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IVFers thread

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TheMNPeacekeepingForce · 23/12/2007 18:51

Anyone fancy starting an ongoing thread for those who are having IVF/ are planning to try again via IVF soon?

Ds was conceived via IVF - he's now 2.6 and we're stepping back on the scary rollercoaster ride with a FET - I started taking the drugs yesterday!

OP posts:
coggy · 01/02/2008 20:45

worrymerchant.....I hope you get some more sleep tonight. You and your poor ds.

coggy · 01/02/2008 20:43

Hi Trace.....thanks for chasing me up!
Hope you and youir lovely Chloe are all okay.

My scan today was not brilliant....as I had feared. My lining is only 7.1mm and I only have 6 smallish follicles. Instead of EC on Monday I now have to go for another scan to see how much they have grown.

I have an army of people praying for my follicles now!!!!!

onlya phase....obviously your body has behaved itself unlike mine!!
How many follicles (and what size) did your scan show today...hope you don't mind me being nosey but I've not really got any experience/ knowledge about how much and so on.....I was so impressed by soosy's 17 that I feel a bit fed up.

Onlyaphase · 01/02/2008 20:07

Goodness, what a lot to catch up on

SS - I tested early after IVF last time, on what would have been 12days past ovulation/EC - but I kept needing a wee in the middle of the night so suspected something was up anyway. Would probably do the same again if I had any suspicions, else would leave it until 14 days post transfer.

TRQ - I read your post with mixed feelings. My DH is lovely, and a source of great support should I need it, but I find it easier to deal with things on my own most of the time. This time around for IVF I've done all the injections and scans on my own - he came to the initial consultation only - and he will be away on business for 2 weeks shortly after potential embryo transfer. TBH I'm happy with this and it is what I want....apart from the business trip. First time around though DH did all the injecting and came to every scan, but we are more relaxed about it this time, plus have childcare to deal with too. Your point about regretting it if you don't go ahead now is the clincher - time isn't on your (or my!) side, so best crack on while you can.

Clinic again today, EC on for Monday morning. It just seems to be happening so quickly - don't forget I downregged on the pill this time so only started injecting a week ago today, and EC is upon me already. Has made the whole IVF process a lot more painless and it hasn't taken over my whole life like it did last time

Sure there is something else I meant to say!

worrymerchant · 01/02/2008 16:43

Hi everyone... it seems as though I just have to blink and there is a whole load more news to catch up on!!

I had a nightmare day yesterday.. began at 2.30am, DS ill with abdo pain, rush to doctor. Told: watch for it to get better (then prob gstritis) or worse (then prob appendicitis), had to leave him with mum (felt guilty) while went to clinic for blood test, stuck in traffic, arrived 1 hour late, tearful, and forgot to ask all my questions. What a nerd.

Back home DS neither better nor worse.. but up again last night at 2am. AM shattered ... what day of the week is it?

I wish every one of you the best for whatever stages you are all at...

TRQ - perhaps DH is simply afraid. Men rarely like to show their vulnerability. They think the old head in the sand routine far more winning. Actually that's just another way of saying they can be quite selfish at times. This is a terribly emotional process and you will go through all the extremes over and over, so dont agonise too much. You got it right when you said that you might regret things if you didnt go ahead. Living with regrets is the worst possible outcome.

Have a great weekend everyone!

trace2 · 01/02/2008 16:06

hi just wanted to wish you all good luck!

coggy sweety hows you? and good luck on monday

EHM · 01/02/2008 16:00

Hi I 've been trying to read the thread & have responses for everybody. Sorry If I miss anybody, I am not being rude just losts of posts & lots of new names for me.

Thank you for all your warm welcomes.

SSGlad transfer went well. Hope you can rest as much as ds allows. Normally around 2 weeks from transfer we had blood tests. I was tested 10 days after transfer with Ellie as I done home pregnancy test on day 9 as I felt very odd.
CoggyGood Luck for Monday.
OnlyaPhase-Good luck too for Monday.
soosyglad all went well.you are very strong 10 attemtps & now on to your 14th wow!
Sticki Hope injections get easier for you.I must admit they make be tired too I started them on Tuesday.
worryM fingers x & hope 2ww goes very quicly for you.
Hi to theredqueen I think that men find the whole process hard to deal with. They can't understand how you are feeling. My dh gives me my injections so he could feel more involved.I also think they are less emotional as a breed so deal with things more inwardly. Hope things go well for you. DH & I did do for counsilling before we recommenced IVF would have been our 4th attempt. This helped greatly we found we where both more 'opened' with each other. I can recommend the therapist if you wish.

Have a great weekend everybody

AuntieMeemz · 01/02/2008 15:44

TRQ
I wanted to share something with you. I was once in a situation, just about to have IVF and DH was in a bad, bad way emotionally. After days of agonising debate, we went ahead. My resaon was that things change,and can change again. If all is not peffect, you can make it work.

