The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

ei - wow, I am impressed at 8lbs lost through healthy improvements. I am about a stone over what I should be, so I have instigated a low GI plan and hoping to be like you and drop some weight soon (I want to be back to my old weight by Christmas, which seems do-able). Thnaks for inspiring me. Do you have any top tips?

hello everyone

just a quick message from me. Broadband isn't working at home and I am being careful about internet use at work these days, so shorter and less frequesnt posts, but I still ove you all.

Caitni - I am so sorry . You sound super positive despite all the emotional pain and your time WILL come. We're all here for you. I think it is good to have a target date in mind for when you say, hey maybe we need some help. Everything crossed for next month, because at least you know that you had a BFP.

unituber - how is the oozy belly button? Don't worry, you haven't killed the thread . I think it's only time to really worry when the bellybutton goo looks like the inside of a Cadbury's Creme Egg . Hope the pain is getting better and you are mobile. Is your DH being as good at washing and domestic chores at Picknmix's?

picknmix - is your foot any better? has the pain lessened at all? Sorry to hear abotu the rabbit chewed cable.

Bucky - any news with you?

hello to everyone missed, especially MOB and lou and everyone.

We have the follow up sperm test results appointment this afternoon at the hospital. We find out if 9 weeks of abstinence from alcohol has made DH's swimmers especially perky and much more numerous, well perky enough to cast aside their zimmers and numerous enough to fertilise an egg.

He admits that he can't work out whether he wants there to be an improvement or not . No improvement means he can still drink, because his abstinence hasn't made any difference to his sperm count (if he does resume, it will be moderately, if I've got anything to do with it ). Noticable improvement = no drinking any alcohol at all until we get a BFP followed by a little one, which he is NOT looking forward to 'cause it could be years, but he will do it, I think.

will keep you posted,

JG x

hi caitni im so sorry it is all over but nice to see how philosophical and optimistic you are about the whole situation and your future good plan to get healthy (one i am adopting for myself im up to 8lb lost now) loads of {{{{{{{{higs}}}}}}}} and big (*) bags of luck and sticky baby dust for you
readyfornum2 sorry i havent said hi earlier good luck and dont lose hope just yet as we say it not over til the red lady flows
i hope everyone is having a nice sunday
xx ei xx

Hi all x
Well its cd21 for me today and no signs as of yet but I doubt I will get any because not hopeful for this month with it being the 1st one.

Hope everyone else is doing ok and that we will see some bfps soon x x

Hi all

Lovely sunny day here in Brighton

UniT Hope your belly button isn't hurting too much! I'm sorry to hear about you losing a tube, but I agree that having it out improves your odds of a healthy pregnancy no end - your lovely pink tube will step up and your Dr will be seeing you in antenatal clinic before long!

MOB how did the app on Friday go?

Ei 7 dpo already! Fingers crossed that there's no AF on Thurs and instead you get a nice strong BFP xx

PnM at your DH bustling around with the housework - he sounds like he's doing all he can to help!

Bucky sorry to hear of the stress with flights, holidays, kennels etc. I hope you can work things out in the way that works best for you and your DP. Your post about day time tv had me giggling

JudithG loving the temporary name change! I echo everyone else who say that it's most likely that the person on the phone didn't communicate properly. Things are starting in January, so they'll have to work around that regardless. Hope you're over your jet lag btw

Thanks everyone for your kind words and support - CD3 for me so things are definitely over. I was v upset on Friday, but am feeling much better now. What's meant to be and all that. UniT you're right, the fact that an egg was fertilised at all after so long trying was a huge boost, and I'm going to look on the bright side with that. I've decided to get healthier - low GI, more accupuncture, yoga and also the supplements that Marilyn Glenville recommends in her book Natural Solutions to Infertility. Time for me (and my DH) to get into tip top shape so the next little bean sticks! We've decided to keep trying naturally until January, and if no news by then we''ll start investigations.

