IVFers thread

Hi all

SS - hoping for better test results for you tomorrow. I know what you mean about testing early - a negative result isn't so bad if you can think it might be positive tomorrow. Though obviously a positive result would be better

WM...your poor DS. Are you getting any rest at all?

Had egg collection this morning and am feeling very sore now. Think they used a fairly hefty dose of painkiller on me as I have no recollection at all of any of the procedure nor of getting back to the recovery room, unlike last time. I was in theatre for 30 minutes as my right ovary is tricky to access - which may explain why I feel like I have been kicked. They got 5 eggs, which I am pleased with, not a huge amount but I don't produce masses of eggs anyway - will wait to see what tomorrow brings in the way of news of them.

DH is being a star and looking after DD all day as I really don't feel up to it yet.

oh I just typed a whole message and lost it argh.

Anyway SS things look more positive ha ha ha.

Worry hope DS feeling better, and I know what you mean about the 2WW, worse thing ever, I wish there was a way round it! You have lots of sympathy as I think the nearer you get to the day the harder it becomes.

I don't want to test early, as I have done before and had a + got v excited and then had af a few days later.

Still here waiting til the 14th!

Worry - sorry to hear about the casualty trip - hope ds and dd are both getting better and you manage some rest.

Worry - I really think that testing early isn't so bad IF you are aware that it won't be conclusive. Personally I like doing it as it would ease me into a result rather than it being a sudden negative. So the first few days I'd think 'well it's probably a no, but you never know' so I'd already be starting to get used to the idea that it's a no without it being a definite thing. Not explaining myself at all well.

But testing early is addictive be warned and it gets expensive (says ss off to shell out another £10 at Boots for more tests)....

Hi all, so lots going on this week eh?

SS - just picture that line getting stronger each time you test.

Coggy - hope things go well for you today.

Had a lovely Sat night... in casualty with DS! HE is much better now, they took bloods and gave him strong painkillers for hte pain, antibioltics for a urine infection and said they still think the stomach spasms are viral. THen later that night DD goes down with bad chest, asthma and cold. No sleep again for me!!

RE testing again... I was told to test this Fri as I was a day 2 transfer... do you theink there is any sense in trying earlier? half of me doesnt dare, dont even know if i'll be able to do it on Fri! but other half cant sope with waiting. it's doing my head in and bringing me down. i have quite a few symptoms,(cramps, sore boobs, dizzy, metallic taste in my mouth) but i also know that these can be interpreted either way.

Anyway, Good luck this week girls. xxx

Today's pee stick had a very slight pink line- a bit more than yesterdays although that might just be because I used the first wee of the day.

Will buy some more today and see what tomorrow's brings...

How is everyone else today?

Soosy - does your MIL know about the treatment? Bit mean to just descend on you like that. Hope you manage some rest today.

Sticki - sorry we never managed to meet face to face at the clinic. I found them all amazing this time. The Philipino nurse who was there during my ET was so sweet and held my hand throughout- what a lovely lady.

Ok at this rate we should all buy shares in the makers of First Response test kits!

Thanks all for your words of sense (I need a dose of this at the moment as am losing the plot with the testing!! )

SS - early morning pee has the highest concentration of hormone so is defo the only stuff to go for. Try again tomorrow. As Soosy says its not over until the fat lady sings.

Fingers crossed for everyone.

oh SS try again tomorrow coggy is right early morning pee makes a hell of a difference, it ain't over til the fat lady sings (the fat lady being AF) watching no reservations on DVD and I can't stop crying. Have had c*p day MiL descended with a surprise visit, DS had a birthday party this am and I was hoping for some rest this afternoon, but not luck and then they finally leave at four so no rest, for me. Hoping for more sleep tonight, DS hasn't woken up yet (good sign). Roll on tomorrow SS and GoodLuck to you too Coggy.

Tut tut!
That makes a HUGE difference you know.
Now you can be positive again....it really wasn't a fair test was it?

So..that one doesn't count, forget it and move onto tomorrows!!!!

I didn't do it first thing whereas last time all of the early tests I did were with the first wee of the day !! (sorry if tmi!)

Might do another tomorrow with first wee.

Oh dear. Did you do it first thing?
It is still terribly early y'know....keep thinking positive thoughts....easy to say I know.
X

Not feeling very optimistic today I have to say!

I did a first response test today and it was blank apart from the very faintest grey line IF I held it up in bright light and looked very very hard.

