fantastic. The embryologist offered us options for freezing, as apparently today is the best day to freeze. We went with freezing 3, as hopefully out of the 7 left we will get 2 good ones for implantation Monday. We just felt that we wanted some frozen, so that if this cycle fails, we can look at a frozen embryo transfer, which is a lot less invasive (and much less costly). We were really worried about the eggs fertilizing, as our eggs and sperm have never met before (as far as we are aware) so we are so relieved this morning.

EI am so at your friend! How insensitive. She could have picked her moment to tell you a bit better. Come here and rant as much as you like.

Caitni Thinking of you at your appt today.

MrsH How are you feeling today, now you have had time to reflect on all the info yesterday?

Big hello to everyone else - hope you are all having lovely weekends.

hi ladies happy halloween
just a quickie to say YAAAAAYYY!!!! to mob and her bakers dozen im so excited for you have they said what they will be doing with the spare embryos once you have the transfer on monday?? will they be frozen for future babies?? you might end up with a massive brood!!im so eggcited for you and your DH

mrshappy im so glad your appointment went well and you are going to have the HSG soon and get cracking on the clomid

caitni good luck with the gp tomorrow it will be fine and im sure you will get the answers you are looking for

PnM so sorry to hear about your friends mum also dont worry about your sister im sure if she needed you she would call!! take care of yourself

well nowt happeneing here and i barely even know what cd im on so we are just bding when we can
my friend asked me how ttc was going the other day as she knows about my troubles and when i said another cycle bites the dust she decided then would be the best time to say she has found out she is preg by accident with her 3rd baby by different dads!! she just kept going on about how it was meant to be and how they had only had sex twice that month at the possibly right time and dont worry it will happen for me etc etc!! i felt like she had punched me and was insulting me at the same time!! bloddy bitch!!
f*&% her!!

anyway rant over sorry
hello to everyone else
xx ei xx

Yay! 13 eggs is eggstra fantastic MOB!
Can't wait to hear how many fertilise. Just think, right now they are probably dividing into more cells already...

Just a quick message to say hurray! to you MOB - 13 eggs is a great haul! You must be v happy with that. I hope that as many as possible fertilise - fingers crossed for good news tomorrow xx

and woo hoo happy halloween to all the rest of you!

Sorry Caitni - good luck tomorrow with the gp. You are NOT a ttc loony - if they say you are i will go down with my light sabre!!

Afternoon ladies

We're back! We got 13 eggs, which i'm really pleased about - obviously some more follicles had matured since wednesday. Whole thing wasn't bad at all. I asked for minimal sedation, and there was only a little pain, except at the end, when he was doing my right ovary, as that was hidden behind some bowel so he really had to dig around. It was all over really quickly though, and i had a cup of tea and a biscuit and left. DH was really anxious beforehand, not knowing what to expect, and it made me laugh when the consultant walked into the room, shook his hand and wished him luck!!! The ICSI will have taken place by now, so we're just praying for some of the eggs to fertilize. They will phone tomorrow and let us know.

I am now off to a party! it's a surprise party for my sister in law, so i'm just going to dose myself up with paracetemal and go for a couple of hours.

MrsH I'm so pleased that it sounds like the appt went well, and that they are offering you options to speed things up. Clomid sounds like a very good idea, and should offer you optimal chances of success.

PnM So sorry to hear about your friend's mum, what a horrible time for you all.

I'll be back tomorrow and "chat" properly, just wanted to let my lovely ttc friends know what happened!

That makes such sense about the clomid! And I'd tend to agree with you re the IUI - the success rates just aren't high enough for me to think it's really better than just trying naturally with the clomid. Thanks for the kind words re the GP

Caitni the clomid is to make sure I ovulate on the left hand ovary. At the moment I probably only produce one follicle and sometimes (like last month) it will be on my tubeless side. The idea is that the clomid stimulates the ovaries to make 2 or 3 follicles, at least one of which should be on the side with the tube and so improves my odds. It's only worth doing if the left hand tube is ok though.

The more I think about it, though, the less sense the IUI makes. Since my DH's swimmers are apparently perfectly good at reaching my eggs I suspect that clomid and trying the natural route might be just as good (and cheaper!!). I will have to speak to the Dr about this when I am next there after my HSG.

I think it's great you're seeing the GP tomorrow. I know it's hard when you have to say those words the first time, but you should feel lots better afterwards. If you don't get any joy I do recommend going direct to a fertility specialist. It's nice to have someone who knows what they are talking about reassure you that time is on your side after all!

Hi MrsH I'm so glad that the app went well! And glad to hear of your DH's super swimmers. It sounds like things are going to start moving forward properly for you now. I would really like an HSG - my sister-in-law wasn't pregnant after nearly 2 years of ttc (though one year of that was not not ttc iykwim), she had an HSG that showed no obvious scarring and conceived that month (she's now pregnant with number two after an emergency c section). I know that's only anecdotal but it gives me hope. Apparently the damage can be very slight, so fluid moving through them can be enough to flush/smooth things out. What's the Clomid for if you don't mind me asking?

MOB hope things went eggscellently for you and your DH, and I also hope you're not feeling too sore. Thinking of you and looking forward to hearing how many of those textbook eggs have been fertilised

big hello to everyone else - hope everyone's ok (PnM hope you're doing OK sweetie). Am quite nervous about seeing the GP tomorrow - I've never seen her before, since we only registered since moving to brighton, and am worried about revealing myself as an utter ttc loony . But I'd just really like the ball to start rolling towards finding what's holding things up