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Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

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moly39x · 21/03/2021 23:33

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

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Twiggywinkle13 · 30/04/2021 23:53

Typically get a positive opk and DH is unwell. Sigh. Is there any point trying tomorrow? I’m not sure how soon after a positive OPK you’re likely to ovulate?

acaciabluebell · 30/04/2021 22:18

Just finished taking my SI dose this month. Took 120, 120, 200, 200, 200 from days 3-7. No side effects this time. Let's hope that this cycle is the one

Marvellouslymadmum · 30/04/2021 21:12

@choccrumpet I really do hope it won't be that long because I'm running out of time! I was 42 in March so can't really afford to wait! Maybe they're both the soy!

choccrumpet · 30/04/2021 21:05

@Twiggywinkle13 I get exactly the same 😂 although the times I had a chemical I felt different like something was happening, sort of knew I was pregnant but who knows! I bet the time i get a sticky one I won't notice a thing.

@Marvellouslymadmum I know each area would be different, I'm grasping at straws to try understand how long the wait is although I actually completely forgot about it until now 😅 at least you've got some sort of indication now and hopefully it'll get less as time goes on and things reopen properly so you don't have to wait the full 8 months. I've been super super tired recently - I wonder if it IS the soy! That would be interesting. And maybe nausea is stronger ovulation due to soy again

Marvellouslymadmum · 30/04/2021 20:39

@Twiggywinkle13 I always have some hope (though god knows when when ttc for over 3 years 😂) I go from - could be pregnant? 😁to Don't be stupid! 🤦🏼‍♀️ About every ten minutes of the day.

@choccrumpet they haven't referred me for multiple losses even though I've had them but I'm going to try questioning that on Tuesday too! I think it depends on the area who you get referred to. It will depend on your area for wait times too, I initially got a letter after about 10 days saying if I didn't get an appointment through by the end of March to ring and book, I rang and was told appointments aren't going out yet but it's approx 33 week wait so I'll just get a letter!! I've also been tired and slightly nauseous but think it's too early for implantation so could be to do with ov or soy - who knows!! 🤷🏼‍♀️

choccrumpet · 30/04/2021 20:26

Ah thanks @Marvellouslymadmum so apart from bloods the rest (SA) is a referral, that's good to know. Oh I'm sorry about that, that's so crap! I've been referred for multiple losses and I think will be seeing a gyno as well although I'm not sure, not been told anything and know nothing about it but I wonder if it's the same process and seeing the same people. I've been waiting since January and have not heard of initial appointments and haven't been told how long the wait is. I wonder if 8 months is an indication. (Which is frustrating!)

I wonder if my super tiredness has anything to do with ovulation (and soy). I'm feeling quite nauseous at the moment and have started cramping a bit, I haven't noticed this before around ovulation. I think ovulation pains can come and go from what I've seen others say, maybe that's what happened with you this month?

Twiggywinkle13 · 30/04/2021 20:23

@Marvellouslymadmum fingers crossed for you. I absolutely hate the TWW. I’m convinced every single month - for the last year - that I must be pregnant. Fingers crossed this time we actually are!

Marvellouslymadmum · 30/04/2021 20:05

@katewitch hi and welcome

@choccrumpet I think the other thing they can have tested is sa besides any vitamin deficiencies etc. My oh has a referal for sa we are just waiting for an appt. I have had 4 blood tests (basically checked absolutely everything!) but have now been referred to gynaecology for more investigations which is an 8 month wait 😑

@Twiggywinkle13 that's a great opk line!

I'm 5dpo (I think, apps can't decide if 5 or 8 🙄) and strangely no Ov pain or signs at all this month, no symptoms of anything at all!!

choccrumpet · 30/04/2021 17:48

Yay for peak @Twiggywinkle13 ! It's a good enough cycle day to get a peak so that's great!

Thanks @katewitch ! My fertile week lasts so long it is definitely exhausting in that way 😅

For some reason I'm sure it won't happen this cycle 🤷🏼‍♀️ not in a bad way, just don't think it will.

My pomegranate juice came, I think I went over board but hopefully it will help

katewitch · 30/04/2021 17:38

Well we have a faint line on my cheapie OPK, so not positive but also more than I usually have on CD9! Who knows Confused

Just a waiting game but will start DTD as per SMEP just in case...! May be a tiring few weeks if the positive doesn't arrive Grin

@choccrumpet good luck as you head into the TWW! 🤞🏻

Twiggywinkle13 · 30/04/2021 17:09

Hi everyone!

Just had my positive OPK, CD15. It’s a fair bit stronger than previous ones so maybe that’s a good sign. Will get BD’ing all weekend for sure. Hopefully this is the month I get pregnant!

How’s everyone else doing?

Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?
Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?
choccrumpet · 30/04/2021 17:07

Forgot to ask, I know a few of you have mentioned your partners having certain tests done. What can they get checked with a GP in terms of basic fertility testing? How was your / your partners experience of this? Going the GP / NHS route

choccrumpet · 30/04/2021 16:51

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 my fertility week / 2 weeks is so intense for us we rarely have sex at other times of my cycle ☹️

I got my peak this morning! Assuming it's pure coincidence with the acupuncture last night. Cd22 so not too bad but it is quite late, I can only assume the soy pushed it back more.

