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Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

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moly39x · 21/03/2021 23:33

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

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A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 09/06/2021 12:24

@hopingforababyh wow 11 weeks, how times flown by! That's brilliant, good luck for your scan! Completely understand the anxiety, hope you're okay

hopingforababyh · 09/06/2021 12:18

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 it does!! But so happy to see another BFP! I'm doing okay, 11 weeks today and having my 4th private scan this evening because I am SO anxious all the time but hoping we still have a sticky baby! I also did a test every day until 6 weeks ( maybe twice a day - AM & PM) all FRER 💸 but anything to keep my worries down & really enjoyed seeing the line darken to the dye stealer!

Keeping my fingers crossed for you (and everyone else!!!)🤞🏻

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 09/06/2021 12:13

@Slk3558 technically still soy 😂

Slk3558 · 09/06/2021 12:02

Funny how this thread went from soy isoflavones to veggie recipes 🤣

@Marvellouslymadmum hopefully this will be the last peak, it’s good you’ve a good dye stealer opk! Hope you get that temp rise xx

@choccrumpet 😂 I know that feeling of impatience, really hope your symptoms are pg related !

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 09/06/2021 11:55

Omg @Marvellouslymadmum the fourth ovulation attempt! Wow I'd imagine you're okay for exercise this month 😆 I really hope this is the one. Must be exhausted.

I need to branch out with my meat substitutes, I mostly don't use them. Will def try the bacon, I love carbonara!

Falafels are really delicious, but the supermarket ones can be hit and miss. Love a falafel wrap with humus and all the sides

Marvellouslymadmum · 09/06/2021 11:41

@choccrumpet I really like the Tesco veggie burgers too, for sausages it's Linda McCartney or quorn I think, I found the coating on the Richmond ones a bit weird haha that's percent that it's pieces anyway for the bacon as I was never a big bacon fav anyway just like it cooked into things! I'm exhausted with the peak opk's but hey ho carrying on!

choccrumpet · 09/06/2021 11:19

@Marvellouslymadmum I really like that bacon I mentioned. I have it on avocado and toast, with pancakes and syrup, throw some into a veggie carbonara. I freeze mine so am not forced to use it all up quickly. It's more like bacon bits than pieces of bacon but I love it. Also falafel - you should definitely try a few different ones! We normally have it with some quinoa and veggies and sweet chilli sauce, definitely shop around and try a few.

And yeah the lines aren't really there so am not counting them just yet, we'll see in the next few days.

Attempt number 4 is insane!! Sending you all the ovulation & higher temp vibes, let this be the one!!

choccrumpet · 09/06/2021 11:12

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I really like the Naked Glory sausages and burger wise I actually find most even cheaper own branded ones nice, like the Tesco ones. Also Birds Eye Swedish style meatballs are lovely, I really like them.

@Slk3558 I'll leave the frer until/if I start seeing darker lines on the cheaper ones I think, or else try maybe in 2 days or so. Or if I get itchy I might do one tomorrow morning 😂

I've been having some mild odd cramps around the lower stomach area and if I get up or move suddenly there's like a pulling pain. Trying to ignore it and not overthink!

Marvellouslymadmum · 09/06/2021 11:12

@choccrumpet I'll have a look for that thank you! I gave up on finding a decent veggie bacon a long time ago lol
I always feel like the camera doesn't pick up the lines like you can see them in person so hopefully you'll just get darker lines over the next few days!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 all my 'knowledge' just comes from my experiences, google and Mumsnet 😂 if it were an ectopic I believe you usually get pain in the shoulder and sharp pains in the abdomen, but they should be able to pick it up on the screen if it's an ectopic anyway

@Slk3558 I've only ever tried falafel once and it was not nice! Will have to try a different kind or make it maybe and see if that makes it better lol

So for me it's ovulation attempt no 4! Bigger dye stealer opk today so I'm hoping this will finally be it! Will dtd again today and maybe tomorrow and hope for the temp shift 🙄

Slk3558 · 09/06/2021 11:11

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I don’t know, I might do one in the afternoon after a 4 hour hold. I know line progression doesn’t guarantee anything I had great progression with my last and still miscarried at 6 weeks. But I just want to reassurance that it’s doubling as should etc…

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 09/06/2021 09:42

@Slk3558 do you think you will do one? I get it, hate doing them in case there's no progression, but figure may as well rip the band aid off. Good luck xx

Yeah I'm good thanks, on a boring conference call atm....

Slk3558 · 09/06/2021 09:34

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I’m doing okay. I’m itching to do another frer to check progression 🙈 how do you feel today

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 09/06/2021 09:30

@hopingforababyh the thread has been moving quickly right, we chat a lot, I've found it so supportive!

