Trying for second baby long time, anyone else in the same boat?

Iwbp-hugs to you. My pms has been like this for the last 3 months and each time i hold onto a little hope that maybe it will be positive, and each time have been disappointed. It is so hard when all around seem to be pg too. Thinking of you.

So sorry about the bfn Iwbp

Hello all - had totally convinced myself this month (proper nausea, things smelling funny, breasts absurdly tender and veiny) but yet again...BFN this morning. Can this really be PMT or is it a pregnancy fizzling out? Anyway, I really can't face taking DD to gym class this morning - it is packed with super fertile females on their 3rd and 4th child and I know one woman is about to announce she is pg again. In serious danger of sobbing if she mentions it.

Sorry about me post - just feeling a bit sorry for myself (had stupidly even begun to imagine my Christmas baby...when will I ever learn? )

lilamummy yu are so right about the remembering you have 1 child and i try to focus on this on my bad days. You sound a little like me in having phantom pregnancy symptoms before Af. I have them at the moment and have to keep reminding myself that's what it is just pms. Instead of trying to find something different from last time to convinvce myself that it's pg symptoms.

Hugs to all and i wish i had something witty to say to amuse you but can't think of anything at mo.

Take care

Morning all, I've one good thing to report! Have had next to no PMT this month (normally I am just evil and miserable for a good week) and I'm wondering whether that's down to the acupuncuncture? Anyway, I've got another session booked for Weds so that's something to look forward to.

Had my ttcing blood test results back this morning. All seems fine which is great, apart from TSH levels are a bit high which can mean underactive thyroid and can affect fertility as hormones messed up. Great, another thing to spend hours googling!

AF due tomorrow and showing every sign of coming as normal..

Hugs to you all

Hi,
All those who work and have bad days - we SAHMs have them too! Found myself crying in front of DS the other day (just got AF) when he was in the bath and he sat there saying Mummy no cry Mummy no cry which just made me cry more.
15th month of TTC now, am sometimes calm and happy and then it just hits me.
I get phantom pregnancy symptoms in the last bit of my cycle, feel sick etc. Then AF arrives. I'm just imagining everything... anyone else do that?
Anyway we have decided to go ahead with IVF, and that is something positive to do. I am just hoping that we get pregnant before we have to get started.
Sorry everyone feeling down, big hugs from me too. We all have one thing in common to be happy about - we all already have one lovely child. Somewhere on MN is a chat room with women who can't conceive at all.
xxx

Hi
Well I have been ttc for 8 months and I realise thats nothing compared to some of you.
All the same I do feel desperate and am starting to get totally fed up.

Also suffering from irregular cycles so don,t know where I am.
I am also at threat of an early menopause as its in the family.
I have a doctors appointment on friday so I will be asking for a referral.

Hello all,
FF and Anies - sorry you are despairing .I feel the same and have been wondering whether hideous pmt which starts immediately after ovulation is partly due to the stress of not conceiving or whether it means some hormonal/nutritional imbalance that is preventing conception (IYSWIM!).

Either way, I am totally sick of the whole thing!

We had our initial IVF meeting last week and it has really brought home how serious the problem is. Somehow I can mostly convince myself that we missed that month by not optimising the bding, that month because of whatever etc etc, but someone else thinking you are a candidate for IVF....Anyway, I am not at all convinced I want it but then again I may well feel in 3 years time when it is too late that I should have done everything.

At the moment am hanging my hopes on some spring sunshine helping. Both dd and mc were conceived in the spring so who knows?! Having said that, the weather is decidedly bleak so it may as well be december...

Have i killed this thread off now?

Have had a really rubbish day as, car has broken down and mechanic doesn't know whether he can fix it. ANd now I can feel PMS starting 2 weeks before, how long do you have to take this evening primrose oil before it works? Can feel myself becoming irrational & intolerant, so fed up.
Anyone around for a chat?
Otherwise i have to go and do some chores!