So now off to Boots to stock up on linseed oil and the like

Happy Sunday to all xx

hi ladies
judith (great name btw really suits you) iv realised that my post the other day sounded quite insensitive i read it back to myself and im sorry if i sounded like i was saying you shouldnt feel upset etc i meant it like if you were to rip off a plaster quickly it gets the pain out of the way and in the open instead of the uncertainty/anticipation of the pain and then the pain aswell iyswim i hope you are ok and your jet lag has worn off now
caitni im so sorry hun that you think things are over for you {{{{{{{{higs}}}}}}}}}}
PnM glad your DH is taking good care of you and over the fabulous daytime tv. i miss it working full time now one of the limited benefits of breaking a bone
unituber (fabulously darkly humourous name xx) i hope you're healing ok and you are not feeling too bad in yourself and i think you are so brave and strong to still be the lovely person you are after having to go through so much xx (that goes for every last one of you xx)
i hope everyone else is doing well and having a nice weekend
7dpo for me today af due on thursday and FF saying to test next saturday so who knows eh??!!
xx ei xx

Oh gosh, my oozing bellybutton has killed the thread.

Caitni how are you doing today poppet?

Gag - the bellybutton one seems to be oozing a bit. Let's hope the air dries it out...

I'm good thanks Picknmix. am about to go in the bath and take off my plasters to reveal the devastation beneath...

How's your foot? Your DH sounds like a total star. Do you know what I discovered today? On TV channel websites you can watch programmes you've missed. Perhaps I am a bit slow for not noticing this before.... But today I watched "Lost in Austen" (a bit shit but I do like Jemima Rooper) and "The Children" (creepy, about really selfish parents) on the ITV website. Kept me occupied for hours, so worth a look!

Evening all,

Caitni how are you doing? Been thinking about you all afternoon. Have you tried to get a doctors appt at all?

How are you feeling Unituber??

JG (loving the name change!), it does seem that when it comes to the NHS, patience is key for patients (gahhhhh, bad bad pun, apologies ). I'm also with Unituber on this - it does sound like communication skills were severely lacking in the person you spoke to (interesting when that is their job !!!) but I think you can have full confidence in the medical side of things.

Naughty Molly-Dog Bucky - I can understand your DP's annoyance!! My rabbit ate his way through my laptop cable again the other day - my fault for leaving it in his way I guess, surprised he didn't get a shock cos it buggered up my laptop in the process and lost a load of work!! Watched a bit of Doctors, followed by Diagnosis Murder topped off by some classic Murder She Wrote today - missed 60 Min Makeover though (love this program, how do they manage it in 60 mins?!).

Best go have a conversation with DH - he appears to be obsessed with doing the laundry, cleaning and washing up at the moment.... Not that I'm complaining but it does mean I hardly see him (think he's trying to prove he can look after me and the house but he's going to end up knackered!).

Bucky I wonder about that too. But then I remember all the people who have left our thread and had successful pregnancies. There are bound to be a few of us for whom it takes a little longer. And hey, maybe if we are not all up the duff by Christmas next year we should club together for a group baby buying trip somewhere in the third world or to buy a giant multi-pack of Clomid.

caitni I hope you're ok. If this does turn out to be a chem pregnancy after all, then please take some hope from it. Your eggs and your DH's sperm work. They can get together in the right place. Maybe this one is not meant to be, but the next one will and it won't be a long wait I am sure. In the meantime (((higs)))

oh, no caitni - take care of yourself. Really hope everything is ok. take yourself home and let us know how you are later and everything crossed for you. DG had a lot of bleeding early in her pregnancy.

unituber - i think you are absolutely right about the bad tube being removed. I am so pleased you are feeling better. The damaged tube was causing you medical problems and emotional heartache and without it, you would have a safer pregnancy for starters. You and your DH have managed to conceive three times but they didn't make it because of your damaged FT, so you are both really fertile. Now you no longer have to worry about the possibility of another ectopic it will be liberating and you have the certainty that your other tube is pristine

hello to everyone else and especially picknmix 'cause I won't forget her again

Arg - I am sorry Caitni. Take care of yourself. What was your temp doing this morning?

