Still TTC, PPP and waiting to CCC - one down, and more than enough optimism to go around!

Ah yes, BJs are very good currency with reluctant men!

Box of read wine it is then! [My DH is a bit of a wino ]

oh and if all else fails then bribe him with treats...

Thanks girls - you've cheered me up

One of my points to DH was:

Me: When you're old, do you want grandchildren?

DH: Of course.

Me: Well.... where do think they come from? If you want to have children/grandchildren when you're older you have to put the hard work in now!

I know what you mean LL, I do get an awful lot of "Yeah whatever"s from him!

Oh yeah keep driving it Cosmo. I know if it was left to dh god knows when we would have had kids. He loves ds and has always wanted kids but I honestly don't think he would have minded if we had waited until we were 50!!!

you have to drive it cosmo it is the only way..

I think I am expecting too much, aren't I? They are men after all - bless their cotton socks!
So, with your permission I will continue to drive the ttc thing - if I left it to DH we would never get round to it!

The only thing that dp is openly passionate about is bloody arsenal....

But I know he was gutted when AF came last month and he has bought the tests this month and keeps asking when I am due on...

So I know that he is passionate about it but doesn't show it!

I dont think dh is as passionate as me about it, but he is really excited now. I suppose its harder for men as all they do is provide the sperm. We carry the baby for 9 months, go through birth, have morning sickness etc.

Thing is you could win the lottery at the weekend or like LL says you could be made redundant.

Ah that is nice Kayz. I think with me I just get uber-paranoid about pushing DH into something if he isn't ready. He says he wants kids but doesn't seem passionate about it or excited, whereas I am really passionate about the subject. Suppose the ideal situation would be if we both decided at the same moment in time that we wanted kids and were equally excited about it. Me - a perfectionist?...Never gonna happen is it?

GJ try this story on your dp. When my dp and I met we saved for years for a wedding but when it came to it we decided to use the money for a deposit on our own home.

We moved in and 2 months later he got made redundant, this was a large company and the market was swamped (as the company went into liquidation and there were 200 members of staff). DP found it hard to get another job straight away. He did eventually and we went on to have dd 24 months later.

He has been in his current job for 2 years and has just been made redundant again, two months after us ttc. What I am trying to say is that you never know what is around the corner and yes buba is expensive but you will manage and if the worst happens you will cope and money will be tight but it is so worth it.. What better reason is there to struggle?

My dh is quite laid back about having another baby. He just said and he said the same about ds "whenever I want to have a baby we can ttc" he does worry about money, where we are going to put another cot etc but is generally fine with it.

Hi all, interesting convos on here today! Had a chat last night with DH re. babies and how I can't stop thinking about the subject. Fact is, most men just don't get the broodiness thing. I know a couple of guys who have been the one driving the starting a family thing but on the whole I think it is the woman - surely that makes sense?... Anyway, good luck GJ and if he does want to wait a little longer, you'll have me for company

As for all those of you with actual menstrual cycles CD 58 and still no flipping AF.

moos did dh have to stay in a hotel in the end on Saturday?

Good luck Mr LL, and GJ I had a similar problem with DH before DD1 happened. I think in the end he was persuaded when I was curled up in a ball on the sofa sobbing my heart out wailing 'You don't want babies now and I don't think you ever will but IIIIIII doooooooooooooooooooooo!' Dramatic? Moi?

Before I came off the pill I had promised to do all the baby stuff myself and never ask him to do a nappy (I think he's done a total of 6), don't expect him to get all gooey etc. By the time we were TTC he was getting quite keen on the idea and once she was born he was besotted

It all takes so long that none of it comes as a big shock, like LL says, even once you start TTC you're still at least 9 months away from an actual baby!

Good Luck Mr Lumps

GJ - how honest??!! I mean, I would probably go for honesty mixed in with some ego-massage . Seriously, I know he has your list of concerns, but how about, before tomorrow, you put together a list of reasons why he is fab, why you love him and why he will be a great dad?

The last thing you want is the 'talking' to tuen into fighting, as few babies are successfully conceived this way...

Will do thanks Kay

Wish dp good luck for me LL.

dp has job interview tonight... So hopefully he will get it

I agree and its not like you will blink and have a baby... It will be 9 months at least..

It was under his lion walker thing.

I really hope that he comes round GJ, there is never a great time to have a baby. You don't have enough money or the house isn't big enough or the cat might get jealous(a reason my friend gave his dw)