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Zilch, de nada, niente

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Shadoworshade · 27/05/2025 11:31

DH and I have been actively TTC since March 2024. Off the pill for a year before that. Regular but very light periods. Ovulation positive. Not a smidgen of a BFP. Normal BMI, healthy diet, non smoker, take all the vitamins, do SMEP etc etc. Month after month.

It has turned me into a shell of a person. So much pain, so many regrets. Irony of ironies, DH and I have been together since uni – but spent so much time getting ourselves to a better place financially (moving up to the career ladder, getting out of renting, then first property, then another move during Covid) before trying. Stupidly, naively, we thought it would just happen. Not helped by example of friends having successful natural pregnancies in their late 30s/40. My Dad got cancer in late 2022, which threw us off for another while. We even waited until we had renovated our property – we wanted to ‘have all our ducks in a row’ (especially DH, who was daunted by fatherhood, and didn’t mind putting it off – I should have pushed for us to start trying but thought it would then happen, even if a bit later than I would have liked).

And then, after all the planning and waiting – zilch, de nada, niente. Month after month. So many years of taking the pill, being careful. Trying to do things right. And when we finally try: nothing.

Saw GP who did Day 21 bloods – al fine. She then told me I’m too old (at grand old age of 38) for NHS fertility treatment in my area. (Another case of putting a lot into the system and getting nothing back – have been a higher rate tax payer for 14 years). Have been doing acupuncture since February, with a strict, kind, Chinese lady (“Better but not good enough” is what she says every month – feels like the story of my life).

DH is very supportive but quite analytical: compares it to the chance of rolling a 6 at dice – says it’s a numbers game and we just have to be lucky once. (Although, mathematically speaking: if probability (BFP) = 1/6 every month, then BFP (over 18 months) = 3. Yet not a single BFP in reality!)

Feel so isolated. Women at work (younger than me) have already had two, or one and TTC their second. They clearly got their priorities right in the first half of their 30s. Compared to the naïve idiot I have been. Days are minefields of pain:

  • Driving to work through local village at school drop off time, parents holding children’s hands. Saw a little girl skip next to her mother the other day, with that lovely moment of connection as their eyes met and they laughed together. A little boy jumping in a puddle with his rainbow umbrella. My heart shattered – will I ever have that?
  • My team at work, bemoaning the lack of sleep they’ve had, how x’s nursery have rung and they have to leave early, how x has had really smelly nappies recently. I envy them all of it.
  • One woman at work, who moans endlessly about how she wishes she’d delayed having her kids until a bit later. Despite my saying, ruefully, be careful what you wish for. She keeps saying to younger girls in the team – don’t do it, enjoy your life!
  • The GP who said to me “well, lots of women now are having their second baby at your age”. Meant to be reassuring, but had the vibe of “you might just get to join the good girls’ club if you’re lucky”.
  • The positive thinking brigade – your time will come, just relax, or some other inane vacuous drivel. (I have actually tried Marisa Peer but it had the whiff of victim blaming – if it doesn’t happen, you haven’t been positive enough! Happy thoughts NOW!)

It’s got to the stage where I’ve cried at random moments to colleagues. One man was surprisingly lovely, said that his wife had had two miscarriages and that a lot of people suffer behind the scenes. Another sympathetic GP said fertility seems inversely proportionate to effort. But most people haven’t lingered too long in the world of TTC and don’t get it / don’t want to go there.

I’m going to a private fertility clinic next week for scan and bloods. DH very uncomfortable about SA. I will do IVF if recommended.

My job is very demanding – long hours, stress. Daily yoga helps as does time in nature at the weekends. And reading – the ultimate comfort.

This has turned out far longer than I was expecting. I’m not sure what I’m asking for – I guess: experiences of TTC around this age? How to keep going and keep some semblance of self?

I have a mental bargain with myself – if I’m not pregnant by 40, I’ll resign from my job, sell the property and move away somewhere new with DH. I can’t keep living this way indefinitely.

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DoraBella88 · 27/05/2025 18:29

Please have hope ❤️ myself and DH have been trying for over 10yrs. Last year something clicked and I got pregnant, sadly ended in MC. But I was like you, staring at stark white tests for so long then suddenly I got my BFP. I then got another BFP after my MC, another loss and this year the same again. It’s like my body realised what it was supposed to do at bloody last. For reference I’m 36 so on the slightly older side too.
sending lots of baby dust to you x

LittleCosette · 27/05/2025 17:44

ByByBy · 27/05/2025 17:39

I really empathise with your situation. The postcode lottery is incredibly cruel and unfair. The only positive may be that you may actually get to ivf stage and get pregnant quicker, going private, if that’s any solace. (Just going from friends experience). I hope your partner will be brave and willing for the semen analysis, really important to get that checked soon. I know some men feel very sensitive and uncomfortable about it, but it does need to be done for you to proceed. There are lots of things that can be done to help both of you to have a baby, so don’t lose heart.
I am in a similar boat age etc but am lucky that I may be getting NHS ivf- because I have such a messed up reproductive system because of health issues! Gah. So not really sure how it will all work out.
Completely get you, the pain of other people having their seconds and much younger women talking about age pressure etc. It’s incredibly painful and can feel really isolating. So sympathy from me.

