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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

913 replies

Bucky2008 · 11/07/2008 20:51

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

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GorgonsGin · 11/09/2008 13:03

jeez, that's an essay I just wrote!
Post holiday blues must make you type loads

GorgonsGin · 11/09/2008 12:55

hello hello . I am returned from my mamoth holiday and a bit later back into the country than I thought, because DH booked the flights and I thought we were back on Tuesday, but I got that wrong and we didn't reach Heathrow until 5.30am this morning . It was a 13 hour flight, but we got an upgrade!!! . It was bliss, and we could lie back in flat beds and watch films until dropping off under a snowy duvet for a healthy 8 hours of kip. It's a hard life being Mr and Mrs Gorgon . We did a real "get away from it all break" (deliberately to avoid work) so we didn't have internet access at all and there was so much to catch up on here.

I was so excited at being back on MN again and "seeing" all my WIMBEWAIF friends, but there has been so much going on . Both and very news.

Scary - am stunned and so, so upset for you and that it was another ectopic . It seems like the cruelest of things to happen to you and I am gutted, really gutted, that such a lovely person as you has this happen.

I saw that you had an operation yesterday and if you can bear to be on here, I just wanted to say you have been in my thoughts all morning since I read your post (two days late, I am so sorry) and I hope that the operation went ok and you are recovering from the physical pains. Please let us know how you are doing, both physically and emotionally. We are all here for you. I don't know where to begin typing things here that don't sound like crass platitudes, but things will get better. If you want to meet up for a drink and a rant, if it helps, when you have recovered, I am always about. Take good care of yourself and I hope work are being great

Bucky - you sound like you've had a rough old time of it too in the two weeks I have caught up on. The paragraph you wrote about all the agony, emotional turmoil and frustrations and your feelings about TTC should be framed and put at the top of all long term TTC threads, because you summed the everything up so perfectly for me and everyone. Sometimes I think we should all write a collaborative book together - all the WIMBEWAIF-ers, maybe extracts from our threads and throughts, because I don't know how I would have got through the last 20 months or so without you all and Mumsnet. You guys keep me (relatively ) sane.

Have you called the IVF clinic in Norway yet? Norway sounds excellent. There was someone on one of the long term TTC threads here (I have post-holiday brain and I can't remember who now, but maybe LondonLottie or CityAngel on the TTC#1 Since Forever thread or the Assisted Conception thread? ) who was in touch with an excellent IVF facility in Sweden and was really impressed by their professionalism. It sounds like a really positive step to call them and also to get the bottom of the fybroid question with the NHS here. Get the run away doctor to answer some questions. Have you had any more trouble with your mean and nasty chav neighbour about Finn? If no-one else is complaining about barking, there can't be much of an issue, but I'd have been very rattled by someone being so agressive. Horrible for you.

DG - If you are reading this thread, I have a wee tear in my eye about being a cyber-auntie . It doesn't seem 5 minutes since we were sitting around discussing our lack of TTC luck and now you have your gorgeous Alfredo. I am off the check his photos on Facebook the minute I finish typing this out! I am so thrilled for you - really, really thrilled. It's the best back from holiday news!

MOB - that is fabulous news about the ICSI and the results from the clinic . You will be way ahead of me and I will have to come to you for advice on it when my turn comes (more later on that ). I had a feeling that everything would be fine for you . from what I read, they only need a tiny handful of happy swimmers for ICSI, so I was sure there are more than enough, even with a low sperm count, for ICSI. I am delighted for you

Big welcome to readyforno2! Hope you get a big fat BFP this month. What are you doing to improve chances - I am always on the look out for new TTC tips.

lou - any luck this month? When is AF due for you?

