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Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

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moly39x · 21/03/2021 23:33

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

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choccrumpet · 17/05/2021 20:59

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 that sounds really frustrating.. I hope you see a temp spike any day now! Keep us updated and hope you're okay.

I've got a bit of a headache today (cd4) but I don't think it's soy, I think I got myself worked up earlier, got some bloods back and had abnormal results for some things and dr google put me into a panic.. my gp isn't worried so I panicked for nothing (I hope) and now stuck with a headache.

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 17:49

@Slk3558 no I took it the previous two cycles (and ovulated perfectly on CD14 for these). Then had to take a months break for blood tests. And no have a 4 days of positive opks and no ovulation :(

Slk3558 · 17/05/2021 17:18

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 Oh you’re not taking soy this cycle?

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 14:00

Maybe without the soy, my body is going back to diffident ovulation

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 13:59

@Slk3558 thanks, must have been stressful! I'm wondering if mine is underlying stress, new vitamins I'm on, or to be honest, the soy making my ovulation stronger on the previous two months.

katewitch · 17/05/2021 12:33

@Marvellouslymadmum gosh I hope not Sad will just have to wait it out... and keep doing an OPK every day in the meantime!

Marvellouslymadmum · 17/05/2021 12:11

@katewitch maybe the soy pushed it back a little more? When I took days 3-7 I ov'd day 14 on day 2-6 I ov'd day 16

katewitch · 17/05/2021 11:46

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 thanks, really hoping so!

@Marvellouslymadmum it was days 2-6 this cycle, as I'd done 3-7 previously and it didn't bring ov forward at all (CD26 in the end I think)...

Hopefully she'll turn up by the end of the week...!

Slk3558 · 17/05/2021 10:58

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 exact same thing happened to me last month I had about 4 days of positive opk no temp rise eventually ovulated on day 20. I was seriously stressed out desperately wanted to see that temp rise and think it was delaying my ov.

Marvellouslymadmum · 17/05/2021 10:41

@Boc86 welcome, will the docs not do any more than offer progesterone for you? I wouldn't thought they may offer something else like clomid?

@katewitch it so frustrating when af just doesn't show up!! What days did you take soy this month?

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 09:36

@katewitch it sounds like you did ovulate 🤞 maybe your days could be out by a day or two for where you are now. On the plus side also, a 14 day luteal phase sounds ideal! 12 is the most I can seem to get. The soy did push mine out by 2-3 days. Good luck! But annoying waiting around

katewitch · 17/05/2021 09:30

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I usually use OPKs. I got a high one on the Friday with ov symptoms, but then couldn't test due to a crazy busy weekend (with all the signs), then had what felt very much like ovulation pains on the Monday on my left side. I'm now kicking myself that I didn't make the extra effort to test!

I'm usually very irregular, it varies wildly from one cycle to another. My fear is that if I was wrong and just being optimistic, then I'm still waiting and it will be forever until next cycle!

God what I wouldn't give to have a normal cycle Sad

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 09:08

@katewitch on no, frustrating. How did you measure ovulation, and is your cycle usually regular (sorry there are so many to keep track of)?

katewitch · 17/05/2021 08:49

Morning all, I'm joining Team Frustration / No Idea What's Going On at the moment!

If I was right about ovulation, AF is due today. No sign of her yet but I have been rather emotional sorry DH this weekend which is usual...

So far I've tested every day since with an OPK since and no highs or peaks, so if she doesn't show soon I may lose it as it would mean an anovulatory cycle with SIs, or its still to come Hmm

Just feeling super cynical and being a total misery today Grin

14dpo and a few BFNs over the past few days. Would just like AF to turn up so we can have another go and I can distract myself from catastrophising!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 07:24

Welcome @Boc86 and sorry it’s a long thread with a lot of random chat 😬 😂 Good luck hope it helps you!
My month of no soy isn’t working so great, 4 days of positive opks, and no temp spike, so I am not ovulating yet despite positives

Boc86 · 16/05/2021 12:04

Hello, I’ve read this thread from start to finish haha

I’m on cycle 13 of ttc my third baby. No problems having my previous two children 11 and 9 years ago, apparently it’s true your fertility decreases with age Grin

I had chemicals in June 2020, July 2020, ectopic nov 2020 and chemical March 2021.

I have a short luteul phase and low progesterone at 7dpo

I ovulate cd18-21 and then come on by 9dpo although the last 3 months it’s been 11dpo using my prog suppositories

The soy I have says 50mg and it arrives when I’m cd4 so I’ll be doing 4-8 this month but then 2-6 because I want to bring my ov forward

I’m cd2 so can start soy Tuesday as soon as it arrives :)

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 16/05/2021 09:52

@Frankie2015 sorry you’re not feeling well, but yay on the peak

Frankie2015 · 16/05/2021 09:07

Day 18 after 4 days on flashing smileys finally got my peak. Ovulation definitely feels stronger, I've got a headache and feel a bit blah, got pains, diarrhoea and really need to somehow be appealing to my DH so we DTD tonight 🤦🏼‍♀️

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 16/05/2021 08:27

I’m now on my third day of a positive digital opk, still low temps. I’m not sure what is going on 🤷‍♀️

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 16/05/2021 08:26

@Marvellouslymadmum I’m really sorry, it honestly is the worst x

Marvellouslymadmum · 15/05/2021 16:36

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 @choccrumpet it's definitely a weight off my mind, but as I know I'm not eligible for ivf I'm just hoping they won't dismiss me on the infertility front! I will definitely have everything written down about the ttc journey and endometriosis too

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I'm so sorry about your dad, I lost mine 6 years ago with a similar experience and to be honest none of us have ever got over how it all happened with the nhs.

@Slk3558 I'm not sure about private gp consultations but when the gp I was dealing with dismisses me and told me there was nothing more she could do I asked to speak to another gp in the practice and she did loads more for me and referred me to gynaecology for more tests too

@Riverskye my doc has booked me in for a scan I think that's to look for pcos as she's trying to rule everything out.

Riverskye · 15/05/2021 15:09

@Marvellouslymadmum So great to hear you got your referral! My Dr thinks I've got PCOS but currently in the process of trying to get an official diagnosis, just waiting on AF so I can get blood tests done!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 sadly my Dr can't give me anything but they seem to be supportive of me getting tests done to try and get a referral to a specialist. Just have to wait and see I suppose, we're considering going private depending on what the blood test show and wait times.

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 15/05/2021 13:30

@ploopypleepy def temp if you can, its so reassuring to me to see I do in fact ovulate!

ploopypleepy · 15/05/2021 13:23

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I know ... I'm taking it as my period will come a little bit later. Yes, no changes in CM, no ovulation pain, no boob ache... I mean I know that doesn't necessarily mean I don't ovulate but I'd like to have some kind of sign 😂😂

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 15/05/2021 13:18

Thanks @choccrumpet

@ploopypleepy okay phew, hopefully you'll get some symptoms. When you say none, what do you mean? No cm, no boob ache etc?

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