It was the best decision of my life.

TheRedQueen · 01/02/2008 12:45

Thanks Soosy - 14th attempt? I don't know whether to admire you greatly and take it that it can't be all that bad, or to think all the drugs must simply have addled your brain along the way!!

You are right about DH simply being weary of TTC. He is - and rightly so - it has governed our lives for years and getting back on the horse is not much fun.

I don't think he has ever felt pushed out by DD though. That's me if anyone! There is no doubt that he is the more natural parent (he would kill to be a SAHD for a while if finances allowed it!). If anything, I think he may have backed off the idea of a second child because he rather likes giving his all and everything to DD and would rather not disturb the equilibrium.

I suppose what I am struggling with is the change in his attitude to the process since the first time round. He was so supportive and understanding - always knew what was happening when and did everything he could to keep the pressure off. And now things have got more serious and he has backed off. But you are right that I shouldn't underestimate him - he may well surprise me once we are underway.

soosy · 01/02/2008 12:12

Hello Red Queen you are not crashing, I am sorry you feel abandoned by you DH. I have to say though, that my husband who loves me dearly, is a bit like that. He can't cope with the day to day dealing with fertility treatment and so it doesn't really get mentioned unless there is news! My DH never knows when my period is and I have to say that we tried for 7 years for our DS (10th ivf attempt) and the sex has dropped off a lot, like a few times a year.

Fertility treatment takes its toll and perhaps your DH is reacting the only way he knows how. Plus to be honest having a child so many years together means there is a huge shift in your relationship. Some men do feel pushed out when the longed for baby does appear, and I was guilty of this, sometimes you don't want to share this bundle you have waited so long for, and you think they can't look after them as well as you.

I think also they have no idea what is oging on. My Dh this attempt, 14th btw, asked me to help him with some work from the office,(I used to work in the same business) and I had to tell him that I had just had my ovaries stabbed twenty something times with a needle about the size of a knitting needle so i wasn't really in the mood.
I don't want to sound too biased towards your DH. I hope this helps, the male beast is different to us, and in most ways I find mumsnet and female friends a good support during treatment. good luck and go for it, you never know your DH may really surprise you.

soosy · 01/02/2008 11:58

I have been told to test 14 dpt but I have had a three day transfer. Usually your af would arrive 14 days after ovulation, so you could test then. If I make it to 14 days after transfer I will probably be pg.

I have in the past had tests in the house waiting, but this time I am not even going to buy any unless I get to valentine's day without AF! So I'm pretty much like you Sticki. Plus I did an earlier test once (2nd attempt after DS) and had a faint positive, but then had af a few days later, too much disappointment for me.

Sticki, what are they giving you! hope you have understanding DH to look after you, mine thinks he is on holiday when he comes home during treatment and potters about, he got drunk on wed night and had hangover, so utterly useless at looking after ds while i went for transfer and acupuncture.

Coggy I hope all goes well at clinic today.

SS hope 2WW going calmly.

TheRedQueen · 01/02/2008 11:50

Hello and very best of luck to everyone on this thread. I have my fingers (and everything else!) tightly crossed for you all.

I hope no-one feels I am crashing the thread, but I am scheduled for IVF next month and I would appreciate some thoughts from those with experience as to whether you think you would go ahead in my circumstances ? basically without the emotional support of your partner. Here?s the (rather long) story:

DH and I started TTC our first child seven years ago. Two years later we saw a fertility specialist who diagnosed unexplained infertility on my side. He suggested chlomid, which seemingly didn?t work, and we were then told to consider IVF. We were shocked, but were saved from making a decision as I unexpectedly got pregnant ?naturally? in the first month off chlomid. Our DD was born in mid-2005 and we agreed to start TTC a second child straight away. However, three years and eight rounds of chlomid later, there has been no BFP and IVF is now back on the table.

The problem is that ? as time has gone on - my husband has become indifferent towards having a second child and now provides little, if any, emotional support. I notice it most in the little things ? the lack of a hug even when he knows my period has arrived, the fact that he never asks how things are going, etc. We discussed his feelings at length in November, and I know the reasons for them and sympathize with some of them. As I explained to him at the time though, I still need his active emotional support in trying to get pregnant again because ? sadly ? it still involves the same practical and physical discomfort and emotional rollercoaster as the first time round. He acknowledged this and matters improved in the very short term. However, it is clear that the leopard isn?t going to change his spots.

Most of the time, I can deal with the situation. But I also have days when it gets to me and I feel like I am going it alone and that he is letting me down. Sometimes I wonder if I am being unreasonable in what I expect from him ? he is in no way a selfish or inconsiderate man generally; other times I think he is unrealistic and uncaring to think he can be prepared to father a second child but ignore the practical realities of infertility for me.

