Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

@choccrumpet oh really? That's interesting!
@Slk3558 here's hoping for the bfp!
Just check the nutritional info on the soy to make sure it has a good amount in it, mine were 80mg per tablet

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 sorry I completely forgot 🤦🏼‍♀️ enjoy your break!

@Slk3558 one thing I'm not sure about is when it says soy isoflavones 40%, does that mean you'll have to take more to make up a dose or is that normal? I don't know much about this, maybe someone else might be able to help you out? Otherwise they look similar to the ones I had.

Thanks for sharing that! I'd say I roll on about 2-3 drops in total at most so I get nowhere near what a cream might contain so I'm not too worried about that. That might be why it says it can be used anytime as it's so diluted? Either way I'm not sure if I'll use it before ovulation, will decide when (if) I get there. Will keep it up for now 🤗

@choccrumpet I just found this on some random website

‘ Well, Progessence Plus® has less than 15 mg per ml of progesterone (about 14.2 or so – just about the max allowed by the FDA) but the secret is in the quality of the progesterone we used. One milliliter (ml) has about 30 drops total in it and so one drop has about 0.5-1.0 mg of progesterone.’

So about 15 mg progesterone per ml/30 drops .. my cream is 20mg per squirt so I’m not sure really..depends how many drops per day you apply. You could always increase the dosage after ov. If they’re saying can be used any time should be ok but progesterone not meant to be used before ov as can interfere if I’m not mistaken x

I’ve just found these on Amazon.. would these be the right ones to take ?

SOYA Isoflavones 40mg 60 Capsules (V) . GMO Free, Non-Irradiated. Made by Health4All www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00M9MQZWE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_54PRTSS3SJMHVSHKBA8Y?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Hi @choccrumpet @Marvellouslymadmum and @Slk3558 hope you're all well. I'm good thanks, I'm away atm, we're on a little uk holiday. @Slk3558 💯 order soy last month (if you even need to) Amazon does next day delivery !

This is what I keep seeing about progessence so it is a bit confusing whether it's safe to use throughout the cycle or not

@Slk3558 thanks for letting me know, I'll keep that in mind for next month (or hopefully not) and won't use it before ovulation. I couldn't find anything about that online myself.

I feel you there, one month you're terrified to try something new and the next you're doing it all because of desperation (at least that's how I feel sometimes).

I feel the same! Everything has been going well for me this month so far, in my head I don't see why I wouldn't get a bfp but realised today that I need to keep my expectations in check so it doesn't hurt more if it doesn't happen.. I feel so much better mentally this cycle it's hard not to get excited and it's the first time I feel some excitement at the prospect of getting a bfp in a long time, it's so hard to stay neutral isn't it?
🤞🏼 for you!!

Still haven’t ordered the soy ... pinning my hopes on a BFP which I know I really shouldn’t do cause it only leads to disappointment !!

I’ll be sure to update in a few days time, I’d love to have a 12 day luteal phase ..or a BFP 😜

@choccrumpet I did check the ingredients in that oil and it does contain natural progesterone so would say if it contains progesterone even a little bit, best to avoid before ov and take in luteal phase. But since you are past ovulation you can plaster it on. Lol 😆

The progesterone cream has 20mg of natural progesterone for each time you squeeze a measured pump out and they reckon 40-80 mg a day is good support for the endometrium lining. I think there are a lot of people who are skeptical about it, I was scared to use it last month but I was willing to try anything this month. x

@Marvellouslymadmum I read the same about creams! In terms of the progessence it seems to be different (someone tell me if I'm wrong). It's got multiple benefits for women and can be used not just during ttc so can be used at anytime in the cycle.

Oh no I bet that adds to the confusion 🙈

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 how are you doing today?

@choccrumpet I read that for fertility progesterone creams/serums should be used from ovulation to af or beyond with the bfp!

It didn't effect my cycle with the first one so annoying that it's done so much this time! My apps are all over the place, one tells me I'm due af tomorrow one says Ov on 19th may one says I'm 4dpo and the other hasn't got a bloody clue a bit like me 😂

@Marvellouslymadmum it sounds like it could be due to it unfortunately. That is frustrating. I'll probably be called to get mine soon and I will get it but it is tricky if it affects your cycle, I guess I'll have to be prepared for that mentally.

