Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

@choccrumpet after reading around some studies I was aiming for the Mediterranean diet as the healthiest for fertility - lots of wholegrains, multiple portions veg, a little fruit, good fats like olive and avocado, and beans chickpeas etc. But realistically, who knows 🤷‍♀️ Most studies did say cut out red meat, processed meat, fatty meat, junk food, sugar, bad fats and white carbs. Sugar is tough!

Maybe your GP could help with something now? If you explain the history.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 my partners two don't actually live with us full time, they're with their mum then come and stay with us every other weekend plus extra in school holidays. And as my two are older they pretty much do their own thing most of the time! I only have milk in tea or on granola/porridge as I'm not a fan either, I've been veggie for 26 years so conceived both the teens while I was. I just turned 42 partner just 40 but been ttc for 3 years and based in East Sussex these days, originally from London and lived in Kent most often my life.

@choccrumpet I believe being veggie is good for ttc but you have to make sure you're not lacking anything. Hoping this line does get darker for you and it's a sticky bean!

Not enjoying this game of is the line getting darker..

I actually thought veggie wasn't great for conceiving. I've never drank milk, can't stand it so although I eat pretty well, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm lacking certain things, especially since turning veggie! And I'm 28 based in Berkshire 😊

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I'm feeling better than yesterday so far but nausea is there (or it's in my head, don't know) and mild period like cramps are coming and going for a few days now. Boobs are VERY sore, not had them this sore before, they feel bruised. But I also know symptoms don't necessarily mean that I'm pregnant and if I am that it's a viable pregnancy so I'm not counting on it.. want to see a clearer line before I speak to my GP, I can't help but feel it's just going to end any day so don't want to waste time going to docs for nothing.

@Marvellouslymadmum that's a lot of kids on your hands 🤗

@Marvellouslymadmum Wow, five children 😁 that'll be a very full house! How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm 36, trying for my 1st, based in London.

Actually can't stand milk, its coconut milk all the way for me, its just cheese I'm quite partial to.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I read that a bit of full fat dairy is good for you especially milk rather than semi-skimmed as that has male hormones in it or something! I have two teenagers a girl almost 15 and boy 16 and my partner has two boys 13 & 14 but we don't have any together

@choccrumpet I can see a very faint line on the frer!!! How're you feeling?

@choccrumpet and @Marvellouslymadmum so funny to get three veggies on this thread! All I keep reading is a plant based diet is supposed to increase pregnancy chances, and we're already doing that. Maybe I need to cut out the cheese 🤣🤣

@marvellouslymadmum how many children do you have already?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 yes you can add extra, vitamin c you can't overdose on and a lot of the others you can take a lot higher apart from zinc I was told! The pomegranate juice tastes much better than I thought amd I'm enjoying my slices of fresh pineapple first thing in the morning too!

I'm a veggie too 😊

@choccrumpet I'm so rubbish at seeing the lines 🤦🏼‍♀️ I do think I can see one on the frer though!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 oh thanks for letting me know, I did not know that! I tested a year and a bit ago for b12 and I was low but not deficient, but I can tell I'm not very energetic and not sure if they're helping so need to get retested. I'll take a look at that, maybe it might help me feel a bit less meh the whole time! I'm also veggie so I can't imagine that helps.

This mornings frer. The one step was darker but still faint and hard to take a photo of

@choccrumpet if you have tested lower B12, might be worth you taking B6 also, they work together and also both have a role in preventing losses (boost progesterone and lower homocysteine). Sorry to butt in, feel free to ignore. I’m veggie so I’m careful about my B vit levels.

@Marvellouslymadmum I didn’t know you should supplement on top of the pregnant pills. I’m taking the proceive ones. Maybe I’ll top up more C and B vits also. I did drink the pomegranate juice before this time, and the pineapple juice after 😂 was actually delicious!

@choccrumpet I am Exactly the same, just set my mind to it and get what I want! This definitely doesn't work the same way unfortunately 😑

I'm taking -
Pregnacare preconception vits
B6
B complex inc b12
C
D
E
Magnesium
Folic acid
Ubiquinol
Evening primrose oil up until ovulation
Plus drinking pomegranate juice up until ovulation
Eating fresh pineapple including core in the fw up to ov day
Extra protein

And probably a few other things I've forgotten 😂

In terms of all the supplements, make sure you're all taking things that work okay with each other and no bad side effects. We can do everything 100% right and still not get pregnant. I'm taking folic acid, vit d and b12 (low ish b12 pre trying).

