Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

@Marvellouslymadmum exactly, I like that analogy, advisories only on the MOT. Yeah I reckon treats are def fine! We all need treats, some wine, some cake, some yummy food etc 😁 x

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I don't know that I'll ever really have a divinities answer as to if it's causing issues or not as there are so many different ways it can cause problems so I just have to have hope, trust and a little pixie dust (if anyone has any going?) that something good will come if all this, I mean the positive is I've so far had every blood going and all my bits have had a thorough going over and I've only got advisories on my mot no failure lol
That's what I'm hoping with the fishy oils that they'll be enough, I'll eat all the veggies even the ones I don't like at this stage I'm giving it all a go I just don't think I can bring myself to eat the fishes 🐠 I'll have a look at the zita west one thank you.

Thank you! I'll take some notes down to add to my evenings research - it's the treats that are going to get me! But I'm guessing it's ok to have something every now and then

@choccrumpet thank you, I'm a very positive person in general but obviously things do get to me, all I can think now is I have to keep going with this I just can't bring myself to give up

@Marvellouslymadmum it's absolutely healthy to have down days and cry about it, you're only human and you need to get it out of you system every now and again. Getting back up is the hardest part and you keep doing it. You should be really proud of yourself ❤️

@Marvellouslymadmum sorry for spamming you, I saw nutritionists for an anti-inflammatory diet when I had my h-pylori and was really really poorly with it. I'm trying to remember all the info.

The general gist was and lots of greens - at least ten portions of veg or fruit a day for the antioxidants. Eat nuts seeds avocados extra virgin olive oil every day. Eat plenty of organic eggs, preferably pastured. Eat grass fed butter. Take cod liver oil. Eat a lot of onions and garlic and lots of herbs in your cooking (especially turmeric). Eat pulses like beans and chickpeas and lentils, and eat whole grains and sweet potatoes and pumpkin for carbs. Cut out all refined sugar- but eat dark chocolate and cacao for antioxidants (the cake recipes were made out of cacao and dates or avocado). Eat kefir yoghurt for good digestive function so you can absorb the nutrients you're taking - a lot of people can fail at proper absorption.

When I eat purely like this I feel really good, but it's hard to stick to no treats no wine etc !

@Marvellouslymadmum I think anyone would have a little cry. I'm just so sorry you feel so bad and are left in limbo for another 2-3 months without info. Especially when it might not even be a cause for anything for you xx

I think if you take the cod liver oil you don't actually need to eat seafood, especially if you eat nuts seeds avocados and extra virgin olive oil etc. Plus kefir, organic natural yoghurt etc. It's not as bad for me as you, as I still eat fish a handful of times a year, whereas I know you've been properly veggie for years so I bet you feel a bit 😳 at the prospect of changing that. The Zita West DHA is not remotely fishy smelling or tasting, and it's a little green capsule rather than a big oily yellow pill so I've found that easy to take. My first cod liver oil experience was not at all enjoyable, it left a gross aftertaste 🤢

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 how have you found substituting the fish for a veggie option? I just don't know where to start but doing a shop tomorrow so hoping to stock up on things then. I'm not sure I could even manage prawns anymore to be honest 🤢 it's been so long now even the texture creeps me out! @choccrumpet thank you, I don't always feel this way and have my down days, had a little cry this morning, but I'm a pretty determined person when I set my mind to things. @Slk3558 thank you all, it's really helpful having you ladies to chat to! ❤️

@Slk3558 I know exactly what you mean, it is hard to stop and to overthink everything. Easier said than done 100%. Take it day by day, you've got this xx

@choccrumpet you’re so right and I know it, there isn’t anything I can do to control the outcome except wait and see. The problem is we test for reassurance and then if get a good line then great but if it doesn’t give us the outcome we expect it just leads to second guessing and panicking! I really wish I could stop and just let go.

Thanks @Marvellouslymadmum sending you all the best wishes and hope you get it resolved asap @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 you made me feel so much better sharing your progression, ours our the same on 12 DPO. I’ve had no more spotting. I think it’s just that fear of it all going wrong like before, I’m constantly knicker checking too!

@Marvellouslymadmum as per @choccrumpet sending so much positivity your way too. So impressed, you're brilliant

@Marvellouslymadmum honestly you've been amazing, your determination is admirable. Wishing so much positivity your way 🤞🏼

@Slk3558 I agree with the others, that does look like a good progression. It might be a good idea to stop testing soon.. I know easier said than done especially coming from me. You're unlikely to be able to control the outcome so don't put any more pressure on yourself by testing if that's making you overthink and upset. You're doing good so far, don't forget that x
It's definitely too early to see much of anything but yes I have been 🤣 not getting my hopes up though, trying to stay neutral.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 your tests look great!

@Marvellouslymadmum sounds like you're really going for it! Those sound like great changes, and also enjoyable with the nice weather! It also might not be anything to do with your diagnosis at all, have you got your SA back?