@Slk3558 well done 🤗 it'll be better for you mentally. Yes I started using it as soon as I got it yesterday 🤣 it seems you can use it at anytime in your cycle, or at least I couldn't find info to say you couldn't or shouldn't. So I've been putting it on twice a day on wrists, neck, below my ankles and sometimes inner thighs and tummy. I put a roll on attachment onto it so I don't think it gets out as much as a few drops would hence why I'm putting it on lots of places. Can't say I feel any difference at this point but I kind of like the whole ritual of putting it on 😅

It's great that the cream is helping you! I did research it a bit before but never committed to one, wasn't sure if they were good or worth it or safe to use.

@choccrumpet yes it could be down to the vaccine, I had it on day 15 right around when ovulation was due so when it was delayed the first time I thought maybe the second time but still no as far as I can tell. I've had two low peaks but no temp increase so 🤷🏼‍♀️ I will report it on there once I know what's going on

@Slk3558 that is interesting, 🤞🏻 it's doing something for you!

@Marvellouslymadmum thanks I resisted the urge to temp this morning. 36.2 is normally what I get when I am very close to ov like day of lH surge. Am 7DPO and boobs pain is gone now! It disappeared yesterday. I’m happy I think the progesterone cream is doing something. I’ll be interested to see how long my leutal phase is this cycle.

@choccrumpet are you starting the progessence this cycle ?

Saw someone report their cycle changes after the vaccine here if you're interested in that sort of thing @Marvellouslymadmum yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

@Marvellouslymadmum that is so frustrating! You must be exhausted, well done for keeping it up for so long!
I read on another thread that some women who got the vaccine had a weird cycle (whether it's coincidence or not) either no ovulation or late periods so it could be to do with your vaccine.. when did you get it in your last cycle? I know you stopped pregnacare too but it seems the most likely reason, or just a randomly off cycle

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 hope you have a lovely time away, so glad the tests are getting darker for you too!

@choccrumpet oh that's a good offer I'll have to check that! Glad you got your peak my ovulation is still Mia 🤦🏼‍♀️

@Slk3558 that's a good temp, mine are usually 36.5/6 in Lp it is currently 36.19 and I've eno clue what's going on

Annoyingly we have managed every other day at a minimum for the last two weeks but probably for absolutely no reason whatsoever

@Slk3558 you're right it is an annoying DPO time but you're almost there, you'll have an answer soon enough 🤞🏼 I should be 1dpo today yay

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 thanks .. I’ll try and be more positive 😂 and yes @choccrumpet I think I need to put it away to stop myself ! No temping tomorrow.

I’m 6 DPO today annoying DPO as too early to test and symptoms mean nothing at this point lol.

@choccrumpet no I didn't but excited to hear how it goes this cycle with it!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 that's exactly what we did! I've never been much of a drinker so this finishing early business suits me well 😆 I just got my progessence delivered, unsure about the smell but excited to use it. Did you end up ordering one?

@Slk3558 I'd count that as a high temperature! 36.72 is meant to show a decent level of progesterone. I know it's different person to person though. Ah no re the socialising I felt like this last weekend also, and I seem to have got very old over the space of a year, because pubs and people all talking loudly over each other is deafening 😂

@choccrumpet that gives you a nice evening to chill and watch a film! Did the same on Sunday, were with people it normally goes on until the sun is rising, we all left by 11 😂

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 yep everyone left at a decent time yesterday and normally our bbqs would go well into the night but I was exhausted by 7pm! Definitely feeling tired after a small amount of socialising.

@Slk3558 I think this cycle I've been the most relaxed compared to previous ones! I don't like the waiting so that probably puts me over the edge over anything else but I was chill about it this time.
Maybe you should put your thermometer away from your bed if that's where you temp, so you can't even do it first thing?
At least with the LP we have an idea of when it'll come to an end. Waiting for ovulation is a complete mystery to me, who knows when it will happen 😂