And because of all this, I don?t know what to do about IVF. The treatment start date is fast approaching, I really want to at least try for a second child and, at 39, I feel like each passing month is too precious to lose. Some days I think I can get through it ?alone? ? I have managed so far. But on other days, IVF feels like such an enormous step compared to simple hormone treatment (is it???), and I want the feeling that we are both in it together. I worry simply about being able to let off steam. I worry about coping with high dosage fertility drugs when even low dosages make me very volatile and unhappy. I worry about the treatment not working and ending up feeling that the loss isn?t truly shared. And then I get to worrying what effect that might have on our relationship ? but then equally about what the effect might be of not going ahead and regretting it ? and possibly resenting him for it - in years to come.

I would appreciate anyone?s thoughts. I have looked for support elsewhere, but there isn?t really anyone, whether parents, siblings, friends, etc. And apart from that, I am not sure anyone could replace my husband.

Sticki · 01/02/2008 09:53

Soosy - great news about your 2. Well done.

SS - I cant really help with testing. Ive never got past 10 or 11 days with out AF coming. Im pretty phobic about testing so Im not sure I will this time until Im pretty sure of a good answer. Do what you feel is right for you. (I know the 16 days is ridiculous!)

Feel like Ive been run over by a truck today after my 1st injection... very tired. So busy trying to minimise energy expenditure!

Have a good day. Good luck to everyone at their clinics today, and with the 2ww.

SaveScrabulous · 31/01/2008 22:42

Hi again
Quick question - how long are you guys going to wait before testing??

My clinic says 16 days after ET - but given I had a day 6 transfer that would be silly!

Last time I tested at what would be 10 days post ovulation with an early response kit - and it showed up faintly - the lines then got stronger as I retested each day!

Just wondering what you all think you will do and how long I can hold off from testing.

I might try testing on sunday or monday - albeit I am aware i might get a false negative or indeed a faint positive that then fades if things don't continue....

coggy · 31/01/2008 20:37

Glad to hear that you had a lovely weekend Sticki.
I have yet to experience the delights of the discharge!!
Sounds marvellous!!!

Hope your injecting starts smoothly tomorrow.

coggy · 31/01/2008 20:34

Soosy...that's really good news. Everything crossed for your 'super two'!!
We were told we were only allowed to freeze if there was four or more grade 1 or 2s. I suppose, again, it's difference in clinics.

SS........how did I miss your name change??!!!
I am so sorry.....blame it on the hormones!!!!

onlyaphase.....look's like we are now in sync. My scan is tomorrow also and, if all goes according to plan, my EC is scheduled for Monday too.

Is it normal to get really nervous?
I am surprising myself!!
I'm normally pretty chilled out and I haven't really even thought about the procedures much until now....but I just don't want to be told that nothing's worked and that's it.
Well.....18 hours to go and I'll know!!

AuntieMeemz · 31/01/2008 19:35

I know this may not be the right place, but I so want you to know this..
we did DE in Ukraine, and now, to my utter disblelief, we are parents. ( 1 3years old and 9 months) I still can't believe it,and I really want to let people know that even when you truly don't think it will ever happen, it can.
It took us 12 years, and every penny(beofre we found out about Kiev) and every ounce of strength we have, but we did it.

soosy · 31/01/2008 19:22

Hello everyone.

SS sympathise massively, it's quite a hard time with ds I found 2.5 really full on with lots of lifting, don't worry a friend went through treatment when her DS was about that age and she got pg with one embryo and lots of lifting!

Only I hope all goes well at your scan tomorrow, it sounds as though things are growing. sorry about the childcare thing, if the worst comes to the worst take him with you, (hope haven't put foot in mouth and you do have a boy, not a girl ).

Sticki thanks for the message, everyone was really kind today i wonder why.... I hope it's because i am a lovely person!

When is your next scan coggy, hope all is going well.

Worry hope all went well and you got answers for all your questions, btw tell us too, because I am certainly quite curious!

ET went well and I had 2 grade one 8 cell embryos put back, and the really great news is I have 3 or 4 to freeze!!
Made it back in time for my acupuncture so after a dreadful start toady went quite well. The acupuncture has really made a different this time to the quality and quantity of eggs and my lining is much thicker, so fingers crossed!

SaveScrabulous · 31/01/2008 15:06

Hi
Good luck Soosy.

Nope Only I'm not managing to relax at all - have been lifting ds - can't see how I can't iyswim. I'm trying not to get stressed about not being able to relax as it will just make it even worse! If I do get pregnant from this I am so going to be a message of reassurance to those worried about the effects of not resting on treatment!

Sticki · 31/01/2008 13:42

GOOD LUCK SOOSY! Hope all goes smoothly after your nightmare yesterday (they really are crap).