So either - it is a negative

• it is too early.

I guess that I am not feeling optimistic as last time I tested at day 11 (i.e. equivalent of tomorrow) and got a very faint but darker than this pink line.....

These preg tests are so expensive it is so stupid of me but I couldn't wait and also I quite like the idea of being eased gently into a BFN iykwim rather than testing on say day 16 and gettng a no.

It's SOOOOOO exciting!!!!

Is tomorrow the day then SS?

oh god SS you are so full of optimism. I wish I could be too, I don't have any crampy ovaries, but didn't for my last pg (did for 1st pg) and am trying not to symptom spot as I didn't have any last time . Am feeling v tired, but that could be down to my ds being awake most nights since I have had transfer. He has a bit of a cold, but I think he is all a bit at sea as daddy is at home and mummy keeps disappearing for a bit, so I think he is waking to make sure I am still here. But it makes everything not quite so restful.

Yes Coggy re discomfort being a good thing - I've had a few headaches today and yesterday which can happen in early preg and so instead of being fed up about them am quite happy - even though they might JUST be headaches and I might not be pregnant.

I guess my 2ww is rather short!! A less than 1ww if I test early! With the 6day embryos if you add even a week that takes you to the equivalent of 13dpo...makes it a lot shorter.

Coggy - hope you aren't up and down to the loo all night. That is a lot of fluid to drink (good practice for the embryo transfer if you need a full bladder!!)

Someone asked about why they were transferred on day 6. All our embryos were taken to day 5 (i.e. into blastocysts) as our clinic felt we had enough embryos to do this and it increases success rates as only the stronger ones survive to this stage. Then the ones they didn't use last time were frozen on day 5 so by the time they were defrosted and transferred we were told it was the equivalent of day 6.

OAP - love your grumpy OAP comment. I guess this name is going to stick. But I love your full version - so very true!

Soosy - you have two great quality embryos in there don't you. Fascinating that the acupuncture seems to have helped with quality. I really believe it made a difference to our fresh cycle although because it was our first I have absolutely no proof!
How are you feeling?? I'm sure last time I started to feel a bit funny maybe 8 or 9 days post ovulation (or the equivalent) so am starting to symptom spot now - a bad habit!! I have bought the First Response pregnancy tests ready but kept receipts in case I don't get that far!

Hi to everyone else.

Wow 15 minutes away from your clinic OAP....fantastic!
I guess that takse some of the stress out of getting there and back.

I am sitting here drinking a mug of milk as I type, also drunk 2 1/2 litres of water today. Guess I'm going to have a busy night keep going to the loo then!!!
I've actually trying to drink 2 litres a day for the past few weeks in preparation for the IVF.

I am pleased to say that I feel much more confident again tonight as I can feel quite a lot of aching where I guess my ovaries are. Weird how now discomfort is a good thing!!!

Lots of us seemed to be so close together....now SS could test on Monday, Soosy in 12 days....it's going to be an exciting and nerve wracking few weeks I think.

Blimy....just realised...this Monday?????
That's only 3 days away...........
That is a quick 2WW!!!!!!

Am happy to be OAP now!

Coggy - for what its worth, my clinic was telling me that lining and follicles develop in their own time and you should reach the same result sooner or later. Drinking lots of milk apparantly helps egg quality as well, I guess it is the protein and fluid intake again.

WM - I think your twinges are good news - temp and fever not sure - did your clinic give you antibiotics after ET to rule out any infection? Hate to ask this in case you say no, and start worrying needlessly. Can you remember how you felt in the very early stages of pregnancy last time?

I'm using the same small clinic in Essex as I did last time, and we only live 15 minutes awa, plus parking is very easy there. Scans last time were a NIGHTMARE, trying to get to work in the City afterwards on the train and never being able to get a scan at the time I wanted. So much easier this time as I haven't actually gone back to work. Am lucky there is a decent clinic near me, would really hate to travel a long way to one
for all these appointments.

Hope everyone else is having a good weekend

coggy, sorry about your scan, but follicles and linings can pop up in a few days so don't panic yet. Eat Chicken soup and drink water lots as it helps the follicles grow ( they are full of fluid). Maybe some ginger for circulation and could you get some acupuncture? Willing bigger follicles and thicker lining for you

oap I hate the buserlin too, I didn't do any downregging instead just started with gonal f on d 3 and then when follicles get to +/- 15 mm start cetrotide to stop ovulation, much less stressful and quicker. I don't know why clinic don't do this more, I think it's because it is harder to manipulate than with buserlin. Mean really.

