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Entries wanted: Most idiotic advice from well meaning family/friends to ttc mumsnetters.

34 replies

SweetFudge · 02/12/2004 19:26

I got one from my cousin just half an hour ago when we were speaking on the phone.

She said "Can I be frank with you? Why don't you just concentrate on getting on with your life and get a pet?"

This from a woman who spent years ohhing and ahhing over baby clothes in shops and telling us what she'd dress her babies in before she had her two kids recently.

I love her to bits but if someone had given me a stupid stick at that moment, I'd have crawled into the phone and smacked her with it.

Best entry gets a brand new electric cattle prod to poke at any future stupid "advice".

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StNickschik · 06/12/2004 09:30

I've just had to change my diet to wheat and dairy free and suffer from IBS. Just spent the w/e with my Mum who keeps telling met that she thinks my body is 'just sorting itself out' (whatever that means) and when it has I will get pregnant again!!!!!!!! Oh, and not to get depressed about it and how much they love the gd I have already given them!!! I do wonder about her sometimes? I am at a loss as to what to say to her really!!!

hester · 06/12/2004 09:19

MancMum, you said it perfectly. The only context I don't mind being told that it was probably a defective embryo is if people think I might be blaming myself/thinking I could have done something that would have led to a different outcome.

But nine times out of ten, when people say 'It was all for the best because there would have been something wrong with it' what they mean is, 'You should be pleased! Just think, if you hadn't had this mc you would have had a defective baby!' And I want to scream back at them, 'I'm not saying I wanted to carry on being pregnant with a foetus that wasn't viable! I wanted to have a baby! And I'm not just mourning the miscarriage, I'm mourning that I didn't produce a viable embryo! Is that so hard to understand?'

Apparently, it is Angry

happymerryberries · 05/12/2004 20:38

I had 'well it is very common' after my mc. Yes, so, death is universal ffs! I also had better then than later. Er sorry, don't see that much advantage tbh.

SweetFudge · 05/12/2004 20:29

Hi everyone- Thanks, Hester! I think you've got it right in describing how these throwaway comments are indicative of a misguided (and frankly unintelligent) view that those of us who have to do more than throw a coy look at our dhs/dps in order to conceive are desperate oddities who have lost focus on all other meaningful aspects of life.

The utter crassness of the comments ttc MNs have received is infuriating Angry - "All for the best" after a m/c? Mancmum, I'm sorry you had to hear that from some unthinking individual. Similar to the gem I got after m/c.

Thank God for MN.

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MancMum · 05/12/2004 18:10

not sure if this has been mentioned...but "it was for the best" when I lost DD twin at 12 weeks really still kills - how exactly is losing what had been seen over 7 scans to be a healthy and wanted baby after 3 years TTC and loads of tx be FOR THE BEST ffs?

fisilhohoho · 05/12/2004 17:30

Surely everyone has been told about the couple they heard of that tried for years and years and then gave up trying and conceived immediately. That goes with the whole "just relax" and "stop worrying about it" lines.

Several people told us we were lucky that our mc came between our children rather than before our first (not ttc, I know, but just as annoying). Strange, cos lucky was never a word I attached to having my baby die!

jingleballs · 05/12/2004 17:21

initially we only told DH's family (mine's so big one whisper and the whole lot of them know) but in the end I rang my mum up so depressed about it, and DH didn't know how to calm me down - ( I told him nothing beats a hug from ur mum so he stuck a pillow up his jumper and said, right will this do?) any ways in the end he said, 'oh ring ur mum and tell her everything, maybe she'll have better ,luck with you, low and behold she did, and about 2 hrs after I rnag her, the whole family were on the phone giving me their advice..... note to self for future, don't tell anyone!

greenbug · 05/12/2004 16:17

Heheehehee.... this is why this place is the best, because you are surrounded by people who can share your thoughts and concerns.
now when people ask me what about babies i tend to say may be will start thinking about it next year. It's none of their business, because unless you find sommeone else who have struggled through ttc, people don't really undertand the turmoil we go through.

hester · 05/12/2004 09:42

Great post, SweetFudge! Insemination does have a knack of bringing out the complete idiot in people. The follow-up to the charming, 'Why don't you just pick up a stranger in a pub' suggestion was me explaining that that was unlikely to work because it would be a one-off (alternative replies: 'Because I don't want to get raped/bashed/herpes', 'Because I happen to be in a monogamous relationship', 'Would you??'). Follow-up suggestion: 'Well, why not find a man at work and start a secret affair with him and keep going till you're pregnant'. My response: 'How would that be fair to me, my dp and the hypothetical man?'. Their response: 'Well, if you REALLY want a baby...'

What hurts is the sense that because I can't make a baby in the normal way, I've somehow become bizarre and unnatural and immune from normal feelings and sensitivities. Don't people realise that I would do anything in the world to be able to make a baby in the normal way with the person I love? No, presumably not.

I so agree with people on this thread who have kept it quiet from the start. I told too many people and have had to try to reel it in. I'm much more protective now of my privacy, since there's relatively few people who can be trusted to say the right things. Thank god for MN!

Tania2 · 03/12/2004 20:25

Had to tell MIL we were ttc cause i needed her to babysit ds while i was seeing the gyno and natrapath.

