Dh has crap sperm...implications?

No LyndsayS - not too late! oooh so they can do something about antibodies then!!!?? The consultant basically said once you have them - thats it - no treatment. full stop. Buuut he is a gynae consultant so maybe he doesn't know about steroids - did a urologist prescribe them to him?

I think we will prob need AI but will have to pay for it (easier said than done)

Too late Pink?? Sorry, have been so busy, haven't had chance to be on here.

We've been ttc for 19 months. You've described my dh's situation - antibodies, hence the steroids. He's finished his 7 week course now, and I think we might start seeing the results in July/Auguts. I've just finished round 2 of clomid, so maybe I'll be getting better ov-ing. Who knows. Getting rather despondent, and just wish that we could get this bit over with (the bit that we aren't very good at!) and get onto AI....

Lots of luck with the the bean downbutnotout, I have all my fingers crossed for you x

There are some studies that suggests that what is going on with the sperm DNA can indeed affect conception and pregnancy outcome.

It's relatively new and doesn't relate in any way to conventional sperm analysis parameters.

Try googling 'sperm dna fragmentation'.

WOOHOOOOO Katie! I bet you cant wait! Are you travelling far for it? We had to go to newcastle for DH's op so had consultation done on day of surgery.

sperm up duffing should meet WHO minimums which are:

Sperm count

Sperm count measures how many sperm are in a man's ejaculate. Anything over 20 million sperm per milliliter is considered normal.[2][1] Anything less is considered oligospermia. A vasectomy is considered successful if the sample is azoospermic, or if only rare non-motile sperm are observed (fewer than 100,000 per milliliter).[7]

[edit] Motility

The motility of the sperm is evaluated. WebMD defines normal motility as 50% of observed sperm, or at least 8 million per milliliter, showing good forward movement.[2] For instance, a man can have a total amount (sperm count) of far over the limit of 20 million sperm cells per milliliter, but still have bad quality, because too few of them are motile. However, if the sperm count is very high, then a motility of less than 50% might not matter, because the fraction might still be more than 8 million per milliliter. The other way around, a man can have a sperm count far less than 20 million sperm cells per milliliter and still have good motility, if more than 60% of those observed sperm cells show good forward movement.

The World Health Organization (WHO) criteria are that normal motility is when at least 50% of observed sperm move forward normally.[1]

[edit] Morphology

The morphology of the sperm is also evaluated. With WHO criteria, a sample is normal if 15% or more of the observed sperm have normal morphology.[1] If morphology is evaluated using the strict criteria developed by Dr. Thinus Kruger,[8] a sample is normal if 14% or more of the observed sperm have normal morphology.[1]

HTH

CAn my Dh have a T-Shirt with "Trapped Sperm" on ?
He is in for his consultation for his reversal on SATURDAY !!!
Just a bit excited lol
So what is good sperm then, is there a minimum required to get you up duffed ?

Hi LyndsayS, yep come in, make yourself comfy its like the home for destitute reproductive organs in here!

My DH hasn't been prescribed anything yet, not sure they can actually prescribe anything as his crap sperm is the result of a vasectomy (and subsequent reversal) which cuases scarring (therefore preventing the little buggers getting out) and sperm antibodies (probably - having more tests to confirm this at the mo) which bind to them and stop them from swimming (which is caused by sperm escaping from the cut ends into the pelvic cavity and the body seeing them as a foreign body and developing stuff to kill them!

Also looks like I'm not Ov'ing too so under the care of a gynaecology consultant at the mo but not due to go see him again til August

how long have you been TTC?

Can I join in?? We're both crap - well, mixed results on me (for 7 months now I've been told I'm not ov-ing, but then they gave me clomid last month (just started 2nd cycle today) but said that I am ov-ing....). But my dh has low motility because of his white blood cells killing them off...

So, he's been on a course of steriods for 6 weeks now (1 week left). Have any of your dh's been prescribed anything? He doesn't smoke, never taken drugs & doesn't drink much... He's 41 though..