My husband is reluctant for SA and I find it very selfish of him. I’m jumping through every hoop going and putting the blame squarely on myself when he won’t even do this. It’s very out of character for him as he would go to the end of the Earth for me so I can only assume it’s genuine fear.

LittleCosette · 27/05/2025 17:39

I’ve found this a really interesting read. I had a baby is totally unsuitable situation 6 years ago and have worked so hard to build her a secure life and now I am married and have a home we seem to be unable to get pregnant. Like others I naively thought it would be easy now I have my ducks in a row to use local language!
I also agree with the not knowing part being so difficult. It’s the hope that kills you!
Best of luck ladies wherever your journey takes you!

ByByBy · 27/05/2025 17:39

I really empathise with your situation. The postcode lottery is incredibly cruel and unfair. The only positive may be that you may actually get to ivf stage and get pregnant quicker, going private, if that’s any solace. (Just going from friends experience). I hope your partner will be brave and willing for the semen analysis, really important to get that checked soon. I know some men feel very sensitive and uncomfortable about it, but it does need to be done for you to proceed. There are lots of things that can be done to help both of you to have a baby, so don’t lose heart.
I am in a similar boat age etc but am lucky that I may be getting NHS ivf- because I have such a messed up reproductive system because of health issues! Gah. So not really sure how it will all work out.
Completely get you, the pain of other people having their seconds and much younger women talking about age pressure etc. It’s incredibly painful and can feel really isolating. So sympathy from me.

Luckycatlady · 27/05/2025 17:22

Shadoworshade · 27/05/2025 14:42

Thanks so much for the replies Luckycatlady and MantaFish.

@Luckycatlady, it’s exactly that feeling of having ‘done everything right’ and hitting a brick wall. With most other things in life, there’s a broad effort/reward correlation – e.g. you work hard, you pass your exams; you take up exercise and have more energy etc. I know I sound very type A, but the lack of control is doing my head in.

That, and the uncertainty. Strange as it sounds, if someone told me now ‘you definitely won’t have kids, it’s not possible’, it would come as a weird relief. I would know and could start trying to get my head around it. Instead I’m just limping on, month to month, in a horrible limbo. High hopes at the start of every cycle (‘let’s go again, maybe this is our month’), the week or so of dtd (feeling good about taking action), the week after (hopeful, symptom spotting) then the slow downward descent to AF (not feeling any different, knowing in my bones that nothing has happened). I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

I completely agree with you @Luckycatlady about putting everything into being settled and trying to provide a stable environment for a baby. That’s exactly what we’ve been doing! It is a sort of comfort to know – same as you – that I wouldn’t have been able to give them that stable life in earlier years. Feels like I can now provide for them financially and emotionally – but have I left it too late physically? It is such a real visceral fear as you say. I keep telling myself that I can only do what I can do today, and then the day after – in other words, taking it one day at a time. If I fast forward too much, I start to spiral.

I know what you mean about ‘friends’ messaging. How on earth do they think these little nudges are going to land? That and office acquaintances – someone from another department asked me ‘so do you have kids’, me (struggling for a response) – no, not yet, hopefully at some point; she – what does that mean? I mumbled something about trying for a family and made an excuse to leave. Ugh.

MantaFish – I am sorry to hear what you have been through. That is so hard. The success stories seem everywhere: you want to believe them but they can also give false hope. And the endless annoying ‘tips’. Of course, I’ve been charting temperature (it puts TTC right at the front of my mind every day!) and acupuncture (what’s not to like about needles in random bits of my body!). Maybe the way forward is to have a T-shirt made saying “Leave me alone, I’m drinking the bleeding pomegranate juice”.

I completely agree with you saying if someone said you could not have kids it would be a relief
I honestly feel like we are the same person!

PM me if you want to chat some more!

I am waiting on my answers for this months cycle
and want to have a glass of wine and a dominoes 🤣

Lulu89x · 27/05/2025 17:00

Sorry? Cut off for IVF is 38? That is outrageous! Sorry if I missed but has your husbands sperm been tested? Everything ok on this end?

I often see the biggest issue with TTC is the 'stress' people place on themselves.

38 is not OLD. With regular cycles, good bloods and positive ovulation is a very very good sign. If you haven't already, rule out any issues with hubby's sperm.

I know it is so difficult to not stress or worry about this but give yourself some grace. It just takes some people a little longer than others. For reference, my friend fell pregnant immediately after coming after the pill, had a MC at 8 weeks. Got pregnant again, ectopic. Got pregnant again, MC. Couldn't get pregnant again for a year, gave up and went down the IVF route. They fell pregnant naturally and found out the day before their first appointment.