As for me, AF arrived on the last day on my holiday, three days early . I had my hopes up a little to be honest, that this would be my month . DH and I did "it" A LOT this month, we wewre having such a good break (everything seemed to be perfect) and then about 5 days before AF was due I got some spotting. Oh, and burst into tears at a book and noticed my nails were rather strong and long . I NEVER get any spotting during a cycle (can't remember a single occasion), so worked myself up into a delerious frenzy of excitement, assumed it was an implantation bleed, became rediculously happy, refused glasses of wine and prawn salads and waited until I could get back from trecking through the jungle to get a Clearblue. But, erm, it wasn't to be for us (again) . AF arrived and, when it did, it was the period from HELL. Not much fun on a long flight. I also had a bit of a breakdown and was howling away in the hotel. I cried myself out this time. DH was really kind, but he finds too much female emotion a bit disconcerting and he held me for ages, but he gets uptight because quietly he thinks that I blame him, even though I said over and over how much he meant to me and that I didn't.

This TTC stuff is so bl**dy hard!!! I think this has been the toughest AF for me so far and I am so emotional. I got a mysterious email from my best friend saying she had been trying to call me with some news. I am pretty sure I can guess what the news is and I am feeling so fragile that I have been a bad, bad friend and not responded to her email, because I don't think i can bear her telling me what I think she is going to say . Then I got into the flat this morning and waiting on the doormat was my rather brisk referral letter for IVF. I start drug treatment in January at the Hammersmith Hospital with the first cycle in February. Happy New Year GorgonsGin.

So now I am scared as well as fragile and also my job security is looking a little bleak....I had a run in with my boss just before my holiday, we are very quiet at the moment due to the market downturn and suddenly there are a few things that I noticed this morning that makes me think I am vulnerable. We call my boss Delores Umbrage (if you've seen the Harry Potter films, you can guess what she is like ). What a mess .

Eek, sorry, it's another me me me rant (and a long one too!)and I am only just back here this morning .

Thanks for being fabulous everyone. You are The BEST!

Madoldbird · 11/09/2008 10:21

Whoops! My computer suddenly told me it was going to re-start, so i quickly posted what i'd written so i didn't lose it. I'll carry on now!

Anyhow, Bucky, as i was saying, it does seem that you want to try timing things a bit differently - perhaps you have been stopping a bit prematurely. Don't tire yourselves out but maybe start later in your cycle. As other have said, perhaps give yourselves a couple of cycles like that, but book an appt for after that (either here or in Norway) so that you have something to focus on and motivate you if your efforts don't succeed. I checked on your profile you are 35, so you have time to do things at your pace, and when you are ready.

EI how are things with you today?

When is GG back?? She seems to have been away for aaaaaaages . Good old judith!!

Not much to report here. Am eagerly looking out for ov signs, as i want to get this cycle over with as quickly as possible! Trouble is, i'll probably delay things by focussing too much on it. Better go and listen to my cd and relax!

Madoldbird · 11/09/2008 10:07

Hello ladies

Crumbs, i was too busy to log on yesterday, and look what i missed! Caitni a tentative, tiny, congratulations!! Hope you get a lovely digital BFP very soon. Do keep us updated

SH Hope you are recovering well from the op. Thinking of you, as ever.

JB Have a lovely holiday!

PnM on the arrival of LEO, even though it was expected. Hope you found some chocolate!

readyfornum2 welcome! Look forward to getting to know you. Well done on losing so much weight.

Bucky I would echo what everyone else has said -

EisAHandbagaHolic · 10/09/2008 21:38

hi ladies
SH iv been thinking of you today and i hope you are as well as can be expected xx take care of yourself xxx {{{{{{{{{higs}}}}}}}}}}
caitni congrats on your BFPs!!!! im so happy for you
bucky i understand your reluctance to get the ball rolling ivf wise. i imagine it would feel something like admitting there may be a problem and i am struggling with that concept myself as are quite a few of us here unfortunately it may well be a timing issue like you say and if you feel strongly about it why not set yourself a limit? like say if you BD throughout the time before and straight after ov for say they next cycle after this one (if you dont get a bfp before then) and it still results in af at the end then maybe book an appointment then. that way you have a plan to stick to and something to look to with each eventuality iyswim]smile] tell me to shut it if i am talking waffle though by all means
mob good luck with your appointment
hi to everyone else
4dpo for me today
xx ei xx

JollyBear · 10/09/2008 13:36

Hello all,

I'm so sorry SH . I'll be thinking of you and your family.

bucky I can understand completely why you are putting off getting the IVF ball rolling. MOB gave a good bit of advice about having a chat through all your options with a consultant before you decide.

