CD1 ttc after loss carry on thread #3

Right ladies, after all this running and exercise malarkey helping a few of us get BFPs, I abandoned plans of choc cake on the sofa and did half an hour on the treadmill last night to get my step count up for the day 💪🏻 also started some of the main vitamins on that list

@Ladyinpink1 that's so good that the supplement is working! Yes please let me know which it is if you don't mind. Glad AF coming has brought some relief and resetting! I'm determined to make changes this cycle to be healthier

@HerbaceousPerennial it's bloody typical isn't it, women fixing everything - even on the most basic cellular level. With your friend - Is there a safe space you can let it out? Or get a bit of distance without affecting the friendship too much? I'm off socials since feb partly for that reason and that's been helpful. Also big fan of a nice car cry on the way home from baby-centric events

@CluelessInLondon lovely to hear things are going well, where has that time gone?!

@Ladyinpink1 he’s doing well thanks but a few complications so trying not to stress about when they’ll see him to assess next steps. If stress is good for conception then I’ll be well away 😂 I am up and down like a yo-yo at the moment, one minute I’m feeling very optimistic and the next in the depths of despair. Just trying to ride it out still. Spoke to the PCOS clinic and they’ve given me some advice, feels a bit scary because basically they’ve said they’ll look at it but it’ll be a long wait (of course), lots of tests they need first so I need to get in to see the GP. They did mention the miscarriage clinic but they won’t take me yet as I’ve only had two. Hope AF arrives promptly tomorrow - that’s a shame about the conception thread. How are you feeling about things today?

@CluelessInLondon that’s a lovely update! So glad things are going well, it gives me so much hope to read of folk who’ve struggled getting their babies in the end.

@13lucy it’s so hard to know the ‘best’ thing to do! I know everything says you can continue running once pregnant but miscarriage makes it so nerve wracking

@13lucy Very exciting - understandable that it's feeling surreal, especially when you were feeling worried about your cycles and what that might do to your chances. I think it takes a while for the reality of being pregnant to sink in anyway, and even more so after a loss when you have the extra anxiety to deal with and it's hard not to second-guess yourself. Do come over and join in on the grads thread when you feel ready. ❤

(TW: Pregnancy update) I'm doing well thanks, had my 20 week scan on Saturday so I am somehow halfway now! Have started to feel a few movements too - surprised I haven't felt more as baby was bouncing around all over the place at my scan. 😂Felt pretty anxious in the long gap between the 12 and 20 week scans as it's long time to be in your own head worrying about what might have gone wrong, but am feeling more reassured now to have seen that everything is as it should be right now.

Thanks all, still very surreal.

@Ladyinpink1 it was a longer cycle (ovulation day 24) so no idea if that's got anything to do with it. Nothing felt any different this cycle.

@samilicious 14 DPO today and the only thing has been my temperature staying high and sore boobs (although I get that leading up to my period anyway). I had long cycled but short/light periods. I'm still feeling nervous as I know my lining was quite thin when I was scanned last month.

@CluelessInLondon must be 4 weeks as I ovulated two weeks ago today. I hope you're doing ok?

@HerbaceousPerennial I do wonder if running helped! I've stopped it for now though as I'm terrified of doing anything 'wrong'!

@13lucy that’s great news, congratulations! Think it’s a long journey to believing it’s actually happening so not surprised you’re feeling a bit strange. I put it down to the running 😊

@Ladyinpink1 thank you, that means a lot. I’m trying to cut myself a bit of slack but it’s not always easy. Hope you are having an easier day today - have you found any hot tips on how to conceive faster on the other group?

@samilicious your poor MIL. 54 is young. Glad she was treated quickly, gives her the best chance of a good recovery - fingers crossed. Hope everyone is doing a bit better today. Yeah it’s exquisitely painful with my friend, I feel like I’m behaving like a crazy person and probably a bit over the top, trying too hard to be ok about it all. I really, really want to be ok about it. I think it’s just a case of pushing through and I know she’ll forgive me for being a bit bonkers at points thank goodness. On the egg quality front - I read some interesting papers about the egg ‘repairing’ DNA damage which has come from the sperm too, so Operation Gamete Optimisation has begun in our house 😂

I looked into acupuncture for both fertility and miscarriage, got into the scientific papers again and from what I can gather, it seems to be quite helpful if you’re having IVF, but jury’s out for recurrent miscarriage and for PCOS as it seems to improve cycles and pregnancy rates, but not live birth rates. However data is mixed. What’s clear is it doesn’t do any harm at least, and it may help, depending on the research you read and exact circumstances. So I think I might try it.

