What IVF dose and how many eggs did you get?

@SH998 so I was given the wrong date for tomorrow when it's today so the nurse called, the amount of times she said sorry, I was like I'm absolutely fine I knew I wasn't the last few days. She said she will see about my question about doing another FET soon. Hope you get some info on when you can move forward too.

@SH998 ivf costs are a lot. They want to charge you for every little thing. Some blood tests are over £100 per test. Some exploration tests are £450 like a hycosy. I would think tests for investigations into your fertility you don't need to worry about as the clinic you're with has already done all that and can move them over to a new clinic if you wanted to. Some tests expire like stds. Fresh ivf depends where you are in the country or if you are under a certain age there are schemes for cheaper. My clinic charged £6,200 for the first cycle and then £2100 every FET. There are free interest instalments you can do and what I did for my first cycle but it was only if you pay in a year otherwise you would pay interest if you needed to pay longer.

I've just emailed my clinic to ask if it's negative tomorrow can I do another FET in my next cycle due a week away well due now but delayed because of eostrogen. So will see what they say. I know women who did back to back IUIs so don't see why not. I think the hold up would be pointless apps like a follow up where the doc says the embryo was likely abnormal and then a treatment plan going over meds which I already know what I'm doing. Will see. I kind of want to hurry up to see if these 4CBs are OK and if not then see my options.

I totally get that. My first cycle was just a waste of time no blastocysts and 1 3 day transfer I did because they recommended it when my head said wait to see if it become a blast. My first fresh transfer was a pregnancy and I was always in shock during the pregnancy the pregnancy loss I never connected to it maybe because it was so early, no scan, no bump. But thr pregnancy hangs over you.

IVF is definitely hard but seems like the best chance of pregnancy. I saw it said 9% in women my age in a daily mail story but that's overall ivf not when you get to blastocyst stage then its like 30 to 50%.

@SH998 Good luck for your appointment tomorrow. I hope it goes positively and you are able to have your next FET soon. 5B is a lovely graded embryo. Most babies are Bs not As. So you've got a statistically good one there.

I've already researched 2 embryos transfers, Google, YouTube, etc. There isn't such thing as anyone being able to tell you what will happen. Even if you look at statistics. The chances are low of twins because the embryos are lower grades but it obviously could result in twins or triplets etc. I probably want to avoid the risk so will stick to one at a time as its the difference between a couple grand spent on an extra FET vs £100k in 18 years of raising triplets. I read a woman had twins from 2 x 3Bc embryos. There is a chance although unlikely.

The money issue, I am single and when youre paying out thousands of pounds it's a big deal as I need to be able to have money by the end of this and afford to raise the baby after so I don't know how worth it is. But will just see I guess. 2 more embryos. Also thinking about time off work for apps, my dept is so much smaller and way harder taking time off.

I'm 10dpt now. 12dpt is my last day of testing and then the nurse will ring. Physically my body feels a bit achey in my womb probably my ovaries want to ovulate and then start a period as there's no baby in there. This is the part of FET where eostrogen makes you feel bad. 2 more days of this. Waste of the drugs.

It's funny as I've had 6 negatives and 1 positive. The negatives it starts how I think I could be pregnant, couple days later it's hmmm I don't think I am, but the 1 positive I always thought I was pregnant, I had the least symptoms but for some reason it was clear.

Let me know how your app goes?

@SH998 I thought I'd share the attached which hopefully should give us some hope. This person all their highly graded embryos failed and then their poorly graded embryo was the one that went on to make a baby, a 4Cb. I've see other women say they were successful after their higher grade embryo failed.

I think for me what I find frustrating is the amount of money I keep spending and it all adds up. So it's not really just I'm down about it failing it's that by failing I'm having pay out more, so it doesn't feel like oh it's OK, esp when my 4 IUIs failed, my first cycle ivf I didn't even get 1 blastocyst.

All my salary after bills and mortgage pays for this. The disappointment largely is it would be nice if I can stop paying out so much money.