I also booked acupuncture with the other lady in a week and a bit so am looking forward to that 🤗

Hi @katewitch that sounds really positive! I started getting ewcm near the start of my cycle and I thought ovulation would be earlier but it then stopped. Will be interesting to see when yours will be!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 30/04/2021 13:03

@katewitch hi that sounds positive, keep us posted! That does seem very early compared to your normal cycle.

katewitch · 30/04/2021 12:23

Hi everyone! Hoping I can hop on the thread Smile

I'm officially Cycle 1 of TTC #2 (DS is 6 and I had much more regular cycles then!). We have been NTNP since January but nothing so far. My cycles are usually 36-56 days(!) and often have a failed ovulation attempt before actually getting there...

I gave soy isoflavones a try last cycle to see what they did (CD3-7, 90, 90, 135, 135, 90). I had a failed attempt on CD18 and finally ovulated CD27, which felt strong.

This cycle I've tried CD2-6, 90, 90, 135, 135, 135. I'm now CD9 and starting to have my usual ovulation symptoms which is bizarre! Will take an OPK when I get home Confused

Fingers crossed for everyone TTC this month Flowers

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 30/04/2021 11:47

Morning, how is everyone?

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 29/04/2021 21:52

@TheHotelCalifornia welcome back, hope you ovulate soon! Break sounds amazing, some time out will be lovely. I can't wait to get away also. Ha yes the dreaded thermometer beep 🤣 maybe I need to start being as proactive as you guys. I kind of laze about reading the news.

@choccrumpet I hear you on the exhaustion, we haven't had sex since ovulation, even though my partner professes every day is ideal for him 🤣 obviously not

Marvellouslymadmum · 29/04/2021 21:49

@TheHotelCalifornia nothing yet other than being really tired but I think that's my own doing haha

choccrumpet · 29/04/2021 20:55

@TheHotelCalifornia welcome back 🤗 great that you're feeling better! Hopefully you'll see a peak soon. We've been dtd every second day for over a week, almost 2 and we're both tired of it 😂😅 so I feel you on that one. Yay it's great that so many of you ladies here are veggies, definitely helping me feel like I haven't completely lost it after that session! I almost kicked off at him 🤣 but decided against it as didn't think there would be any point. I also eat fish about once a week.

Riverskye · 29/04/2021 20:51

@TheHotelCalifornia fingers crossed you ovulate soon! I'm currently CD65, I've finally managed to book a GP appointment/phone call to try and get the ball rolling on some assistance. I've only had 4 periods since coming off birth control in July so a bit fed up tbh!

TheHotelCalifornia · 29/04/2021 20:30

Sorry @ploopypleepy pressed send too soon! Def test again in a day or so and please keep us updated!! xxxx

TheHotelCalifornia · 29/04/2021 20:29

Hey ladies, how are we all doing? Just catching up – I’ve been trying not to think about TTC so much so had a bit of a break from MN and it’s actually been really good for me.

I’m on CD18 – had 3 days in a row of flashing smileys on the CB Advanced and 2 days before that of blank. Really hoping ovulation happens in the next few days and that the soy has done something to help. We’re going to keep DTD every other day until I get peak I think as otherwise it’s exhausting. I ovulated on CD27 last cycle so I would absolutely love it to be before then.

@choccrumpet sorry to hear about your disappointing acupuncture experience, I’d have been really annoyed! I don’t eat meat either but I do eat fish and seafood occasionally. I really don’t think there is anything in meat that you can’t get from vitamins or supplements if not in veggies, and regardless, you absolutely shouldn’t have to just start eating meat as if that’s the only option!! I’d have kicked off hah! Will be interesting to see what your lady says when you go to her.

@ploopypleepy I'm so sorry it was an indent :(

@IntergalacticP I’m so sorry to hear that you had an indent ☹ such bad luck and so cruel. I really hope your next cycle isn’t as long. My first cycle off the pill was 108 days so I feel your pain. They’ve got a bit shorter but I had a miscarriage in January so my hormones have been messed up and they are still long and annoying. Sucks that we don’t get as many chances to TTC as others ☹ keeping my fingers crossed that this is your lucky cycle xxx

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I feel your pain on the becoming obsessed thing. I swear I used to be so fun and now all I do is talk and think about TTC it’s mad. We’ve booked a little minibreak for Aug and if we’re actually allowed to fly anywhere in the autumn you can bet your bottom dollar we’ll be booking somewhere last minute. My thermometer beep also wakes my BF up haha but he’s started using the time productively to down a glass of water at 5am ahead of going for a run at 6am! So actually I’m doing him a favour hahaha! Xxx

@riverskye any news on AF?

@tiggywinkle13 any updates for us?

@Marvellouslymadmum interesting about the nosebleed! Any updates since then?

Marvellouslymadmum · 29/04/2021 19:54

@choccrumpet that's sounds quite odd, I have had my protein levels checked as part of the many blood tests taken and it was almost at the maximum - I was pleasantly surprised!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 29/04/2021 19:17

@choccrumpet yeah it does sound a bit like that, really disappointing ☹

choccrumpet · 29/04/2021 19:12

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 it was relaxing enough I just didn't like how he kept referring back to me not eating meat is the problem and the only way for me to fix it is to eat meat. It came across like he's got an issue with people not eating meat. I don't want to be forced to do something I don't want to unless there's a good reason to. It's like he already knew what he thought I should do before actually treating me.

I'll definitely speak to the other woman and hope it's a better experience 🤞🏼 and I still want to try it again, I'm sure I need to give it a few goes before I notice a difference