It is but not sure if it'll be working out yet, have another scan tomorrow. How're you?!

hopingforababyh · 09/06/2021 09:26

Aw @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 is that a positive test I've just seen?🙊 I've been trying reading as you've all been going along!

Slk3558 · 09/06/2021 09:22

@choccrumpet 8 dpo is still so early, I’d never got a positive on 8dpo prior to this, when will you test with a FRER ? Lol . I feel like I can see shadows on the two middle ones.

This thigh pain is so annoying .. it’s like pulsing in the thighs every 5 mins. It’s weird.

@Marvellouslymadmum falafel is a good one for a veggie Mediterranean diet. I love falafel!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 09/06/2021 09:16

@Marvellouslymadmum thank you, I know you're so knowledgable! I'm just a bit worried if it is ectopic. My friend had a ruptured tube and it just sounded so awful.
Quorn gives me really bad stomach, but I love Couldron sausages and Beyond Meat burgers. Although beyond meat are expensive! Also the Richmond veggie sausages 😋

Thanks @choccrumpet I'll check out that bacon! I cannot ever tell with the one step tests - take a frer!!

@Slk3558 hope you're doing okay!

choccrumpet · 09/06/2021 08:46

@Slk3558 I've also heard about cramps like that to do with pregnancy! I think it's because your uterus is stretching and you can get cramps in your thighs because they're all somewhat connected

choccrumpet · 09/06/2021 08:35

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I'm sticking to cheapies for now but it does add up. Haha I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's addictive!

@Marvellouslymadmum I used to really like having bacon on pancakes so I found a vegan bacon that I love, Vivera veggie bacon pieces, i think it's got the best salty taste and texture is good. I tried so many different ones I didn't like. I'm not sure if it goes with the med diet but its not going to be bad for you so every now and again should be fine.

I tested this morning 8dpo and there's not much to see (pretend that the multiple tests is normal, I was testing them out 🤪) I feel like I'm seeing shadows on most of them but barely shadows really, the one step (2nd one from top) has the most obvious pinkish line but I can't fully trust it as they almost always tend to have a line BUT I've used it for a few times now and it does keep getting slightly darker. But I don't know, I'm scared to get my hopes up any higher than they already are so am kind of ignoring all of this until I see something more. Still feeling slightly nauseous this morning and warmer than normal. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?
Marvellouslymadmum · 08/06/2021 22:57

@Slk3558 no news is good news as they say! I'll have a look at those ones thank you.
@choccrumpet @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I like quorn, though I'm not sure if it's allowed with the Mediterranean diet 🤔 the whole family eat it when I make a spag Bol or lasagne normally too! I've found that halloumi is on there though and I love that!
@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 with the scan I know when I had one at 5+5 they could only just see a sac and said a tv ultrasound might be there only way to pick up more, and my first thought was twins as that would explain the high level but not seeing them yet lol
The shop didn't end up happening today as we had loads to do so getting it tomorrow now but they said they'll try which is good. And that's a great test you have there!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 08/06/2021 21:41

@Slk3558 I've never had it but I've read people in here have had shooting feelings down their thighs in early pregnancy. I'm not sure why, but I kept seeing that (and the delightfully named 'lightening crotch') keep popping up

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 08/06/2021 21:39

@choccrumpet I'm firmly on the dark side now 🤦‍♀️ you're right it is addictive! And expensive!

Let us know how you get on if you test tomorrow morning or the next day 🤞

Slk3558 · 08/06/2021 21:37

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 that’s a beautiful dye stealer!! I just need to get though this next week. 🥺 I forgot to say I have had some cramps today but unusual ones in my inner thighs, comes and goes..any idea what that could be ?

choccrumpet · 08/06/2021 21:19

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 you've joined the dark side!! Your line looks lovely 😍 I dream of seeing that..

Yes I hope so! I'd love to have more info 😅 don't we all. Hope your appointment goes well tomorrow and you feel better afterwards!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 08/06/2021 21:09

@Slk3558 yes I have become a testing addict. I tested this morning after he spotting to check if it was fainter and got this one. Your tests are looking great though, I think you might well get a really really strong one

@choccrumpet definitely do ask her. She might be able to tell from your pulse etc as you said she monitors that

Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?
choccrumpet · 08/06/2021 20:22

It feels never ending! @Slk3558 and mind blowing as to how so many people actually have babies 🤦🏼‍♀️ and you're right I forgot you were ahead of me by a few days, does seem so long ago that you got a positive! You're still quite early so your lines are definitely good so far!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 haha yup exactly! I did get some new cheapies and am actually trying them out 😂 acupuncture is a great idea! My next one is on Thursday, interested if she says anything about my symptoms if I don't see anything by then