....or for the t'shirt "free the one crap sperm" LOL boom boom!

Downbutnotout - WOW did it take you long to conceive each time?

We have been trying for nearly a year now with no luck - but my god your story has given me hope!

I'll put DH's name down for one of those T shirts

Sorry wannabe I have to disagree too....My ovaries are crap! We joke about it...and his crap sperm, we are a fertility disaster!

As down but not out says - you cant possibly comment on someone else's relationship in this way as you haven't met,seen, experienced the struggle we've had, we deal with it in our own way and calling my ovaries crap and his sperm rubbish actually de-personalises it in a way since thats not really about blaming each other, its about blaming the notion of an organ /cells we can't even see.

I would feel upset if my ovaries were called crap.

My DH says his sperm is in abundance but going the wrong way!! We do laugh about it!!

Story of hope......

my friends DH had an AWFUL (not crap!!) sperm analysis- forgot about TTC as it seemed impossible. Their DD is 5 months, and her DH didnt even give up smoking some people are born lucky!!!

Hello Wannabe

dont know if you will remember me (Ammy?)

Hope you are ok- are you still TTC. I've seen you on here a couple of times- hope you are ok.

at the risk of sounding harsh here, while I know that one has to retain a sense of humour after ttc for a long time, I do think it's slightly unfair to refer to dh's sperm as crap.

I think dh's are under an immense amount of pressure to perform and to put up with the endless emotions of the ttc process, so when the problem is theirs they find it very hard to deal with, even though they may seem ok about it all on the surface.

If the problem was yours and your dh referred to you as having crap ovaries wouldn't it touch a nerve somewhat?

My DH has had a sperm analysis last year- 117 million sperm per ml but only 6% morphology - however clinic said not to worry as quantity makes up for it- is that right? think ive got that right. not sure if thats a dodgy result or not but have got him on loads of vits and no alcohol anyway.

Anyway, we have conceived, I miscarried but after 15 months we got there. Checked out the lesley reagen info on this and she says no- if the sperm was dodgy it wouldnt even get to the stage of penetrating the egg.

I was worried about this too. Now am just worried about TTC again!!! We are just gonna do the same as before- shag like rabbits. It does absolutely no harm to quantity of sperm but can improve quality cos it gives the little buggers more space- zita west says so, so it must be true!! worked for us anyway.

For what its worth and I'm sure Chocolate will agree cos she is an absolute guru (waves at chocolate- meant to CAT you but my subscription ran out, need to renew) EVERY man in England has prob got a little bit on his SA that is not up to scratch but they are being made all the time SO you can change it!!

Downbutnotout - I suggest a badge should say something cryptic like 'poor swimmers club' to save blushes!

Hey my DH has cack sperm too! woohoo high fives other ladies

I know my DH wouldnt get pissy about me describing them as cack either

My dh had a vasectomy reversal last july and has :

Motility = 20%
count= 11.3 million/ml
morphology = 8.9% normal.

has anyone concieved over 30 wih sperm this cack!?

Badges...yes please!! however I'm not sure DP would appreciate me advertising the fact!!

When I first joined MN I asked about bad sperm and no-one else seemed to be in same boat...glad to know someone else is in same boat...although not good for you!

Badges...yes please!! however I'm not sure DP would appreciate me advertising the fact!!

When I first joined MN I asked about bad sperm and no-one else seemed to be in same boat...glad to know someone else is in same boat...although not good for you!

Hi downbutnotout can I join the crap sperm club?! (and my DP knows how I refer to his little swimmers - or floaters cos they just won't move - and he doesn't mind!!)

He also has poor motility and 94% levels of abnormality!

But to answer your question poor quality sperm has no implication on an embryo. The quality of the DNA is not affected, just there ability to move and do the job! Once your egg has been feritlised its the same as if he had 100% perfect sperm! We had this conversation with doctor when we found out.

And my partner is blaming himself for taking too many drugs in his youth (he was a proper rebel!!) and now drinking more than he should...but changing habits now can make a difference!