Shadoworshade · 27/05/2025 15:48

That is so good to hear @GRCP . Funny you should mention hycosy - that is my next step after initial checks at the fertility clinic. It can seem to unlock something. Thanks so much for the support. 🙏

I sometimes wonder if (big if) it happens, whether I’ll be a different (clingy-er?) parent than I would otherwise have been. I would definitely do my best to put ttc struggles behind me, but on dark days I feel this ordeal has taken something from me I’ll never get back. Like light heartedness or spontaneity - lost in action sometime around the 12 month point.

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GRCP · 27/05/2025 14:56

I tried in my 30s for 18 months with nothing but stark white tests month after month. Tried everything - never missed a chance. Had a hycosy and then got pregnant straight after. Then again twice in 2 years. Keep going - I know how hard it is

Shadoworshade · 27/05/2025 14:42

Thanks so much for the replies Luckycatlady and MantaFish.

@Luckycatlady, it’s exactly that feeling of having ‘done everything right’ and hitting a brick wall. With most other things in life, there’s a broad effort/reward correlation – e.g. you work hard, you pass your exams; you take up exercise and have more energy etc. I know I sound very type A, but the lack of control is doing my head in.

That, and the uncertainty. Strange as it sounds, if someone told me now ‘you definitely won’t have kids, it’s not possible’, it would come as a weird relief. I would know and could start trying to get my head around it. Instead I’m just limping on, month to month, in a horrible limbo. High hopes at the start of every cycle (‘let’s go again, maybe this is our month’), the week or so of dtd (feeling good about taking action), the week after (hopeful, symptom spotting) then the slow downward descent to AF (not feeling any different, knowing in my bones that nothing has happened). I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

I completely agree with you @Luckycatlady about putting everything into being settled and trying to provide a stable environment for a baby. That’s exactly what we’ve been doing! It is a sort of comfort to know – same as you – that I wouldn’t have been able to give them that stable life in earlier years. Feels like I can now provide for them financially and emotionally – but have I left it too late physically? It is such a real visceral fear as you say. I keep telling myself that I can only do what I can do today, and then the day after – in other words, taking it one day at a time. If I fast forward too much, I start to spiral.

I know what you mean about ‘friends’ messaging. How on earth do they think these little nudges are going to land? That and office acquaintances – someone from another department asked me ‘so do you have kids’, me (struggling for a response) – no, not yet, hopefully at some point; she – what does that mean? I mumbled something about trying for a family and made an excuse to leave. Ugh.

MantaFish – I am sorry to hear what you have been through. That is so hard. The success stories seem everywhere: you want to believe them but they can also give false hope. And the endless annoying ‘tips’. Of course, I’ve been charting temperature (it puts TTC right at the front of my mind every day!) and acupuncture (what’s not to like about needles in random bits of my body!). Maybe the way forward is to have a T-shirt made saying “Leave me alone, I’m drinking the bleeding pomegranate juice”.

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MantaFish · 27/05/2025 13:10

I know all those feelings. I started trying at 39 and everyone told me that was fine and it would happen. Everyone seemed to have a cousin/aunt/friend who had their first at 39/40/45!!! and always within a few months of trying etc etc etc.
I started trying at 39. I did manage to get pregnant after exactly one year but had a MMC. Never managed to achieve another natural pregnancy unfortunately. Had three rib rounds of private IVF aged 40 to 41. One pregnancy that was another miscarriage.

I stopped telling people anything about it as the annoying comments wouldn’t stop. Just relax! My cousin had 4 kids after 40! Try acupuncture. Try stopping dairy. Are you having sex enough and at the right time? Try charting temperature. Stop charting temperature. Drink pomegranate juice.🙄

I just tell people I don’t want kids now.

Luckycatlady · 27/05/2025 11:47

I have also been in reciept of ‘friends’ messaging me saying ‘Hows the baby making coming along haha’

I find this very odd and insulting (admittedly I am sensitive about it)

Clearly its not coming on well if I have not had a baby or told you I am pregnant

Luckycatlady · 27/05/2025 11:45

You sound very like me
I ‘have done everything right’ and also been a higher rate tax payer
Now TTC - slim, non smoker, minimal ETOH - ‘calm’ (yoga teacher🤣) and eat an amazing diet.
I got married end of last year and put everything this year into being ‘settled’, making sure I have a stable
job, house sorted, finances sorted and TTC.

I also work in an area where I have to drive past young families.

I agree with your age 40 cut off BUT
my own husband was born from a ‘miracle conception’ after 14 years of TTC by his mother aged 41! My father was another ‘miracle conception’ with a mother at the age of 45.

I am about to turn 38 in June and I too wonder if I have left it too late? Its a real visceral fear. But also - if I had children younger there is no way I would have been able to give them the life I can provide for them now spirtually, emotionally and financially.

You sound very like me!

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