WHAT DO WE WANT??...BFPs WHEN DO WE WANT THEM??...NOW!!!! symptom spotters and 2wwaiters brand spanking new thread [grin]

Thanks mibbes, I've ordered the Zita West one with the couple on the front so I'll see how I get on with that.

Glad the spotting has ceased! I find it depends on the postion I don't bleed but as you say, do sometimes feel a thud! Men think it is a reflection on their generous manhood!

I asked the Dr about my cervix once and he had a look and said it was maybe a bit low and thought it might be due to having had such invasive abdominal surgery, and things might have slipped . I'm not sure that is even possible though! I never thought to ask if it could affect ttc .

Oh and JB I think you may be right about DP hitting something as no more blood. This happened earlier this cycle too when cervix would've been low. I didn't feel the 'hit' this time though. Yet again DP was delighted with himself when I told him he'd made me bleed Men are so strange !

JoolyBear first of all {{{{big hugs}}}} poor you feeling so down . However, taking positive action like buying helpful books is an excellent idea. Each time I get AF (once I've stopped feeling low) I try to do something positive to make me feel like I am getting closer to the end result. I have both TCOYF and Zita West's book - both are very good. TCOYF is just about Fertility Awareness method which is purely based on CM, temps and cervix position. It is a mighty book and very detailed (not all of it relevant) but way useful in understanding types of CM and temp patterns. Zita West is more of an all-round guide. I found it helpful to determine which vits to take and what foods to eat when (although am crap at diets of any type so just stick to overall healthy food as far as I can). It also has loads of info about fertility problems and their symtpoms (which is probably why I have self-diagnosed a few times !!) and what can be done about them - really useful. If I were you I'd get both . I've never heard of the 3rd one you mention. My Zita West has a pic of a couple holding hands on the front (very misleading, I tried that for years and never got PG !!)
Hope that helps hun xx

There are lots of fertility books to choose from . Anyone own one and can recommend which one I should get? Taking charge of your fertility by Toni Weschler? Zita West's Guide to getting pregnant? The baby on the front of the latter puts me off a bit mind .

tegan That is great news, congrats. You don't need to worry about the test results now! I'm really pleased for you.

mibbes I hope that spotting isn't starting early . It might just be your cervix being a bit low after ov and being prodded (I can't think of a better word, I was going to say banged ) during bd'ing.

hatty Nice to see you back. Did you have a nice birthday? Are you off to the Drs next week?

GG There you are! I missed you. You never know, it could be your month, there were some lovely stories on your thread. Are DHs results back yet? How is he feeling now?

MOET You are still in with a chance this month then! That's good news and you have a long weekend to get some bd'ing in.

Thanks for all your kind thoughts ladies. I know it hasn't been that long - 4 cycles over nearly 6 months but I just feel really disappointed and upset today. I know some of you have been trying for ages and I hope I don't sound insensitive. My cycles have been crap and then my scan result was fine, I'd finally ov. bd'ed lots and it just hasn't happened - how come it is so easy for some people?! I've started spotting now too, just to confirm it! I'm going to try and pull myself together and think positive. I'll start by ordering a copy of taking charge of your fertility .

Yeah tegan after 18 months I think you deserve it
I have absolutely no symptoms today either. How many weeks pregnant does that make you?

Oh so sorry scary and jollybear I was coming in here to hear your good news.

jb - sorry 4 bfn here are some smile to brighten your day
moet - glad that you found ewcm
beanie sorry about tummy
here are some smiles to cheer u up
tegan congratulations that is great news

i have been bettewareing in the sun
starting to feel moody again,tearful and tired. have lots of clear cm.
cd53 no af

by the way no sickness yet and fell pretty normal

well we have been ttc for 18 months and having regular ovulation tests at the gp.

Dh had a fertility test 2 weeks ago and we haven't had the results yet but af was due yesterday so thought i would test and bfp wayhey

hello to MOET - love the new name (like the champagne ). You have made me laugh today!!

Congratulations to tegan - that is brilliant news It was about time for a BFP!!!

jolly - you hang in there girl. It is not over yet. I am so sorry about the BFN . Your BFP day will come soon m'dear and we'll all be here celebrating with you

mibbes - don't give up hope yet, although I know what you mean about pink swimmers a day or too before AF. I get that too sometimes. Fingers crossed for you.