SS my god I can't believe you can test on Mon, my transfer (3day I know) was only a day after yours and I thought we would be testing closer together! Going to hang on til the 14th if I can so only 12 days to go! We are trying to sell our house at the moment, god am I mad! Actually, thought IVF would be over before they started viewings but..... So in a way iat is probably better I don't think about testing until 14th otherwise I will worry about everything!

Thank you WM....I think it's just because it's my first (and potentilly only) go that I am flapping a bit!!
That's amazing about how different yours were...I had forgotten actually.
I guess as everyone says...it only takes one.

I hope you're feeling better this afternoon...perhaps it's the tiredness. I'm no help on temps and pains I'm afraid...sorry. But I do hope it's all good for you.
X

It is bizzare all these differences isn't it OAP (can we call you that now pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease??!! ). I was due to have only the one scan throught the whole thing! No lowering dosages etc for me....they expected it to have worked and then go for it! Mind you...I'm pretty glad that I haven't been booked in for lote of tracking scans as I live 1 1/2 hours away form the clinic and it's a right faff keep having to make the journey for a 10 minute appointment!
What a PIA about all of your wasted drug too.
I don't suppose any of that would be refunded or bought off you either form what's been said before.

My follicles and lining don't know how lucky they are!!!! Thanks nomore.

Praying for your follicles/lining coggy

hi, thanks everyone, DS still poorly, but we think not appendicitis as pain moved in wrong direction. is now settling in left side of abdomen. but we had a better night last night.

having said that i have not had a good morning. Feel wuite tetshy, but then DH really upset me by saying is probably PMT. i just feel quite light headed and am getting sharp twinges in abdomen. also my temp is up. Dont know what to make of it all. Any ideas?

Coggy - plenty of time for things to develop over the weekend... remember i was told similar at my first scan and 2 days later it was a different story..i went from having 3 follicles to seven. one small and 2 good, to 4 large and 3 smaller. KEep thinking positive, you still taking the meds and so they still have time to do their job. x

Am feeling so thick today it took me ages to work out the OAP thing! Now I'm just sitting here giggling at my stupidity instead...

WM - hope your DS is Ok now

Coggy - sorry about your scan - I do find it odd the way clinics all vary in what they do. If things had followed the plan I would have had 5 separate scans and blood tests after the baseline scan so they could adjust doses and dates accordingly - as it is I have only had 3. Yesterday my follicles were behaving themselves and I had about 8 over 15mm and maybe 6 or so smaller ones that probably won't catch up. Whether they can get to all 8 follicles is another matter as my right ovary is hiding behind a loop of bowel. Frankly I'm delighted that I have any at all. Oh, also my clinic have lowered my dose of puregon 3 times now, so I have £800 worth of it sitting unused in the fridge.

SS - I didn't take buserelin injections this time around as OAP + Buserelin = Screechy Grumpy OAP. Would recommend this approach of using the pill, has honestly made IVF so much shorter and less life-invasive. Oh, and best of luck for testing soon - any random symptoms yet?

Thanks SS....my follicles and I appreciate it!!

I also lurve the OAP!!!!!
So much faster to type......but much less polite!!!

Why did they do your transfer on day 6...does it give the embryos/blastocysts (?!) more chance?
The more I find out the more confused I get as everywhere is SO different in what they do!

I also assumed that I would test 14 days after transfer. I wasn't even going to take when the EC was into account. Yet another thing learnt!!

Worry - hope your ds is starting to get better.
OAP (couldn't resist calling you that!) good luck for Monday. Why are you on the shorter protocol?
It sounds much less drawn out.

I think I will test on day 14 unless I get an inkling something is going on in which case I might test from day 11 (Monday!!! Can't believe it would be so soon - having day 6 embryos transferred certainly cuts down that 2 week wait). Last time I had a heightened sense of smell and some other little symptoms and so decided to test early like Only a Phase.

Coggy - I will say more follies prayers for you too (and I'm not even religious!)

TRQ - this is a tricky situation isn't it. I agree counselling might be a good move - do you think dh would be happy to do that though?

Have a lovely weekend everyone and get ready for another drugs/ follicle/ embryo/ positive test packed week!