PnM Ring your DH to order he brings you lots of your favourite chocolates home!! Poor you not being able to get out of the house.

ei FF lines! Hurrah. Hopefully you won't need that appointment

MOB Glad things are progressing so quickly with you.

caitni Congratulations! CBD are not very sensitive from what I've read so I wouldn't worry about that. A line is a line and all that!

I'm off on holiday this weekend so I won't be popping in for a while. Take care everyone.

Caitni · 10/09/2008 11:43

PnM & Bucky thanks for your congrats - it all feels quite strange but I'm very happy (even my knicker checking is less feverish than yesterday ).

PnM you poor thing - no green&blacks! I feel for you, . Hope your DH remembers to bring some home

PicknMix · 10/09/2008 11:13

SH am thinking of you today - echoing (sp?) everyone elses thoughts re coming on here when you're ready. Big higs and am cyber hand holding all day xx

Bucky I think you are very wise to consider all possibilities but agree with Caitni that maybe making an appt for some time in the future would give you something to work towards? Also ditto what MOB says about seeing a private consultant here.

MOB - I think you're absolutely right to try whatever it takes to help you through. Approached in the right way, the CD can only benefit you - if only to give you 30mins or so to totally concentrate on YOU and what you are going to be going through. Your emotions must be all over the place at the mo! I'm excited for you though!

Hi and welcome to readyfornum2! Ei yay for ov!!! And fingers crossed timings were all good this month!

Lastly, but certainly not least, can I utter a quiet CONGRATS to Caitni ? Wow! I'm so chuffed for you! Will be watching your poas addiction with interest for the next installment! Wow again! Just really really happy for you!!

News from me - af/leo arrived this morning. Luckily little pain as am on pretty strong painkillers (for foot) but no choc in the house and am feeling the need to start mainlining the green&blacks and can't get out the house to buy any!! Grr....!!

Bucky2008 · 10/09/2008 11:11

So excited in fact I made at least a million typos on that last post .

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Bucky2008 · 10/09/2008 11:10

OHMYGOD . Bucky is whooping and jiggling around in her chair liek a woman possessed as she writes this. Oh stupid CB digitals . But to BFPs is surely a positive????? Yay AND no AF!!!!. I am going now because I am too excited for Caitni and I am going mad with anticipation. Can I at least whisper a congrats???? ....

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Caitni · 10/09/2008 10:25

Morning all

SH really hope today goes OK for you. I second everything MOB and Bucky and Ei and PnM have said - always remember you can say whatever you want to us and we'll be here to support you through. You will pick yourself up and you will get a BFP that leads to a happy, healthy pregnancy and baby. You're in my thoughts

Bucky TBH we also stop BD-ing right after ov - only some months have we managed to bd the day after ov (as recommended by the fertility monitor and FF). So sounds to me like you're doing plenty. But, if it was me I think I'd want to make an appointment with the clinic for a certain date (eg November) and then BD every night/other night from BD 12 to BD 19 for the cycles in between. I know how hard this is (god, we've had some moments of DH being "unable to perform" and me just going ballistic about it - utterly terrible). That way you're giving your body a chance but you've also set a goal. MOB's advice about seeing a private consultant here to discuss options is also a good idea, and less of a step than Scanhealth...

Readyfornum2 welcome! And well done you for the weight loss - that's inspirational! I hope you get a BFP nice and quickly.