@samilicious That’s a good idea, thank you. I’ll try and see if anyone is going through the same.

@13lucy This is amazing news! How far along do you think you are?

@samilicious How is your MIL doing now?

@HerbaceousPerennial that really sucks about your friend's baby, and not the best timing either with everything else going on. Big hugs

@13lucy that's amazing about your BFP! Totally get wanting to distance. How many DPO are you? Were there any signs? They were right about shorter cycles not affecting things then!

@emmatcc1 could you see a fertility specialist to ask them or even post a new MN thread to see what others ttc with liver calcification say?

@HerbaceousPerennial thank you - she got treated quickly thankfully and was touch and go in the hospital for 24hr as it happened another two times. Such a shock after being together on holiday all week - she's only 54. Hope your little boy is doing ok and the surgery was successful

@CluelessInLondon thank you 💕
@SnookyPook yeah we landed 22:30 she had it 3:30 at home in bed :(

@emmatcc1 ugh so horrible to get unexpected ultrasounds. My stomach churned when I read that. Hopefully the test and results give you some answers to make up for it

@purplecolouroffunk hope your tww doesn't drag too much

@Ladyinpink1 meant to reply to your fish comments before - you're going to have the fanciest eggs ever 🧐 👑 🥰 need a very posh regal name if that does the trick. Or a fishy one !
It says that most pregnancies fail because of egg quality and egg quality can cake up for sperm quality when they come together if it's strong enough. It was the quantities for me and spreading through the day - was taking 100mg coq10 now taking 600 and same with folate. Also going to up vitamin d - only ever conceived after a few months of sun so must have something to do with it!

Morning all - sorry for the radio silence again. It was all getting a bit much with so many people around me being pregnant so tried to put it all out of my mind.

Feels crazy to say this but had a BFP this morning. I don't even know how I feel right now and part of me doesn't believe it!

@samilicious sorry to hear about your MIL, what a shock! I hope she's doing ok.

@Ladyinpink1 sorry about the BFN. You are such a strong and lovely lady and I really hope it happens for you soon.

Thanks @Ladyinpink1. He’s recovering well although it’s stressful worrying about whether the surgery has been successful and whether he’ll need more. It’s just a lot to have on at the same time! Add in the guilt because I’m short tempered and tired and some days I just wish I could hit pause on life to be honest, just get a bit of a break from everything. I’m not sure at all about acupuncture to be honest, a friend of mine tried it and it didn’t help her get pregnant but it did regulate her cycles. She was told to try it by her fertility clinic. I’m going to look into it further, I’ll let you know what I find out but if anyone else has any experience please chime in! I’m sorry you had a crap day, BFN is the worst for ruining stuff. Glad yesterday was a bit better at least, cheers to you and hope you enjoyed the bubbles. Serious bbq envy here!

@purplecolouroffunk DH is looking very appealing at the moment so wondering if my hormones are coming in to play! It might be wanting the emotional connection I think too. Might give it until tomorrow then it’s near enough 2 weeks. Good luck, I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Very close friend had her baby yesterday. We were excitedly planning shared mat leaves with my first loss so it hit me pretty hard. I was in bits and really felt like I wasn’t going to be able to cope. But I’m feeling more ok about it now, being able to just drop in to the group chat about it when I was ready and with no pressure because everyone understands helped a lot. It’s a bit of a weight off my mind to be honest. Next challenge will be meeting the baby!

@Ladyinpink1 It’s just a tiny calcification in my liver, probably gonna just keep monitoring once a year as it does not cause me issues. The only thing I’m concerned is if it’s fine for my liver enzymes now to be constantly elevated, apparently it plays a role in fertility.

I’m so sorry to hear about your losses 💜

The doctor who did my D&C advised a 2 week wait for us just to avoid any infection. She also said not to Google anything cause it’s all absolute rubbish and conflicting 😂 So hard not to though!!

She said there’s no medical reason you can’t try again before your next period but she’d recommend waiting just from a dating POV. Because after an MC I’m guessing if you go to a scan and are dated not where you thought you were, that it’s going to be distressing.

I’m totally with you though, it feels weird the possibility of being pregnant again this early. I’d say go for it if you feel comfortable mentally and physically! I keep seeing things about your ‘lining not being ready’ etc. but apparently it’s all rubbish. I feel like if your lining isn’t ready then you just won’t catch!

We sort of DTD not realising I was fertile so just have to deal with that reality now 😂 It’ll be a long TWW!