Thanks to Mr GG for his concern. It's funny - hardly anyone I know in r/l knows what's been happening, but it is still nice to have you lot and people out there in the ether pulling for me. GG re your appointment, do you think the hospital mean they don't book pre-consultation appointments this far in advance? Sometimes I think the people who answer the phone don't explain themselves too well... Don't worry re the NHS. I know they seem disjointed and, IME, they lack the time to put much "care" (you know, the feely touchy stuff) into looking after you, but the Doctors will really know what they are doing on the medical side which is the important thing.

(BTW, I wanted to add, I'm not too bothered about the tube being removed. Since 2 eps happened on that side I can only assume it would have gone on to cause more. With it gone I stand half a chance...)

Oh shit Caitni I'm really really sorry to hear this. Absolutely right to head home you poor thing. Please take care of yourself and let us know when you get home safely. Everything I write sounds like fluff but I'm thinking of you and sending you big cyber hugs. xx

Just a quick post from me - spotting started this morning and seems to be getting heavier, redder blood, with cramps (I never get cramps) and (tmi alert) and some clotty stuff...looks like this bean isn't sticking. I'm pretty upset - leaving the office with a "stomach bug" as can't face an afternoon of feeling like crying in our open plan office. Will check in later and catch up on everyone's news.

SH/UniT so glad to hear from you.

hello! 'Tis me, GG I thought I'd name change for a few days.

Arghhh *picknmix, I am so sorry. I knew last night I had left you off my mammoth post and I had an attack of the guilts at about 2am (jetlagged, I was awake ) that I hadn't included you. How is your poor foot feeling and you did make me laugh with the "extreme tennis" comment, he he. I hope it's hurting less now and are you more mobile?

scary/Unituber - you have made me laugh with your new nickname . Phew! My DH was worried about you too. I told him last night what had happened and he emailed this morning to see if we'd heard from you on WIMBEWAIF, so we have all been cheering for you. I am so glad to hear you are feeling ok, despite the discomfort of the pierced belly button and you can joke with some black humour about what happened. But I am so that they didn't manage to save the tube, but if the other one was prisine, that's bl**dy fantastic. It will happene for you, I know it.

Bucky - for you about the lack of flights to Oslo and the holiday issues. Is there any compromise that could be done at work about a day unpaid leave or something? I know the logistics are a bit daunting, but they sounded such a great outfit.

ei - you are absolutely right about contacting my friend. I came round to that way of thinking and whatever happens she is a lovely person and I am really pleased for her. It is not her fault we are having difficulties TTC, so it seems nasty to be so self obsessed at her good news. It just came at a bad moment and she is a little tactless. I'll call her tomorrow . I was feeling very "poor me" for a few days, but I am much cheerier now (because plannign my next trip always cheers me up . No, I am JOKING! Really, honestly! No more trips planned for now )

hello to caitni and MOB and all the other regulars and newbies, up the duff or otherwise

Spoke to the Hammersmith and tried to book my pre-consultation appointment in December, one month before beginning my scheduled treatment in January, like they asked me to in the letter. They said there was no pre-consultation appointments available in the whole of December, so I got really worried and asked if that meant that beginnign my treatment in January was in doubt or would be postponed!? They said said "No, we have to fit you in in December, your treatment will be in January. But we can't give you any appointment because there are none" "So what happens now and where does that leave me? I don't mind waiting at the end of the day for an appointment" "Erm, I don't know what happens. We'll call you back"

Originally, I was quite happy with the NHS. So far a good experience and I didn't even mind the slowness and waiting, because it gave me time to come to terms with the possibility of IVF and because I held out a tiny hope we would conceive naturally before assisted conception was needed, but I am now beginnign to worry. I've heard so many tales of the inefficiencies and poor communication.