PnM poor you and your blue toes! Glad you're sounding so upbeat though. Roll on your next cycle!

Ei yay for ov! Hope you caught the egg as it would be great for you to have a BFP when you go to meet the consultant. He sounds excellent, which I'm glad of - only the best for you

MOB you must be getting excited about the appointment on Friday (though being a bit scared is totally normal too!). I think you're v smart to buy the IVF CD - mental attitude is a crucial element and you're giving your body (and mind) every chance to make this a success. You go lady!! Rather cheesily, this month I did things like thinking positive affirmative thoughts (along the lines of "I will get pregnant, I will get pregnant" lol) at random times during the day and night. And I think it helped because I've had long-rooted negative thoughts about conceiving (going back to an emergency appendectomy when I was 8 for a burst appendix).

Anyway, update from knicker watch HQ. Still no AF, so officially overdue (I'm now 14 dpo - luteal phase is 12 days) and a much better temp (up to 36.73 despite me taking it nearly 45 mins early as got out of bed at 5.45am, as just had to test!!). Two faint BFPs on FR (one quite faint one last night and a clearer, stronger one this morning - both verified by my excited but more rational DH ). But the bad news is that I got a "not pregant" from CB digi...so I'm going to re-test with the CB digi in three days (as per the instructions) and probably spend a fortune on cheapy tests in between! I can feel a burgeoning addiction to POAS developing that won't be satisfied until I get either my period or the magic "pregnant" on the CD digi!!

Sorry for the rambling message xxx

Bucky2008 · 10/09/2008 09:40

Hi readyfornum2 and welcome. Here's to a BFP for you this month.

Caitni have you tested yet? . Oh I do hope we get some good luck....

SH Big higs again. I am at a bit of a loss for words (for once). Nothing we say can make it better really, but you know you have lots of friends here to listen when you need a good moan. Just know that you can be sad as much as you want and you don't have to stay away whilst you feel that way. We are here to pick up each others peices at all times. And I will do my very best to think of something ridiculous to say to cheer you up.

PnM blue toes sounds v. horrid. It sounds like you are on the mend hopefully . Good for you for being so positive.

MOB How exciting. You are inspiring me. However, I am about to confess to the thing that is making DP and I hesitate about IVF. TMI ALERT: Whilst for months now I have been aware of my ov based on OPKs and temps etc, we generally stop bding immediately afterwards as we are knackered. Ov seems to be generally CD15-16 ish We start back up about CD21ish (at about a once a week rate). However, we are both a bit fed up now as after a two and a half years of going at it like rabbits, sex isn't fun anymore really, it just a means to an end and we can't get our mindset away from thinking like that. We have tried most things like romantic weekends and holidays, but we have had so many exhausted quickies on the important nights that we are rubbish at getting in the mood these days. Consequently, on reflection I think that if I am ov after CD15 and before CD20 that may be a big contributor to the BFNs. That said, we said we would make an effort to BD within that period this month, perhaps start the every other thing later in my cycle but once again we only made it to CD15 and today is CD20 (no bding in between). Anyway, my point is, if the BFNs are simply because we are not doing it at the right time then is IVF the right way to go? I have thought and thought about this, I mean after 2 and a half years we must have done it at the right time some of the months. In the first year and a half or so we did it continuously throughout the month . I don't know....

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readyfornum2 · 10/09/2008 07:08

Hi all
Am I ok to join in?
Have just started ttc number 2 this week!
DP and I already have a 2yr old DS and after much nagging I have finally convinced dp that it is time for number two!

In preparation I have spent the last 6 months loosing 7 stones so that this time I can be a nice healthy mummy lol.

I am approx on CD17 (periods have changed a bit since loosing weight) and dp and I only managed to bd on day 13 so I dont hold out much hope for this first month but I suppose we have to start somewhere lol

Any way I hope there is lots of BFPS for everyone this month x

Madoldbird · 10/09/2008 07:01

Morning all.

