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Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

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moly39x · 21/03/2021 23:33

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

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choccrumpet · 04/06/2021 12:51

@Slk3558 I completely understand how you feel, I think I'd feel the same sadly. And I did the exact same as you mention before my past losses @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 checking every time I think I feel something leaking, and it's actually really sad and hurts my heart to think about. I'm really rooting for you ladies 💕

I'm 3dpo feeling fine, nothing to report. My tummy has been all over the place past 3 days though, sorry if this is tmi for anyone 🙈 I keep needing to go for a number 2 multiple times a day, especially in the morning. I'm on week 6 of doing couch to 5k and this has never been an issue but the past 2 runs I've been desperate to use the toilet halfway through the run, this morning was so bad I had to go home. I'm thinking it's either my IBS (but it has never been this bad) or this seems to be a thing that runners get which could be it but I don't know, or it's something else completely. My diet hasn't changed, nothing has changed. It's so frustrating 😅 also feeling impatient to test but that's normal

Slk3558 · 04/06/2021 11:57

@choccrumpet @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 thanks, it’s so scary when you’ve had multiple losses I have no idea how I’m going to get through these next few weeks if I (god willing) even get there !!! Im going to call the EPU and ask for medical progesterone because I really cannot go through another loss

How are you both today?

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 04/06/2021 10:09

@Slk3558 congratulations!!! That's a good line for so early as well! Completely understand the anxiety (I'm still checking every time I go to the loo and panicking over cramps or boobs aching less) but you've got a decent early line and the progesterone this time also. Great news

Slk3558 · 04/06/2021 09:25

I’m absolutely terrified, so many things running through my mind. This is 3rd BFP after 2 mc like @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 don’t wanna get my hopes up, I’ve never had a positive at 8 dpo before.

Things I added on this month

40mg progesterone cream daily
150 mg baby asprin
800iu vitamin E
2000 mg fish oil (omega 3)

Would deffo recommend the cream for all those who suspect low progesterone/short luteal phase .. I kept thinking if I can just get enough extra progesterone so the egg can implant to produce HCG so I can rescue the corpus luteum from dying. Crazy I know but I think there might be some logic in there ...

choccrumpet · 04/06/2021 09:12

@Slk3558 congratulations!!! I'm enjoying the positives we've got going in this thread ☺️ how are you feeling?

Slk3558 · 04/06/2021 09:02

I was gobsmacked and couldn’t believe my eyes

Slk3558 · 04/06/2021 09:01

Good morning everyone. Well I used my left over FRER yesterday at lunch time as I was peeing a lot more than usual despite not drinking much.

Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?
Marvellouslymadmum · 03/06/2021 20:09

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 ahh sounds like fun! All good though to get that end result

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 03/06/2021 18:01

@Slk3558 actually do you know what, it was lunchtime 😂 I honestly don't even normally test, just watch the temps and wait. As @choccrumpet knows!

@Marvellouslymadmum oh blimey i didn't even think of the maca. Good thanks, been hiking today. Been a bit constipated which has made me very nauseous too 😳 nothing glam over here

Marvellouslymadmum · 03/06/2021 17:52

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 you never know! Though I've found out today it could be the maca that's delayed ov this month, apparently it can do that especially on the first cycle then it works itself out after a bit but means it must be doing something anyway!! How are you feeling?
@Slk3558 good luck if you decide to test!!

choccrumpet · 03/06/2021 17:21

Omg @Slk3558 😂 I'm so glad I'm not the only one lol. I'm 2pdo and can't stop thinking about it and counting down until i can start testing. I think I've got an addiction. I enjoy peeing on a stick too much. I'd say AM for sure 😂😂 I need my hands tied up and all tests taken away

Slk3558 · 03/06/2021 14:59

Was that 8 DPO AM or PM ? 😜

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 03/06/2021 14:12

@Slk3558 maybe a little test tomorrow then. Mine was an extremely light faint line st 8dpo on a frer

Slk3558 · 03/06/2021 14:03

@katewitch I haven’t temped for a couple of days but I suppose I could temp 10 DPO to see if any temp drop. I don’t know I think I just wanna see a line so badly . 🙄

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 03/06/2021 13:58

@katewitch thanks so much. Sorry for another long cycle 😐 have you had hormone tests at the Drs just to check?