The shake and slap was to bring me out of my self-obsessed fug - not sure the sentence really made sense though!

Morning all,

SH/UNI its lovely to hear from you. I'm very that they were unable to save your tube but really really pleased that there are no signs of abnormality and your remaining tube is rivaling GGs pristine innards. Hope your DH is ok and looking after you well whilst you're in pain. More higs and love for you xx

GG tis lovely to have you back! I missed you and still love you (even if you did leave me and my broken bones off your mammoth post ). Your holiday sounds like bliss (apart from af arrival - horrible for you ) with no outside world interruptions. I think you are perfectly ok to ignore friends email request for a few days, you need to 'regroup' after your holiday anyway and if you think its gonna be a difficult phonecall then its best to make sure you're in the right state of mind for it. I'm really sorry to hear that af arrival has really taken its toll this month, your DH sounds lovely and I'm pleased he can support you - it must be so tough for him as well. God this ttc lark is just plain tough isn't it? No-one told me it would be quite so fraught with pitfalls and I just feel so much for each and every one of us on this thread.

Heard a phrase the other day that I liked - 'hormotional' which sums me up today!

Hows the not-symptom-spotting-apart-from-achey-boobs-headaches-tiredness-and-a-strange-dizzy/fluffy-feeling-t o-your-head going Ei? . Have fingers and, well, just fingers crossed for you (plaster cast puts paid to anything else being crossed!) - only a week to go!

Bucky - bugger about the flights across to Norway. Is there no way it will work for you? If I could, I'd come and look after your doggies for you but I'd have to bring my rabbit and I'm not sure Fin would appreciate that!

Did you get a Dr's appt Caitni? Still smiling at your bfp!

Any sign of ov yet Mob?

Lovely to see you JB, hope you have a fab holiday

Hi to Lou if you're lurking!

I'm off work today and it is truely glorious sunshine this morning - can't really go anywhere to enjoy it but it makes the view from my sofa more appealing! Choc has been duly bought and consumed Bucky - DH very good and knows the catestrophic results of a PnM without chocolate...!

AF almost gone (only lasted 2 days ) but I've got to the stage now where a new cycle doesn't herald the return of optimism. Still got a month left until DH's SA - feels like forever away and I'm guessing it'll prob take twice as long for the results to come through.... Oooo, must give myself a shake and a slap!!

Hi ladies
It's me, SH, back from the hospital with a new name to commemorate.

Firstly, congratulations to Caitni. I know it's a feint line but honestly after months of clear BFNs, you know when there is a line, don't you? Have you got the magic CBD yet?

And welcome back to GG. I'm glad the holiday was fun, notwithstanding the arrival of LEO. And with all the ttc malarky and you and your DH both working so hard it's really important that you get some decent time together to remind you that you're not just on a baby-making mission. So yay for holidays!

I hope you caught that egg Ei. I am expecting good news from you...

Welcome to readyfornum2. Wishing you a short stay on the TTC threads!

Bucky it does sound like you need to review the timing a bit. Can you manage sex every 2 days through your cycle and a bit more in days 15-20? If not, maybe try for every 3 days and use preseed? I've been hearing good things about those Scandinavian clinics too (although I have visions of them churning out identikit blonde children) as if my remaining tube is not as good as it looks we'll need to go for IVF too...

I hope your toes have become pink again PnM and that being an invalid is not too dull.

MOB I didn't realise you too have succumbed to the lure of the relaxation CD! Does yours make you melt like butter too?

Update from me... the doctor tried to save my tube but I bled a lot so in the end they just removed it. The other one looks pink and perfect (I saw some photos!) and my ovaries look good too. There is no sign of any abnormality so it looks like my first ectopic was just one of those things and the second one may have been the result of the damage caused by the first. Either way I now have a very sore belly button. Bucky when you had your lap, how long were you sore for? I want to be able to move again! The doctor said to wait a few months before trying again but also that it wouldn't do any harm if I got pregnant sooner, which I am taking as my cue to get back on with things as soon as I stop hurting. I may wait one cycle but only if I feel like it! The Dr said he expected to see me at the ante-natal clinic in a few months so that has cheered me up.