@SH998 hey, I had cramps but I've read vaginal pessaries cause cramps in the cervix, if placed right near it. I took a test today, still negative 8dpt. I did read frozen embryos take longer to hatch and implant than fresh embryos, up to 5 days and hcg takes 2 to 4 days to secrete, so that's 7dpt to 9dpt thats only blood, in urine its 2 more days. My fresh it showed 4pt. Saying all that im pretty sure it's negative this time round but will test again.

This weekend I've been wracking my brains deciding what I will do next. So I have the 5 day 4CB and 6 day 4CB classed as poorly graded embryo but still have a chance to go on to be healthy babies. As I said earlier grades are superficial but the stats say these poor graded embryos have a 33% chance of pregnancy.

I don't want to waste time, if these are going to fail I'd rather know ASAP, ie implant both at the same time next cycle but then if they both implant I wouldn't be thrilled but could manage just, but if both implant and any split that would be bad, the chances are so low though but could happen. I guess I need to speak to the doc and embryogist. Not that they can guarantee anything I find docs not forthcoming with info.

How are you doing? Now you have your results, is it the follow up Wednesday, then I guess you can start FET your next cycle. We might be doing it around the same time.

@SH998 So the clinic just called me. A nurse. They've never done that before only after an egg collection which makes sense for OHSS. She asked if I had symptoms. I said windy, twinges in my hips and light cramps. She was surprised by the wind. She said she will check, called me back. Said the wind is from me laying on the bed at transfer, rubbish as the amount of times I have and never felt windy. She said the twinges is the eostrogen which I knew. I told her took a test it's negative and she said on the 11th they will call back as its still early.

@SH998 Hey, that's good you got your blood test back. I understand you wanting to hear something was wrong so that there was a clear reason and a solution. I think I explained to you before, from all my research and talking to doctors, the time at transfer your body is a good home for the embryo. Couldnt be better as your linings been checked and on progesterone. The biggest reason for the embryo not implanting Is the embryo is abnormal.

Younger women produce both normal and abnormal eggs, but the percentage is the abnormal eggs leading to abnormal embryos is quite small but when you get older you are likely to produce way more abnormal eggs than normal ones. Embryos making it to 5 days blastocyst weed out very abnormal embryos but it doesn't weed out all of them. If a 5 day blast is abnormal they can't see it by just look, the gradings are superficial and these won't implant and if they do there will be a miscarriage.

There is testing you can pay for but the problem is you might get that horrid news that they're all abnormal when really one of them may correct themselves in your womb. If abnormal they will discard them. Also yes it might not be abnormal but there's no guarantees it will implant its just more likely to.

I did a test today 6dpt and it's negative this is when last time I knew I was pregnant. So yeah I do think it's unlikely but will still test until they said the 11th. Could be a late implantation I guess. But yeah if it fails it's because the embryo was abnormal.

I understand your dread of trying again. I feel the same. So hard. Step by step.

@SH998 I still could be pregnant. I don't feel positive I am and even thinking about the next time I may try which would be my last frozen embryo transfer (2 transfering) before having to do a fresh again. Would be upsetting if that happened as so much money spent for no and then little results. My first ivf cycle was a big fail partly because the doctor only accessed one ovary because they said a fibroid was blocking it but my second ivf another doc did access both.

When I did get pregnant I knew because 2 dpt I had implantation cramps, that was it, nothing else. No real defining symptoms. My other times when it was a failed IUI or transfer i didnt have these symptoms so early but had something near when my period was due. This cycle from 1 dpt to 4 dpt its been non stop cramps, wind and I'm so sure its the eostrogen. It's was too early to be pregnancy. Today 5dpt most of the day I've felt normal, then later light dull ache in my womb. I think it's what you said about eostrogen suppressing the ovaries not to ovulate and stopping your period. Hence the cramping and twinning, like the body is fight against it. My dose is quite high 6mg a day I've seen women say only 4mg.

