Entering into 8th cycle..

@FlyOnTheWall89 3 months plus ugh. It’s when it gets to 4/5 months. That’s so many goes for me.

I can’t wait that long to find an answer or solution so we will deff start paying and going private. But will wait and get a rough time frame first. Or if DH has normal results I’ll instantly panic and think we’ll it must be me!

@FlyOnTheWall89 will you retest privately?

Tbh I almost expect DHs tests to not come back normal. He’s had a lot go on the past few years, high stress. But is healthy otherwise. Never smokes. Hardly drinks. Healthy weight etc etc.

I deff have hope we can conceive in the normal year time frame. But if it goes beyond that I don’t know at what point you move to more invasive. Think it’s hard if all seems okay and it’s unexplained.

Like I don’t have time to try naturally for 2 years just hoping it works when it clearly isn’t working! Lol

The waiting is horrible isn’t it. And suspect now for you almost feels pointless trying. But it isn’t. Stranger things happen.

Good idea to get things booked in tho. I keep hearing ppl mention about Dr Ramsey. He sounds like a sperm expert 😁😁

@FlyOnTheWall89 yeh think they always ask for second semen analysis when you get to fertility clinic. Or certainly if the first was abnormal. Not sure if they do if the original is normal.

I’m hoping the wait will only be about 3 months for the fertility clinic but not sure if that’s wishful thinking?! Could be like 6 months 🤦🏻‍♀️

If DH semen is fine. Think I will get some tests private for me to check if it’s gonna be a long wait. It’s knowing where to spend the money when you’re not sure how much it’s going to cost you!

They said max 7 working days for DHs results and today is 6th day. So GPS should get them back any time. It’s just how long DH waits to speak to GP. But I will get him to ask if he can have a print out of results whilst he waits to speak to GP

@OK92 @FlyOnTheWall89

Although I did think right. If 15 out of 100 couple are not pregnant at 1 year. And only 40% of those is male factor. So like 6/100.

Be weird if we’re those 3/100 right? Like and is 3 just happened to meet and end up here. When we started we still had every chance of conceiving same as everyone else and be in the 85/100.

Not sure if that makes any sense. But what shitty odds is that!

@OK92 no I think it just meant a usual count of 100mil. 100mil soerm would never be good lol would need a huge count for that. I guess just 100mil sperm with other normal parameters. Just feel like that’s hard to come by these days.
It did say mens sperm over last 40 years has deteriorated by like 40%!
Just shows for easy conception what you ideally need.
But not to say it count without. But hundreds need to get to the egg! I honestly thought just one could do it. Shows what I know 😂😂
So encouraging millions of sperm into our cervix is the best bet.

Makes sense now why ivf works for ppl ie with the sperm issues. Takes that fertilisation issue right out of it.

I know I did chat with DH last night. Like how long ttc naturally is enough before moving to IVF is you have to self fund.

When 84% will be pregnant after 1 year. But 94% after 2 years. It’s so hard to know what to do.

@FlyOnTheWall89 yeh deff still possible. Think if you had 100m sperm count you’d prob be pregnant within 2/3 months. And if you don’t that’s why it takes longer sometimes.
Doesn’t explain unexplained ppl tho. But if IVF works for unexplained ppl and then fertilised egg chooses to implant. In my head the sperm can’t be getting there and fertilising the egg right? Cos if it did one time you would get pregnant. So go figure. It’s weird how it works.

Yeh well GP may offer to email them or give him a print out. We will see as yet. I mean I’m not pregnant this month and DH already takes supplements so waiting a few more days doesn’t make a massive difference as I’m not sure what I can change even if it is bad 🤷🏻‍♀️

I will ask the GP if they refer though how long the wait roughly is. And if he doesn’t know call the clinic myself. As some places it’s agggges and I did agree with DH we won’t wait forever and a day and go private for a scan and Hycosy for me to rule issues with me out.

DH didn’t want to keep going and have a gap much more than age 5. So feel time is of the essence and I don’t have much of it!!

My bloods for ovulation came back normal too. Receptionist called me and said they were normal and booked me to speak to Docter but that’s not until next Friday. Only he can give me figures and details next steps for referall. But she said “normal” so presume that means it was above what it needed to be to confirm I ovulated.

Awaiting call for DPs results. But presume he will be same. Receptionist will book him in with dr so imagine might still be like 2 week wait for me to find those out as receptionist won’t give out details. Prob only state if normal or not. But not sure I trust receptionists 😂

@OK92 yes deff give it a whirl. Can’t see it can hurt.

Well think I’m out this month. Tested and got BFN 12dpo. Fucking sucks. WHY isn’t it working. 😩 Now onto cycle 11.

Armed with knowing where the fertilily needs to sit though gonna give that a good go for next couple cycles.
I’ve also ordered something called two plus fertility. It’s fairly new in U.K. and only available here and Singapore. Does a similar job but you actually wear it during sex and a soft flap allows the penis to slide in and out past it but after ejaculation it stops any backflip of semen at all. Hence it all stays where it needs to be maximising chances again.
So I might alternate then with sex sessions with that snd fertility and see if that fucking works!! Determined something has to work!!