SweetFudge · 03/12/2004 14:25

LOL, greenbug Bet that got your DH to clam up straight away!

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greenbug · 03/12/2004 14:10

Isn't it amazing how heartful people/relatives can be even when they mean well.

I must admit I followed MeerkatsUnite path and have not told relatives about our issues. They would not understand, you are so right, Meerkats. Although my dh from time to time gets on my nerves with his coments "I am always ready, you just have to produce an egg".... as if i am just sitting on top of them not letting them go....

SweetFudge · 03/12/2004 13:46

Good one Tania2 - I'm going to try your response next time someone tries to be "Frank" in "my interests." Has your DH recovered from his near miss re. getting acquainted with the wall?!

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Tania2 · 03/12/2004 12:32

You know i have learnt in this ttc journey to say "No not really cause i have heard it all!!!!"
DH nearly had his head through the wall the other night when he told me that we need to relax about it and it WILL JUST HAPPEN!!!!!!! Grrr feeling all angry just typing it!

SweetFudge · 03/12/2004 12:29

Quite a demanding woman, isn't she Tania2?

Don't you feel your smile start to tighten when someone starts saying "Can I be frank?" You know nothing good or useful is going to be coming out of that particular cakehole anytime soon.

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Tania2 · 03/12/2004 12:19

She said it on the phone and she did start of with the good old saying "can i be frank" and "please dont take this to offence" Grrrr but i managed to keep my cool (mainly cause she is my only babysitter!!) and said that "we knew it would take us a while so why wait!!!! and... our children will be rich with love!!!"
She soon shut her gob and said fair enough now we are getting presure to produce a girl cause she only has Grandsons. typical!!!

SweetFudge · 03/12/2004 12:11

No,No,No, Tania2. Am amazed that you kept your cool in face of superior sounding judgemental MIL. What did you say in return?

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Tania2 · 03/12/2004 12:09

OMG have i killed this thread??????

Tania2 · 03/12/2004 10:51

Hi girls i just had one from my MIL the other day. "why are you ttc another baby when dh is starting another buisness you wont be able to afford another baby" Yeah that eat you out of house and home its not like i am giving up work or anything gave that up when pg with ds. GRRRRRRRR she can talk pg at 17 living at home with her mother and 6 siblings.

MeerkatsUnite · 03/12/2004 09:43

And I'd thought I'd heard most of the rubbish spouted by now from family members and friends commenting on how best to ttc!. Seemingly not. Am very sorry to read you have all been on the receiving end of such nonsensical "advice" (I use that term advisedly).

I never got any such "meaningful" or "helpful" NOT advice only and primarily because we as a couple made a conscious decision not to tell any family (especially mis parentes) about my fertility problems. They just would not get it.

I always knew it was going to be difficult for me in particular when it came to ttc anyway because of my irregular and excruitiatingly painful periods. I didn't need "well meaning" family members or friends to make me feel any worse than I already felt.

My best wishes to you all

SweetFudge · 03/12/2004 00:11

OMG, bloody hell. What is it with couples who already have kids? Does it make the rest of us ttc a sub species open to potshots like those?

Twiga- I've had a similar m/c comment which nearly made me hurl the muffin I was eating at my friend (or to be honest, fiend?) in Starbucks.

Hester- ditto the casual sex one. Real comedians right? and the adoption one. Oh, right? So, adoption IS an option? How STUPID of me not to know!

Marinda-Yep. Got that one too. BD all the time. Ovulation timing? No, that's just for hippies/anal retentives/uptight yuppies who just don't GET that BD is about FUN and SPONTANEITY. GRRRRRR. I'll give you spontaneous..........

Happymerryberries-I'm sorry too. My mum was as well meaning and as unintentionally hurtful.

Jeddah - Made me laugh with what you said about the mysteries of IVF and your MIL.

Slink-LOL. Please let us know if you do have a go at the inlaws one day.

Morningpaper- Yeah, what is with that "Forget about it and it will work." What? The sperm are waiting for that moment when you're off guard and they'll sneak into your uterus and shout surprise before ravishing our unsuspecting eggs?

Jingleballs and vict17- haven't got those gems thrown my way yet, but I'm optimistic. It can happen yet.

I'm pretending that we're all sitting together and drinking crates of wine and laughing 'cos it is better than getting infuriated.

Any more gems?!!!!!! We need to laugh.

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Twiga · 02/12/2004 22:54

From well meaning friends after mc - "Look at the positives, at least you know you can concieve" - yeah like that makes up for it how exactly?

jeddah · 02/12/2004 22:51

your mother-in-law saying.........
'I think you should go for IVF.....I am not sure what that exactly is ...but I think you should go for it!'

or.........
her saying.......'oh it must be so hard for you...I caught on in a month with your dh!'

jingleballs · 02/12/2004 22:13

it will happen when u least expect it....

ur dad saying to u, well you were bloody hard work when we went in for u.....

ur nan saying.... all your grandad had to do was look at me and I was PG!

(embaressing more than anything)

morningpaper · 02/12/2004 21:51

Aw Slink poor you! Maybe you shouldn't come out with that line to your MIL over Christmas dinner though....