I've not seen other women on YouTube talk about all this with a medicated cycle, these symptoms. So I don't know. I only have 4 FRER test, used one already may use one tomorrow 6dpt. I did use a cheapie this morning looked negative but did do the negative effect which picked up a second line but I'm skeptical.

Hope you are OK and hoping your app on Wednesday goes well and all your tests you get to do soon.

@SH998 Hey, I'm feeling OK. I'm 4dpt. I'm feeling cramps, twinges in my hips, light tummy ache had shooting pain in ny boob, very windy, its been going on for 3 days non stop. I think it's the eostrogen. I don't know I don't think its to do with pregnancy symptoms. Last time with my FET i was on eostrogen longer because it was a 3day embabie, can't remember cramps this early or twinges but i do remember when my period was due feeling tense, frustrated, my body felt intense stopped pills and had a major release once I got my period. With the fresh transfer I wasn't on eostrogen so it was easier to spot pregnancy like implantation cramps I knew it was that for sure.

I took a pregnancy test today 4dpt it was negative. Last time I took a test at 4dpt it was negative but 2 days later as that same test dried there was a line. I agree that the eostrogen pills are full on. Fresh transfers are better in that regards. I would be surprised if I'm pregnant just the symptoms are so full on so early that I really feel its the eostrogen. Won't take a FRER test again until 6dpt but will with cheapies.

Thanks you've not been unscathed either losing a pregnancy is hard and im wishing you every success too. Hope your Wednesday app comes soon and your not waiting 2 months. They need to get their act together.

@SH998 and yes it was my 3Bb embryo. Clinics will always use the best looking embryo first. It survived the thawing. So hopefully it's the one.🤙

@SH998 Hey, hope you are trying to enjoy your Bank holiday weekend. It's so annoying and frustrating that your clinic is so slow, which delays you from trying to conceive again. The one positive is you do have your embabies that are frozen and are not getting older, if one of them is going to be your baby then waiting a few weeks isn't too bad. Saying all that you shouldn't have to wait. It's the principle of the thing. 😒. I didn't realise nhs ivf patients were treated worst than ivf patients who directly pay. We're all having the same treatment and issues so it's unacceptable that they would do that.

So natural FET is where you take no meds initially, you are monitored to watch your lining thicken and your eggs, once the optimal size, then you have the trigger shot for ovulation, then according to the age of your embabies they will do the transfer, you also take the progesterone pessaries. The negative is you could ovulate naturally too soon, positive is if estrogen pills didn't agree with you it's perfect. It's also as successful as medicated FET. I only mentioned it as you said last time medicated didn't agree with you. Same here. I did medicated both times only because I didn't want to run the risk of cancellation. Cancellation can happen with medicated too if your lining isn't thick enough or if your follicles grow to big, but it's less likely.

Thank you! 😊 So Saturday arrived at clinic with full bladder at 11am, told to go early as app was 12pm incase my bladder wasnt full enough would have IV drip, didnt need it i was bursting, embryologist said embryo was still fine, was sedated which was lovely, then had biscuits and hot chocolate in the recovery bay. 😊 Had chips for dinner not McDonald's but you know the IVF tradition?.

So I am one day past. I'm trying not to look out for symptoms, but I have had twinges and slight cramps in my left side which is where my etopic was. It's so early though, embryo normally implants day 2 and onwards. I do have a fibroid on my left side so it could be just the eostrogen messing with my fibroid thats causing sensation there, which in theory should mellow with the progesterone. It is nerve wracking but I feel in control of any nerves. Such a shame when it's all tainted by pregnancy loss.

Day 2 of cycle started 3 x 2mg eostrogen, then day 14 started 3 x progesterone pessary. That's it. Still taking them. I did take asprin to get my lining thick enough but stopped once it was pre tansfer. Last time I got the faintest positive day 4 post transfer so may test from then on.

Really hope your clinic gets their act together and you can try again soon. 🙏

@SH998 hey, sorry to hear you're having problems with your clinic. Are they a really small clinic? Not a chain of clinics. My clinic is a chain theyre all over and getting appointments is very easy and quick. You can pop in whenever for blood tests as they have nurses in all day. If its not because they're a small clinic then that's not acceptable. 6 weeks for an appointment isn't OK, then to have to cancel it and wait another 6 weeks.