SH Good for you having a drink last night - I'm sure you needed it. Thinking of you today. I'm glad they are giving you the op (not that i would wish an operation on anyone, but at least it means they are looking after you IYSWIM) Is this the same tube as last time? Hope they check the other one as well. No reason why you can't conceive with one tube. You WILL pick yourself up (we will make sure of that) You WILL try again, and you WILL get there in the end.

EI 3DPO!! That's good. That appt has come round really quick, and it sounds like you are seeing someone really good. I am so pleased for you.

PnM Blue toes don't sound too good!! Hope your DH is still waiting on you. I am fine thanks, we have another appt at the clinic this friday with the nurse, to plan the treatment and go through all the drugs and how to take them. I am very excited and very scared all at the same time!! You will probably all laugh, but i have bought an IVF self-hypnosis/relaxation CD. I just thought that i want to do everything possible to help it work, and i believe that mental attitude is very powerful. Also, i do tend to get quite stressed about things, so this should hopefully help with that. I am also going to start the reflexology again.

Caitni Am still secretly getting a bit excited for you. Do let us know if you test!!

Bucky Tell DG to get a photo on her MN profile!! Hope she's doing ok. Pick up that phone today - it really sounds like you want to!! As i said yesterday, i completely understand your reluctance. But i suppose that it will do no harm for you & DP to go and have a nice weekend in Norway, whilst visiting the clinic. If you make that step, you might then know if you want to pursue it, or wait a while.

Have a good day everyone. Thinking of you especially SH XX

EisAHandbagaHolic · 09/09/2008 23:55

hi ladies
SH im so so so sorry this is happening to you again im so gutted for you good luck with your op tomorrow and i will be thinking of you and your family as MOB so eloquently put it we will be walking beside you through your entire journey through this awful time for you {{{{{{{{{higs}}}}}}}}}}}
bucky il send you some phone related strength so you can take the step towards the info about the scanhealth ivf it may be the push your eggs need to give you a bfp
caitni good luck with testing tomorrow
i put my temps into Ff this mornin and it has given me thick solid lines i am apparantly 3dpo im not sure wether to believe it or what but i suppose only time will tell i have had my appointment through to see the consultant in LWH on 22nd sept at 11am so hopefully things will become clearer soon
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

MrsHappy · 09/09/2008 22:28

Am having op tomorrow (eek!) - one of my tubes is coming out and hopefully they'll check the other.
Then I pick myself up and try again...

Lots of love to you all. (Have had my first drink in weeks, and am becomng amorous)

PicknMix · 09/09/2008 22:00

Hi all,

Sh I'm so so sorry to hear your news. Everything I write just sounds contrived but I'm thinking of you and your family right now. Biggest higs to you all.

Bucky get on that phone right now!! (well, prob not right now, tis too late, but def tomorrow). I jest of course because I do understand that its a massive step for you to take - you procrastinate for as long as you need to.

Oooo Caitni..... I'm feeling optimistic for you. Fingers crossed that LEO (thanks Bucky!) doesn't arrive and you get to crack open the cb!

Any sign of ov yet Ei???

How are you doing MOB??

I did have to have my plaster cast split because it was too tight. Still having issues with swelling and blue toes but nothing major. Af/Leo due in 2 days I think - be glad to get it over with and start on a new cycle!

Caitni · 09/09/2008 20:52

Quick message from knicker watch HQ - still no sign of La Evil One (Bucky, so much better than Aunt Flo) so bought some CB tests for tomorrow morning as if nothing by then FF is telling me to test (gulp). Fingers firmly crossed. I've never been late, so am now convinced I must have ov'ed later than I thought. We shall see.

Hope every one is doing well - especially you SH to you x

Bucky2008 · 09/09/2008 17:03

SH more higs for you poppet. . Whenever you think some gin will help you let us know and we will meet you.

Caitni how is the knicker watching going? Any sign of La Evil One yet? Oooh check me out, I have coined yet another phrase LEO.....