@samilicious so sorry to hear about your MiL - what a shock for you all. Had she just flown then? Hope she makes a great recovery. 💗

I got my abdominal ultrasound report in the mail today and they also added in the actual ultrasound pictures. Definitely a trigger I wouldn’t expect.

@samilicious I'm sorry to hear about your MIL, I hope she's been able to get quick treatment and that she can make a full recovery. ❤

@samilicious sending good vibes to your lovely MIL. What a horrible thing to happen, I’m keeping everything crossed. Did she get treated quickly? Hope you managed to get some sleep.

Thanks also for typing out the recommendations. Lots of food for thought there. And a long shopping list!

It starts with the egg supplement plan by type

I can't sleep with today's goings on on my mind so writing these out for you guys instead. Apologies in advice for spelling and caps inconsistencies

ALL PLANS: Avoid BPA and phthalates in beauty and cleaning products, as well as food and food containers, as much as possible. Eat a low carbohydrate Mediterranean diet and fish 2 times per week (mackerel, salmon two of the best)

Struggling to conceive - intermediate level plan

Prenatal multi vitamin, plus:
Folate x 800mg
Coq10 x 200 over meals (400-600 total)
Vitamin c 500mg
Vitamin e 200 international units
NAC 600mg
Vitamin d 5000 international units
Vitamin b12 2000 micrograms
Omega 3 500mg
Melatonin 0.3mg before bed

Recurrent miscarriage - advanced level plan

Prenatal multi vitamin, plus:
Folate x 800mg
Coq10 as ubiquinol or bioquinone x 200 over meals (400-600 total)
R-Alphalipoic acid (200-300mg, preferably at least 30min before a meal)
Vitamin c 500mg
Vitamin e 200 international units any time
NAC 600mg
If insulin resistance, Myoinositol - 4g - half morning, half night
Vitamin d 5000 international units
Vitamin b12 2000 micrograms if deficient
Omega 3 500mg
Melatonin 0.3mg-0.5 before bed
(If trying to conceive naturally, up to 3 if IVF)

Consider having testosterone levels and DHEA levels tested and supplement with DHEA and regularly monitor levels of DHEA to keep them optimum

PCOS and irregular ovulation

Struggling to conceive - intermediate level plan

Prenatal multi vitamin, plus:
Folate x 800mg
Myo-inositol 4g per day (split in two em doses, morning and night)
Coq10 as ubiquinol x 200mg over meals (400 total)
R-Alphalipoic acid - 200mg (preferably at least 30 min before eating)
Vitamin c 500mg
Vitamin e 200
NAC 600mg any time
L-Carnitine 3mg per day
Vitamin d 5000 international units
Vitamin b12 2000 micrograms
Omega 3 500mg
Melatonin 1-3mg before bed

FOR ALL
Once pregnant, stop all vitamin apart from multivitamin and potentially Coq10 and omega 3.
If PCOS potentially continue low dose of myo-inositol

@Ladyinpink1 so sorry you got a bfn and it's hit you so hard this morning :( having symptoms is the worst for getting hopes up. Deffo share any tips ♥️ from this book, the quantities of the basics in multivitamins are way too low. I'll post the recommendations now. I've never tried reflexology but I'm trying reiki soon

Worst nightmare happened today. My MIL who is like my best friend and DD's third parent has a stroke early hours of the morning, few hours after we got back from hols all together. Been touch and go for most of the day, only seen DH cry twice in 10+ years and he cried on the phone today from the hospital. Any good vibes not going to ttc please send them her way ♥️♥️♥️ 🙏🏻

@Ladyinpink1 ah I’m so sorry to hear that. The more I read about miscarriage, conception and pregnancy, the more mysterious and random it seems, it’s so frustrating. I’ve not tried reflexology but I feel like it can’t do any harm, worst case scenario it’s just a very expensive but pleasant foot massage is my view! And it may help. I am going look into acupuncture though, I’ve made a coping plan after this latest miscarriage and having tasks like that help to keep me sane and help me feel like I’m doing something. Yeah I physically miscarried whilst DH was in hospital overnight with our son after his operation, I would not recommend it. It’s been a shit couple of weeks! I was lucky to have a friend with me though, she is a truly fabulous human being.

@purplecolouroffunk I am a bit weirded out by starting to try again so soon too, my last miscarriage took 2.5 months. I got my negative test today and I’m not bleeding any more so I think I can start trying now which feels so soon, I only miscarried 9/10 days ago. I think maybe I need to wait until it’s been 2 weeks? I’m not quite sure what the right thing to do is!