No, have no job from July, and am half-hearted in my job search. Have been working some extra hours and putting some money away in case of no job found. Though I know dh is going to start saying must find a job,etc very soon. Especially as ds starts school in sept and would love to be able to take & pick him up, at least while he is settling in.

Anies enjoy your parties.

cedar12 thankyou for the kind offer of the book, are you sure you have finished with it?
Hope you are all going to enjoy your school holidays, think of me as i have to return to work on Monday. I know how muchcalmer i am when i'm not working and going through thetreadmill of day to day routine.

Everyone is so kind on this thread and i feel like i'm able to say alot of things i can't say to dh, because i know they don't help with the pressure he feels i'm putting on him. He did say are we trying this month and i was able to say lets just say let's jus tsee what happens and try and be calm, positive and relaxed about the whole thing.

Am doing some decorating this weekend and keep busy because life still goes on.

Hi all, Hope everyones sleeping better. I had an awful night last night I think my hayfever has started already so sneezing and snuffling all night.
FF I have got a book all about vits etc safe to take and all sorts of things about tcc. I have finished reading it if you want to borrow it I can pop it in the post if you like. Email your address if would like me to pop it in post [email protected]. I found it really helpful.
Thanks for the info Juliet will have a look at forsight on the web.
Have a good weekend all and good luck for the school holidays has anyone else got kids at school yet?

Hello Anies
Yes - Zita West's clinic would certainly be one - but pretty expensive ! And also whilst I think they would say they are holistic I think they tend to use the complementary therapies they offer and would not recommend anything else whereas a fertility awareness practitioner should be completely impartial, take the holistic approach and advise appropriately to what the consultation with the couple or individual discovers. If you are London based then I guess Zita West or possibly Foresight might be the best option. You could try typing in fertility awareness practitioner on Google and see what you can find.

Hope this helps - good luck

Hello Anies and all who are in the same boat.

There can be lots of reasons why people have difficulty conceiving again (or even first time) - one thing I can really recommend is seeing a fertility awareness practitioner (FAP). Unfortunately there are very few around. We have two in Edinburgh but in England the only organisation that helps along similar lines is called Foresight.

Aucpuncture and chinese herbs can defnitely benefit but you need to see a qualified FAP who would then be able to advise what would or would not help in your particular circumstances. And if you are going through IVF then they are just as important as they will be able to work out what is needed to make the most of the IVF or other assisted conception treatment.

Hope this helps.

is vit B6 safe to take when ttc? Have only just started to take evening primrose oil and sure i have read somewhere recently to try one thing at a time to see which makes the most difference.

Hatty when I had accupunture they called me stagnent to bloody cheek!
FF I have found vit b6 50mg really helpful in settling down hormones and mood swings etc I use to get really bad pain around ov this is also a lot better. I couldnt believe how much it has helped.

Apparently it's all to do with energy chi and having lots of stale energy in your uterus which stops blood flow being effective and it being a healthy and welcoming environment for conception to take place. Or something!

HY what on earth does stagnant mean. I can think of worse to be called, but i don't think that would be on my list of things to be called!

Feeling better today as had some practice last night and dh seemed to enjoy it too.

Flowerfairy, Anies, Mistlethrush - I'm so sorry you're feeling so rotten, sending you all big hugs.

Had my acupuncture yesterday and really enjoyed it! (wierdo emoticon!). Didn't look at the needles, just stared hard at the ceiling but definitely felt more relaxed afterwards. Not convinced it will help but it's nice to do something for me. Apparently I am "stagnant" - nice!

oh, big hugs to all. HAve had a bit of a day with mum saying to various people that she is going to ahve a new grandchild (or trying to get niece to say it) while i'm stood there. Then having to explain it's nit me but sister, With beaming smile to hide the pain. How true mary alice's words were at the end of desperate housewives about us using smiles to cover many other feelings.

Good night to all and hope for a more positive day tomorrow.

Same here Anies, although in first part of cycle, so not even got that excuse...

Have just found out that another person in antenatal group is pregnant. Other one had daughter in October - didn't even get an email to say that it had happened, but there we go.

Feeling fed up.