I do the veggie Mediterranean diet, but take the Zita West Vital DHA also. You're only meant to eat fish no more than 2x a week for fertility anyway according to my app, but I just have lots of beans, olive oils and other fats, avocados, chickpeas, nuts, seeds, whole grains etc. The fertility recipes I get sent from Flo are often veggie also and based on the above foods. I do eat fish rarely, but weirdly find eating prawns or scallops less bad, maybe because they're smaller 🙈😂 I don't know! Could maybe start there if you did want to introduce some once a week etc.

Also you're right, August will be around before you know it!

If you do take Berberine, should mention, it's not safe for pregnancy so don't take it all cycle

@Slk3558 that looks like a good progression line to me! unfortunately there's not really many treatments to help adenomyosis only the coil/pill which or injections which bring on a temporary menopause as far as I know so far. Apparently it only effects some people for fertility rather than all but I'm hoping there's something they can do to help that part at least as I think it's probably not helping me considering we've been ttc for 3 years. I'm certainly not giving up though, I've joined the gym recently and going to start some classes there this week as well as long walks with the dogs which is all good for it, going to try the Mediterranean diet adapted for a veggie if I can as that's good for taking inflammation away just means we've got to try harder than we already are!
@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I was ok with my august appointment as originally it was supposed to be November but now I can't wait for it!! Thank you I'll look into those, my partner said maybe I should try eating fish on the Mediterranean diet as it's so good but I've been veggie for so long I don't think I could! I'll take the oil suppliments if it helps though for ttc then stop again if we ever get there!

@choccrumpet hopefully it's definitely a good sign for you!
Thank you ladies I'm certainly nit ready to give up yet, if anything it's given me a kick to take more action xx

@Slk3558 I can see clear progression there! That looks like a good 12 dpo line. Look here's mine from 9dpo to 13 dpo. It wasn't until14 dpo that I got a line darker then the control. And many of the women on the similar due date to me group have lines paler. I know it's hard not to worry, but that's a good line.

@choccrumpet sounds very interesting!

@choccrumpet sound like good signs to me. You gonna test early?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 this is definitely the most nervous I’ve been .. Wish I could be more positive but can’t help but expect the worse

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 no news, not been feeling great not sure what it is. A bit nauseous today, very mild cramping now and again and feel tired right now like I could do with a nap. It's hard to know whether I'm making it up in my head or I'm really feeling this way 😆

How have you been?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I had a little moment before. I’m panicking now and scared my line is not progressing from 10 DPO to 12 DPO. I was expected it to be as dark as the control line because the 10 dpo was so strong . I’m so worried ☹️

@choccrumpet how're you feeling after the spotting? Any more news?

@Slk3558 any progress on your tests?

@Marvellouslymadmum I echo what everyone else is saying! You've remained hopeful for this long, don't let this change that. Knowledge is power and hopefully now you will get the right assistance that you need. ❤️

@Slk3558 I've never spotted before my period due date so it's extremely unusual for me. I've been feeling mild crampiness on and off for a few days but it comes and goes. Still a long way to go until my period is due.

I've been invited to get the vaccine on Wednesday, was too excited to receive the text but am also preparing for my cycles to be a bit messed up afterwards going by some others experiences.

Hope you're both doing well @Slk3558 @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7

@Marvellouslymadmum I'm so sorry. Agreeing with @Slk3558 there will definitely be things they can do, Aug seems so far away for a gynaecologist however 😢

I know this won't work as well as proper treatment, but having had a look there have been some promising recent studies on immunology and endometriosis, such as taking Berberine, resversatrol, NAC and fish oils. And bio-identical progesterone, which can reduce size and number of lesions.

Please don't lose hope. It's shitty of them to tell you with no quick access to a specialist. That's only going to leave you worrying and thinking the worst.

Lots of love xx

@Marvellouslymadmum I’m sorry that you got that news, once you get referred to gyno specialist there’s all kinds of treatment they can do to manage it. I read about a woman who got put on meds for it and got her eggs frozen and then went under IVF once it was under control, she was early 40s.

Anything is possible these days, don’t give up hope xx

@choccrumpet I hope your random bleeding on 5dpo was a good sign. It is unusual to get spotting that early on, if it’s stopped now I’d say that’s a good sign !?

Let us know how you go x

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 hope you getting on okay!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 @choccrumpet thank you, this was diagnosed through the gp sending me for a scan, I haven't even got to gynaecology yet! I have an appointment in august so hopefully they'll send me for a lap then but tbh it can still cause infertility in so many ways and it's all just a nightmare, I'm going from 'well it could still happen' to 'that's it this will never happen for us I may as well give up now!' At the moment. Unfortunately there's no treatment for adenomyosis other than having a hysterectomy which I won't be doing just yet! So all I can hope is that by getting any endometriosis removed and taking down inflammation in my body which is a major problem with it I may just have a chance!

I'm sorry @Marvellouslymadmum I hope you're okay. Hopefully you can get the right treatment that will help. Take care of yourself 💕

@Marvellouslymadmum I'm so sorry about your tests. Hopefully they can now give you a laparoscopy or a hysteroscopy and that'll make all the difference. Do you have a follow up consult soon? So annoying that you have suspected this and been trying for a long while, and the Drs have only just got to this point.

Hope you're okay xxx