SS - great news about your frosties. You really are pregnant now...just a matter of time until it is confirmed! Keeping thinking positive.

WM - I usually take Heparin injections too to prevent further implantation problems. (And they really hurt after a while!) I have to have a blood test about 4 or 5 days after starting it to check that the blood platelet levels havent fallen too far (checking that blood would clot properly if I cut myself etc).

Only - hope they have told you where you are with the EC? Great news about the follicles - hope they are still growing well, and you manage to get your childcare sorted (adds an extra level of stress eh!)

Coggy - How are you doing? Know any more about your schedule?

Have a good day everyone.

Onlyaphase · 31/01/2008 11:39

Hi all, goodness this board has been busy! hope everyone is well -

SS - hope you are putting your feet up and thinking happy thoughts - though with a toddler to cope with I think this may be wishful thinking! So nice for you to have 2 left in the freezer as well.

Soosy - hope your transfer goes OK today. What a mess about timings - I think clinics forget we are trying to fit the rest of our lives around these appointments. A lot of it is just good customer service which seems to go by the board sometimes when they are busy, which shouldn't be the case given they are dealing with hormonal women.

Coggy - how do you feel? I do feel more tender aorund my abdomen and maybe a bit bloated as well, but I did feel the same last time too. Also one of my ovaries is stuck to everything else around it, so I would expect to feel a bit sore as it hasn't really got any freedom to move anywhere with a bit more room, if you see what I mean. When is your EC scheduled for?

WM - hope the blood test etc goes OK today. Would be interesting to know why you have oral tabs as well as pessaries, though I guess every clinic does things differently

Sticki - good to have you back. 13 Feb is really close now, not long to go.

No scans for me today, have one at noon tomorrow when they will confirm EC on Monday (or not). Childcare arrangments have fallen through though, but I refuse to get stressed about that until the EC date is confirmed. Then I will panic!

worrymerchant · 30/01/2008 21:19

Hi, no have had no tests for that nor has anything been suggested to me, but I will ask about it when I go tomorrow. No idea for reason for blood test, perhaps is routine. Maybe is to monitor what hep is doing. Will find out tom and let you know!

soosy · 30/01/2008 20:55

Messages crossed worrymerchant, heparin is usually given for hughes syndrome, or sticky blood. Its not serious but it does cause miscarriages. Have you had a test for it or do you think they are covering all bases?

Do you think the blood test could be a pg test? or are they just checking your hormone levels.

Never had oral tablets and pessaries, I agree though pessaries much better up the bottom, far too messy otherwise.

soosy · 30/01/2008 20:51

Thanks worrymerchant,I feel much better, much to do with the vast quantities of rescue remedy and chocolate eggs ingested, eggs stolen from DS's stash. I think I will talk to someone though, as i don't want this to happen to someone else who doesn't live so close and would maybe miss their treatment.

sticki, glad to here everything on track and you had a peaceful wkend away!

Coggy thanks too hope you are feeling ok tonight, i don't feel much until just before the first scan and then even with my huge load the feeling comes and goes. It's not really painful, more a full feeling, everything a little bit squashed. But I have a friend who had 8 eggs who felt nothing at all so don't worry. Acupuncturist hasn't called me back yet, so have no idea if we can fit both before and after, if possible in , which is meant to be the ideal!

Night night going to watch Kirstie and Phil. xx

worrymerchant · 30/01/2008 20:50

And.. Hello stickie, thanks for the welcome..
this is a very long thread and hard to keep up with you all... am in bed with asthma tonight but just wanted to say good luck ot everybody that is undergoing various treatments this week. All this talk of big follicles and lots of eggs is so encouraging!

I have to go in to ACU tom for a blood test... no idea why... is this normal to do this half way thru the 2ww?

Alao, I have been given progesterone tablets (oral) in addition to the pessaries, aND have to do nightly heparin injections...is that the norm too for anyone?

worrymerchant · 30/01/2008 20:38

Dear Soosy, what a dreadful experience; i have also been a bit surprised at some of my own treatment... I think sometimes, clinicians forget that they are dealing with people who are under a great deal of emotional stress. I would try my best to let it wash over you for now and remain focussed on being centred and positive about what is going on. There will be plenty of time to give feedback to the clinic later. Perhaps if you write it all down to get it off your chest (which will also be a record for you)...in my case when i went for my first scan after starting stimulation, the doctor shook her head and said "well it's not good is it? we may as well carry on for another couple of days and then see if its worth continuing" !!! I was SOOOOO upset. From later dealings wiht her it turns out she is really sweet, just no bedside manner that particular morning. But I still intend ot point it out to them as I think a good clinic will be interested to know how it can do better. Esp with the HFEA looking over their shoulder.