MOB I saw you over on the other thread, I haven't been there long and they are all going to be quite disappointed in my failure to ring up Scanhealth yet again . I really should. We are being really rubbish at BDing too at the moment though so I think maybe we aren't improving our chances naturally. I never thought it would be so difficult to just PICK UP THE BLEEDIN PHONE . Procrastinate, procrastinate....

GG are you back yet, how long have you been on holiday for ????.

Hey I saw DGs baby on Facebook, so cute....he isn't all creased up or anything...

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Madoldbird · 09/09/2008 15:04

SH (sorry, just can't bear to call you Mrs Happy anymore) I am just so so for you, and of course your DH as well. It seems so unfair and cruel that you should be going through this again. I feel lost for words, but i just want to say that my heart goes out to you. Do take good care of yourself, and remember we are all here for you, and will walk beside you through this awful time. XXXX

Caitni I am a teensy bit hopeful for you too, but like you say i don't want to aid in setting you up for a disappointment. You must be exhausted with all this knickerwatching!! (And here am i, supposed to be working, but instead pondering on the state of your gusset ) Fingers crossed for you.

EI Any sign of that egg yet?? Hope you and DH still have some energy yet!

Bucky I completely understand your reluctance to take the IVF any further. It is a daunting step. We were only able to really get excited about it and make plans once the consultant told us there was no way at all we would ever conceive naturally. It is our only option, so we are happy to go with it. I guess in your situation, though, you still have no reason why things haven't happened naturally (aside from the fibroid, which, it seems, no one is concerned about) So i completely understand your feeling that it still should happen naturally. And of course that is the best, and the easiest option. (And the most fun ) IVF is a huge step, and you must only go with it when you are ready. You are still young (I can't remember your age, but i know everyone here is younger than me!!) so take your time and make further enquiries when you feel ready. I would still suggest you make an appt to see a consultant here privately, just to discuss your situation in general, and options available to you.

Hello to everyone else - hope you are all ok. XX

Caitni · 09/09/2008 15:00

Oh MrsH I'm so sorry . You poor thing, you must be heartbroken . Please don't post if you're too upset. Take care of yourself (and your DD and your DH) and give yourself time to grieve.

MrsHappy · 09/09/2008 14:34

Hi all
Am too to post much. It's another ectopic. Not sure what happens next but my fertility begins to look decidely ropey.

Caitni · 09/09/2008 14:30

MrsH hope the scan went OK. Am thinking of you xx

Bucky I think you're perfectly normal to procrastinate a little. The step from natural ttc to assisted ttc is a big one, so it's OK to take a little time to get used to the idea. Natural ttc is what we're designed for after all. But don't feel hopeless, if anything there's every chance you'll be the typical case of "I got my BFP right before my IVF appointment!". Which is enough of a reason to keep bd-ing away while waiting for your appointment . The important thing for me about assisted conception is it's a matter of "when" rather than "if" (yes, I've thought about it extensively as my body seems intent on not allowing me to conceive naturally!!). Still though, I'll be glad when you make that appointment. It'll be exciting to follow your progress!

Still no AF from me, I usually start in the morning so of course going to the bathroom approx once an hour. So tiresome. Temp still not great (about 36.58 - pretty much the same as yesterday) but boobs still comedy sore. I'm still a teensy bit hopeful, but trying not to set myself up for too much of a disappointment...

Bucky2008 · 08/09/2008 22:41

Who is she MrsH, we better send the boys round to that surgery! grr.

Caitni I am too chicken to ring. I am being a total weirdo about it. I just want it to happen naturally . I can't ring from work really so I am making excuses as to why I haven't rung up yet. It just seems so final, like there is no hope. I don't know what my problem is....I want a baby....

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Caitni · 08/09/2008 22:06

MrsH god, what a rubbish GP!! Good luck tomorrow [cyber hand-holding emoticon] - really hope it's better news xx