Thanks for all the support and higs the last week or so. It's been pretty shocking but it means a lot to have you all on my side.

hi ladies
judith GG great to see you back sounds like your holiday was fab with the exception of LEO turning up and spoiling the last few days good luck with this next coming cycle and i think just bite the bullet with your friend and email her back as the news will be no less upsetting whether it is now or at another time i have done this with another friend of mine who has recently announced her preg and she is due near to the time i would have been with my last MC she also announced her first preg about a week after my first MC as she waits til after her 12 week scans to announce. both times she knew about my problems and both times she basically sed "sorry for your loss guess what im preg" in the same breath!! ahh well some things are always hard for people to be sensitive about i suppose i hope you are ok and you have a gorgeous golden tan from all that bali sunshine
bucky hi i hope you are ok and currently seeing some promising symptoms what dpo are you? im 5dpo aparrantly we might be testing buddies
SH i hope you are doing well and are not suffering from your op xxx
hi to MOB and caitni and all our preggo lurkers
im pretty sure my ov date is right as m y temp shift has been quite obvious so definitely 5DPO for me so i have about a week til i should test according to my LP but 9 days according to FF who knows eh! i think me and DH timed it quite well but as usual i am not getting my hopes up (despite the achey boobs, headaches, tiredness and a strange dizzy/fluffy feeling to my head) so im not watching out for symptoms...apart from those ones
xx ei xx

GG I'm here! And we love you!! It's so lovely to have you back - we've missed you ! And so glad you and Mr GG got to have a proper, no internet holiday (capped with the upgrade, how swish!!). But I'm so sorry to hear La Evil One got you though - it's so hard, the rollercoaster of emotions to you. Your DH sounds like such a good support. And you're not a bad friend for not responding to your friend's email - you only just landed in the UK at half five this morning! Coming back from holidays is the perfect cover for a few days procrastination to be ready to be happy for your friend (having said that, I've got a friend in D.C. that had a baby three weeks ago and I'm still procrastinating sending the proper joyful email & card/present - so I'm not really one to talk!). Sorry to hear about the job worry - hope things pick up soon.

MOB good luck tomorrow with your appointment! Hope this cycle flies by for you

Ei I hope you get your BFP this month - keeping my fingers crossed xx

JollyBear hello! Hope that you and Jollycub are doing well!

SH hope you got on OK yesterday - sending you lots of cyber support and to you.

Bucky hope you're doing well today xx

Thanks for the congrats MOB GG Ei and JB - it's such early days for me (4 wks + 3 days) that it all feels quite unreal...bar the sore boobs, tiredness and peeing! I'm still on ferocious knicker watch (tmi alert: it feels quite wet down below so keep thinking, "oh no La Evil One has just arrived"...so rush to bathroom to nervously check and nothing). A big part of me thinks that perhaps I just ovulated late and that LEO is about to arrive (typical...the one month when I can't pinpoint ovulation almost to the second is the one month I get a faint BFP). I'm too nervous to join any AN thread, which seem to be full of lovely ladies with heaps of symptoms and experience of pregnancy. Too intimidating for me at the moment! My DH is happy, but probably even more nervous than I am. I'm off to register with a doctor tomorrow morning as had not got around to it after we moved to Brighton . Doubt I'll get an appointment before next week at this rate but hopefully it'll all start to feel a bit more real if I can make it that far with no AF.

Enough rambling from me!
Caitni xx

Cooooeeeee! Where are you all?

Nobody loves me anymore....

Bllody hell and I missed all the stuff I planned to say to you caitni and how bloody EXCITED I am for you!! A big fat BFP is exactly what we need round here to give us some hope.

You must be thrilled. How did your DH take it? Is he over the moon? . IT's ther best news. How was your holiday? I must give myself another one soon

will check in with you all later