I am CD20 today. WE BD-ed at the right time and I had loads of EWCM, but with DH's poor sperm test results, I can't keep symptom spotting and deluding myself each month that it is going to be a BFP. I can hope but feel a bi silly and symptom spotting for a very unlikely BFP, but I'll hang around here and join in the chats if you ladies will have me?

Tegan congrats!

JB so sorry about the BFN..sounds like you know your stuff this month with the temping etc but fingers crossed you've made a fundamental error somewhere?

Fingers crossed for everyone else on hold hoping for BFP's!

madold lol at the swimmers analogy!

Congratualtions Tegan Wooo hoooo

How long were you trying for?

I feel really sick. I never get sick with my period yet it's due tomorrow and so I can only assume it's that. I ate a few dried Apricots last night but surely that shouldn't give me the runs!

MOET I am sititng at my desk p!ssing myself laughing - that is soo funny ! Thanks for that. yes obviously I could try to convince myself blood is imp bleed but have to be realistic too ! tee heee still laughing !
tegan hurray we needed some good news on here today Right then spill the beans - all details of what you did differently this month and every twinge please !!
beanie am so glad you are still AF-free.... getting exciting now !

GOOD NEWS ALERT

I have a bfp this morning.

Think i must be due 21 nov.

Blimey - I am having massive pains in my stomach Reall quite bad.

Morning Mibbes could it possibly be implantation? Not wanting to get your hopes up and all that, and i understand your concern, but you never know? (And no symptoms is good..) However, it's a good thing you are now having investigations, as if there is a problem with your LP, then i'm sure there is lots to be done to sort it. And believe me, i'm not making light of what i know is a worrying problem for you, but when you said the swimmers came out all pink, i did have a mental vision of all these men is speedos running out of the sea in their swimming hats & goggles, covered in pink goo. (Sorry, i'm just warped)

Morning MOET good news about finding the pesky EWCM - grab DH and get busy my lady ! Good news too that body is resetting itself - you'll be good as new in no time - with a teeny weeny MOET-bean

oh no JB how is that possible, your chart is amazing... If you do have the longest LP in the whole world then maybe hormones won't be detected until you are late, which you aren't yet. You know the drill, it is not over until the red lady sings ....

and that goes for you too Scary

Well on 8dpo and was planning to start madly symptom spotting before pre-AF spotting arrives (due at the weekend) but had a 'just for fun' BD this morning and (TMI alert !!) when the swimmers came out they were all pink so looks like there is some pre-AF blood already . This just gets worse, previously pre-AF spotting has started at 10/11 dpo so whatever the problem is would appear to getting worse . I didn't even have a chance to make up mad symptoms grrrr..

JB i am so so sorry to hear that - i think we all had our hopes up for you. You must be gutted. Do look after yourself today - thinking of you. X

Scaryhairy likewise for you - so sorry that your temp has dropped and you feel AF is on her way. Thinking of you too. X

Anyone got any good news out there to cheer us all up? On a positive note, i have found my EWCM! (No, it wasn't behind the sofa cushions) I did what it suggests in TCOYF and did a 2 finger "scissor like" manoever upwards, and got hold of some! So it appears that the OPK is right and i haven't ov'ed yet. At reflexology i explained everything to her - really delayed cycle (for me) and feeling generally like a hormonal, angry, wreck, and she said that my body is probably "re-setting" itself, and that it is a good thing, and everything should sort itself out. Still feel like i could kill, though

Day 24 of a 24 day cycle which is usually bang on so I look forward to my period tommorrow!

BFN for me .

I can't see a test being wrong on 15DPO so I expect AF will arrive in a few days. Looks like I might have an 18 day LP after all.

Sorry you are having such a disappointing day too SH. We both had such good charts .

Sorry for the miserable post everyone.

morning ladies
soory sh

aaahh Scary am so sorry missus {{{big hugs}}}} xx

Hello

Quick pre-work post: temp has dropped quite far so I am out of the running and I expect AF to come today. Oh well, there's always next cycle, providing that these veiny boobs go away so that DH doesn't go totally off me!!!

Thanks for all your understanding last night wih my self-indulgent posting. I don't know why I get my hopes up so much, I really try not to but I guess it is not helped by Clearblue.

Wow jollybear how on earth are you managing to resist testing? I would have done about 30- by now!!