@Marvellouslymadmum that's exactly it - I can't accept and move on. I'm quite a determined person and if I want something I work for it and I get it. This does not work the same way!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I think I would struggle being happy for others right now tbh, I would try to but it would be hard. But saying that, if any of you got pregnant I would be really happy for you. It's a strange conundrum in my head! 🤔
I should take my own advice 🤪 I hope it works out for all of us!!

@acaciabluebell wow that's a lot, keep us posted how you go!

@choccrumpet I've got four pregnant good friends right now, and its all good, super happy for them. But I think if you have had an easy ride of it, you don't always realise others might be feeling really bad, and maybe don't take it into account. We for sure will, cos we know how much it sucks!

Good luck for the test tomorrow. Its still so early, remember only 10% of pregnancy charts had a positive test at 10 dpo. I'm hopeful all is okay for you xx

Hi @acaciabluebell I'm on soooo many suppliments now it's crazy! Plus all the extra bits and pieces too something has to work lol

@choccrumpet it's so hard isn't it? When you want something so much it's hard to accept it and move on 😔

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 that must have been SO difficult for you to go through, really insensitive and a little selfish ☹️ i don't think I'd be able to deal with any of my friends getting pregnant right now, it would be so difficult. I suppose we'll hopefully be better friends to others who do go through this as we have experienced this side of things.

I did another cheap test which showed nothing so am going to stop until the morning. It's so hard not knowing, I'm preparing for another chemical, I don't know how I'll get through it if it happens again.

Hi everyone, glad to have found this thread! I decided to try Soy Isoflavones this cycle from CD 5-9 at 120, 120, 200, 200, 200. Reason being, I don't think that I ovulate regularly as some months I get strong ovulation symptoms and some months I have none. I have low progesterone too which was shown in a day 21 blood test a few months back.

I have very minimal EWCM too so I have started taking Evening Primrose Oil 3000mg per day.

I've also started taking vitamin B6 this month to help extended my luteal phase which is only 10-11 days normally.

I already take COQ10, zinc, vitamin D and cod liver oil.

Let's hope something in this strange cocktail of supplements works!!

@ploopypleepy I've still got 3 days left of this cycle, I will update you if anything weird happens in that time still

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 that's really good. I'm going to try next cycle from 3-7.

Hi @ploopypleepy I do ovulate, its just been later on in my cycle and a bit diffident (weak opks etc). Was a bit worried about messing it up, but got unequivocal opk positives on CD12, ovulation on CD14 this month.

@ploopypleepy I sometimes ovulate according to bbt but can't tell for definite ad the only way to know is by getting a scan but I rarely get any ovulation signs either way

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 oh yes! We can just get on with it stressed or not haha!

Thanks guys, do you know if you do actually ovulate already? My cycles are fairly regular but I don't have strong ovulation signs at all.

Hi @ploopypleepy I also took it 2-6, dose of 100, 100, 100, 150, 200. I took it to bring ovulation forwards, and that did happen. 3-7 is probably the latest I would personally take it. I would advise to take at night, because it didn't make me feel too well.

@Marvellouslymadmum exactly 😂 we're lucky the 'performance' side doesn't fall so much on us

Hi @ploopypleepy you can take them 2-6, 3-7, 4-8 or 5-9 so you're not too late this cycle if you wanted to. I took it 2-6 this cycle but will prob do 3-7 next cycle so it's slightly different

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 thank you, I'm ok now. It's very hard at the time and I think when I do get another bfp it'll make me very tentative but the fact that I now know my iron levels were really know makes me hope that if I get another one I'm more hopeful it will be a sticky one! It's def no good if they're stressed as they can't get their part of the job one or don't want to which is even worse 😂

@Marvellouslymadmum so sorry to hear that, that's horrible. Hope you're okay xx

Yes I'm with keeping the stress just to us as well, feel its better for the whole process if the partners are not stressed

Hey guys, I'm following for interest, I've just bought some to try next cycle, I'm on cycle day 3 now so missed my chance. Only on cycle 3 of trying this year but had a MC last year so I'm very very impatient. Fingers crossed for all us. What days and dosage are you all going to take?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 your friend sounds like a nightmare! I've had two mc and two cp that I know about and it's really put me off testing because of all the bfn I really do try hard not to test before af now but sometimes I just feel like I have to 😂 and I definitely hide most of it from the oh or he gets stressed lol