@Marvellouslymadmum now you've sorted the iron, the vaccine, the vitamins and partners smoking and vitamins it's looking positive. 🤞 very soon!

@Slk3558 are you wanting to hold off testing til you watch your temps?

Slk3558 · 03/06/2021 13:45

Oh girls I’m having one of those days ..only 8 DPO and itching to test. 😩

gimmeavino · 03/06/2021 09:54

@Marvellouslymadmum @choccrumpet thank you both! Maybe it's just that it's something new and will hopefully ease in the next day or two

Marvellouslymadmum · 03/06/2021 09:23

@katewitch I have to, I'm 42 now and if we don't get our bfp soon I fear it'll be too late for us. You never know it could be ib I've seen lots of people say their first sign of a bfp is cold like symptoms!

@gimmeavino I haven't had pelvic bloating really mines all lower abdomen so I can't help I'm afraid

choccrumpet · 03/06/2021 09:20

@Riverskye a break sounds just right, I don't blame you, that's a super long cycle!

@gimmeavino I didn't get that myself but it might be the soy especially as it's happening whilst you're taking it. Hopefully it works for you 🤞🏼

@katewitch it is a rollercoaster, every cycle is up and down constantly! My first soy cycle pushed my ovulation out further and I had a longer cycle, although not as long as yours. My second soy cycle (current one) has been much better. Completely up to you whether you try it again or not. I'll be stopping it after this one anyways due to blood tests but also don't want to keep relying on it, interested to see what my body does on it's own.
I wonder if you missed your peak when you weren't testing? And you never know, dtd that one time might do the trick but I know what you mean, I knew in my last cycle it wasn't going to happen! Sounds like you'll get an answer any day now either way

katewitch · 03/06/2021 09:08

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 oh wow, congratulations! I got my BFP with DS that early (he is now 6) so please don't worry too much, I am so happy for you! Hope you're enjoying your break Flowers

@Marvellouslymadmum you're really throwing everything at it, I'm in awesome of you honestly! Hopefully it will all pay off soon

@Riverskye enjoy your time relaxing, a mental break is definitely needed sometimes Wine

@Slk3558 my soy said 5000mg(!) but on the back their actual soy isoflavone content was 45mg so I need to take loads of them for a proper dose for TTC, so definitely try to get ones with a higher actual content so you don't rattle like me Grin good luck, hoping you get your BFP!

@choccrumpet you're completely right, I veer wildly between Throwing Everything At It Optimism and Total Despair Refusing to Think About It Because It Will Never Happen... looking forward to another rollercoater of that this cycle Hmm Grin

Sorry if I missed anyone or muddles anything up!

I'm on CD43 and have pink spotting and mild cramps as I normally do pre-AF. I reckon it means I'm around 12dpo so we did actually manage to DTD once in the fertile window, but I'm confident that that's not done the trick, I'vebeen super unwell this past week too with a horrible cold... minimal hope of implantation bleeding here!

It means I ovulated around CD 29/30/31 in line with a medium to high OPK (not peak) on CD29 which was my last IC and by the time more arrived they were gone again!

I cannot decide whether to do soy again next cycle, as it may or may not be that which caused this delay (I have had cycles this long occasionally before). I just don't know what to do for the best!

gimmeavino · 03/06/2021 09:05

Hi all, just checking in as in CD6 and done my day 2-6 now....one thing I've noticed is that I'm very bloated but it's like pelvic bloating rather than in my stomach - don't usually get that with AF so wondering if it's a soy thing. Either way looking forward to seeing if it works!

Marvellouslymadmum · 02/06/2021 23:16

@Riverskye that's good it's finally over! Sometimes we all need a break

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 02/06/2021 23:06

@Riverskye thank you so much, I'm getting pretty dark tests, but still just waiting to see as tested so early.
Ugh that's frustrating, that's so long to have to wait. Do you have the Dr follow up again soon? That sounds like a good plan, you need a rest after that mammoth month of trying

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 02/06/2021 23:05

Thanks @choccrumpet !

Riverskye · 02/06/2021 23:03

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 huge congratulations on getting your line! That's so exciting. Hope it keeps getting darker for you Smile

My cycle finally ended today on day 98, not using soy this cycle... DH and I have decided to take a break and have some "us" time for a cycle without tracking/actively TTC.

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