Quite a good read that sight though as rather the myth of it only takes 1 sperm. Actual details you need hundreds of sperm to reach the egg as it required hundreds to break down the barrier to allow one to enter. Which I never knew!
And also that for hundreds of sperm to reach the egg you need 2 million sperm to enter the cervix. And how a count of about 100m guarantees 2 million can enter the cervix as the rest die in the vagina. I mean! Man why does no one tell us this shit.

Natural conception is hard! Unless you have super sperm basically lol. Which I think maybe none of us have..oh the joys 🤦🏻‍♀️

Anyway 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ Let’s see what this brings.

@FlyOnTheWall89 info for you above tag you so you are notified. I might join your 9 month plus group to get more info of all these further tests and what I should expect as we go into fertility testing stage.

@FlyOnTheWall89 haha I know right. God I’d be fuming 😂😂

I mean the one time I used it this cycle I faffed about so much when I took it out it didn’t have nowhere near as much sperm in as normal. About only 1/3 so think that was maybe a wasted go ha.

But I’m quite hopefully to have a proper go next few months.

Honestly it had to go waaaay higher in me than I thought. It was sat more like moon up area. Which isn’t going to do anything.

The idea is when it’s in the “right place” the cervix is dipped into the pool of sperm. So you like collect it all with the sides of the cup as you push it in so majority of the sample is right there and the cervix opening is sat in it like a pool on holiday 😂 like dipping your toes in haha.

I mean it makes logical sense right. If swimmers having a hard time or count bit lower. It’s giving that a helping hand.

Deff get one and give it a try maybe… Anything is worse a shot right. And the reviews on boots are good. Take a look xx

@Teachermummy83 sorry to hear about AF. Hope she gets the message one of these days.

@OK92 @FlyOnTheWall89

Have any of you thought of trying the ferti Lily cup? Think one of you had maybe mentioned it before.
I got it a few months back and used for 2 cycles but nothing happened. This cycle I didn’t use it other than once on day of ovulation as our sex position meant to the soerm didn’t deposit deep (way tmi) 😂🙈 so I wanted to give them helping hand.

Anyway when I put it in I turned up and out my legs up the wall where the headboard is as I haven’t tried that either. And when I did and i oh BV have my pelvis tilted more the ferti Lily popped and went further up. And when I checked it was much higher and angled further back and totally covering my cervix. Whereas usually it was much lower…so realised I’d been wearing it totally wrong! Hadn’t even been in the right place near my cervix 🤦🏻‍♀️😂

Ugh. When I took it out there wasn’t much semen in it I think due to the position. But I’m armed with new info with where it needs to go.

So I’m not even out for next month but hopefully for next few months I can try this and get it in right position now I’ve realised.

I know even with sperm issues may seem unlikely. Makes more sense though as if less swimmer to have a chance you need as many up there near that cervix in the fertile mucus.

Soooo I can’t give a proper review on it as I was wearing it faaarrr too low. We shall see if it makes any difference next month.

Can’t imagine the one time I wore it correct this month would of worked as I missed most the sperm I think 😂

@FlyOnTheWall89 yep..why isn’t it that simple. When we agreed to try for a second I honestly thought omg were actually doing it. We’re going to have a second baby. As I’d spent so long wishing we could when we couldn’t.

And now..I just don’t know if we are 🤷🏻‍♀️ It’s a horrible feeling the uncertainty. I deff didn’t think I’d be here nearly 10 months later questioning if we can even make it reality.

Anxiously waiting the SA. As if it isn’t within normal. I’m not sure where we go from here because we have a DC.
Does nhs investigate other reasons for me or suggest ivf and then we pay etc.

But like you say you need to try improve sperm and try for longer rly and things do happen for ppl in not ideal circumstances. But it feels an age doesn’t it.

Altho not sure how else I could improve DH sperm. He’s been taking “fertil aid” for men for 4 months. An then you can add on count boost and motility boost as extra bottles once you know a designated issue. He’s also been taking high dose vitamin C for 7 weeks and higher dose vitamin B12 as those were the main high vitamins in the count boost and motility boost so I got those to do for now as it was much cheaper than paying for the set bottles as I don’t even know if it’s an issue.

So I’d SAY I’d bad…we’ll how much more can I add LOL.

I’m not sure DHs sample seemed like loads. Think he might of been affected by the non sexual act of doing it and having to rush to get it there. So hoping that doesn’t affect things as I know from my fertility how big his sample normally is 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🙈😂

God the things we talk about honestly. But worried they will make his count lower overall obv. But again it’s just a snapshot isn’t it, you get bad samples and semen changes.

Hate the waiting!

Off for my bloods for progesterone and swab today. Then there ticked off too xx

@FlyOnTheWall89 wow £66 that is expensive. But like you said. Worth if it if makes a difference and continues to allow for natural conception.

Yeh I think ivf more feels intense. And obv all the injections etc can freak ppl. If it’s any consolation I had to inject myself everyday in pregnancy with bloody thinners from my third trimester until 6 weeks after birth. So all in all I injected for about 5 months. Once you’ve done it for a week or so etc. it’s becomes the norm. I’d have no issues now injecting myself because I had to get so used to it. But it felt like a massive hurdle at the time.

Xxx