Don't you have a patient co ordinator whose sole job is to ensure everything goes to plan with appointments? I hope you can get it resolved soon. Timing is so important with fertility treatments your clinic should know that. Let me know if you have any luck from the call back.

So before I did my IUIs I watched women getting it done online and they were in extreme discomfort so i decided to be sedated for it. It's very light sedation it's not the same level given as the egg collection. I feel relaxed and chilled when I do it so that's the main thing. The clinic don't mind either way it's whatever the patient feels comfortable with. They have anaesthetist there throughout the week like every other day, so it's not a big deal at all.

Went for my second scan. Had a doctor who throughout the scan said nothing. I sat down, she said nothing whilst typing her notes for like 3 mins. I thought oh no, then she said your transfers on Saturday, take progesterone now. So all good... my lining is 9.7mm. Same growth as last time. 3mm.

I feel OK. Hoping its successful. Especially as its my second blastocyst transfer and the first was successful obviously ended not great. There is anxiety that it won't work or it will be another pregnancy loss but have to push through that as you know too well. Will see.

Have you thought about doing a natural FET instead of a medicated? Do you think that could make your FET go better? The eostrogen does make me feel funny at times.

@SH998 hey, hope you're OK. Have you had a specific date for your treatment plan appointment. I know you said within 2 weeks so that should be soon. Have you chosen if it will be natural or medicated?

I thought I'd share had my 1st scan day 10 to check my lining. It was 6.7mm they would prefer 7.5mm or above so have to come back for another scan on Monday. Eostrogen seems to be keeping ovaries dormant so that's good. She didn't mention taking 1 x 75mg asprin like last time so in reading I've decided to use my initiative and take them every night from today as she advised that last transfer and my womb went from 7 to 10mms back then.

So my only concern is she said my transfer might be the 3rd which is day 23 of my cycle when I have a 26 day cycle. I only do transfers under sedation and the anesthetist is only in Mon, Wed, Fri and Sat. The 1st she thinks they might not be available because of bank holiday so that leaves the 3rd.

I was like are you sure that's OK sounds so late, she said it's fine it's day 17 to 22, as long as I've had 5 days of progesterone. I've looked online and up to day 24 is fine but I would imagine that's for women with longer cycles like 28 days. If bank holiday is a no go I will say my worry. She is the doctor I guess so should know more than me.

@SH998 Hey, how have you been? Hope you're trying to be positive. Is the treatment plan over a video call or is it in the clinic? Treatment plan? Hope that goes well. I know you wanted to do more tests and then FET. I understand your thoughts on FET. Would you consider a natural FET, no hormones, I think it's just the trigger shot? Natural vs Medicated FET there's no vast success to either but clinics do recommend medicated because they're more in control of your cycle and you won't ovulate prematurely, if that happened then the cycle will be cancelled.

I'm OK, thanks. So my full flow period was on Tuesday, yesterday I started 2mg of Estradiol 3 times a day, will keep doing that now, have my scan on the 20th to check my lining. I think the threshold is pretty high at my clinic like 8.5, when i had a 3 day embro FET my lining was like 8 and they were like you need more days and it got to 10.

I'm feeling a bit rough...my period is extremely heavy because I have fibroids, that I don't want to remove as most are in the lining of my womb, so it'd be like removing chunks of a wall in a house...it would jeopardise the house.

I have decided if I have another etopic pregnancy that I'm definitely going to opt for surgery rather than injection especially if it's the same tube, that way it's less likely to happen again, I won't bleed for 12 weeks and the pain will just be flesh wounds rather than womb contracting for 10 weeks. Saying all that I read less etopic pregnancies happen with frozen transfers. I've also decided if it doesn't work out next time to transfer 2 of my 4CB embryos at the same time, it's very unlikely to get twins from that. Then at least that saves time so I know if they will implant.

Trying to keep positive.