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Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

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moly39x · 21/03/2021 23:33

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

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choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 17:24

That was short lived, definitely negative 😓 no idea where that line came from.

Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?
Boc86 · 18/05/2021 16:37

@choccrumpet I’m sure I can see a line on the FR too!
The middle tests are good I really rate them!
I binned all my ones same as the top I feel like I could have a line even during my period with those!

Boc86 · 18/05/2021 16:32

Thank you @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 oh no that’s so annoying not knowing what’s going on!

@Marvellouslymadmum no my GP really isn’t doing much, I’m having to really kick up a fuss even just for cd21 bloods and a fertility referral. They wouldn’t even give me progesterone after the bloods showed very low levels! They made me go to the mc clinic who luckily prescribed it easily.

choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 15:36

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 yep all 3 same pee but no hold basically and I drink a lot of water, so was maybe an hour at most before I last went before I tested. Will do 🤦🏼‍♀️

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 18/05/2021 15:34

@choccrumpet Did you do the frer with the same pee as the other? Very odd. Keep us posted how you go

choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 15:24

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 the top 2 are both 10mIU.. I got a little line on the one step (top one) before period but I feel like they always have a line so I'm not really trusting it. But actually I had a clearer line on a Tesco test but put that down to a false positive as that's what a lot of the reviews said and nothing else was showing me a line.

I'm going to try hold my pee in and do another later. Ugh I feel sick about this, it's messing with me, so confusing 😭 I just want it to be one way or another

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 18/05/2021 15:17

@choccrumpet what sensitivity is the middle one? You had a little line before your period also didn't you?

Applecrumble24 · 18/05/2021 15:04

That middle one is definitely positive! Strange about the frer though 🤔

choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 14:56

Forgot to attach photo 🤦🏼‍♀️

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choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 14:56

Ladies I almost had a heart attack... decided to do a cheapie (middle) just to make sure I wasn't pregnant, didn't do much of a pee hold, because my period was light this time and this line came up immediately. Then did the frer and the top cheapie and both are obviously negative. I'm sure the middle one is broken but I've never had this happen before.. has anyone experienced this before? It's quite confusing. The top one looks like it's got the faintest line in person on it but it's a one step and I swear they always look like they've got a line on them so not really believing that one

choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 13:41

@Marvellouslymadmum fingers crossed for you! My headaches were worse last cycle and I took a lower dose and it's not bad at the moment so that's positive!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I didn't understand my cervix until recently. You're feeling for a donut shape and the middle of that donut feels bigger (open) close to ovulation. In terms of whether it's high or low doesn't seem to mean much as it moves around. But I wonder if the opening is more accurate. It took me a while to understand it! But I'm not sure if it necessarily means you're about to ovulate. Mine is normally open right before I get my final peak before ovulation

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 18/05/2021 12:58

@choccrumpet it might be the soy, headaches are really common on it apparently. Hopefully it'll go with your last dose. I can't really get to grips with the cervix thing, I've tried it before but it often seems high.

@Marvellouslymadmum fingers crossed it holds out! This must be the only time you're hoping for a later ovulation!

Slk3558 · 18/05/2021 12:56

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7w grrr sorry to hear that. It will happen! I felt exactly the same last month.

Marvellouslymadmum · 18/05/2021 12:53

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 ahh I see I use the digital advance ones so they measure Lh and oestrogen. I'm good thank you had my smear today and hoping my peak holds out until after Thursday as oh is abstaining for his sa! Lol

@choccrumpet I felt nauseous and had a headache on the soy too hopefully you'll feel better soon

choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 12:48

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 yes agree! Thankfully she thinks they're all okay for now.
That is so strange!! It sounds like you're doing all the right things and it must be really frustrating but try to not let it get you down. It sounds like you've got yourself covered even if you decided to stop. It is so odd! I'm not sure how accurate this is but have you felt your cervix to see if it's open?

@Marvellouslymadmum I've only got myself to blame for the headache but wonder if some of it is soy, feeling a bit nauseous too so could well be the soy and the high dose. Got one more day on it though so should be fine. If soy doesn't help bring my ovulation forward this cycle I might try days 3-7 next one and then let it go 😅

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 18/05/2021 12:39

@Marvellouslymadmum these are peak opks. I've had ten flashys before, but these are the LH ones only, so zero to peak. But yeah I hope it hurries up!

How are you?

Marvellouslymadmum · 18/05/2021 12:11

@choccrumpet good old dr google hope you feel better now

@Riverskye you should be able to request a copy of the results from your gp so you can see what it was

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I've had 6 days of flashy before so 🤞🏻 it'll still turn to peak for you

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 18/05/2021 11:37

@ploopypleepy any news on yours?

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 18/05/2021 11:36

@choccrumpet worth it to get checked out, in case its something small you can easily fix. Or otherwise, if all is normal, then for peace of mind.

I had another smiley face this morning, so that is five now, and as we've been following SMEP (actually SMEP+ trying to hit morning and evening as I've very little cm to protect any sperm) I'm exhausted 😂 I'm thinking this will either be late ovulation or anovulatory now, which will be so annoying if so given all of the effort we've put in

choccrumpet · 18/05/2021 09:33

@Riverskye apparently it's only available in certain parts of NI so not sure if you will be able to get it

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 to be honest I asked for the blood test, along with all the other tests I've done so far, but it is great that they're listening and allowing me to get these things done

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 22:40

@choccrumpet hopefully she gets to the bottom of the tiredness for you. But it’s great they’re being so thorough. And yes, Dr Google can be very bad!!!

Riverskye · 17/05/2021 22:15

@choccrumpet I’ve never heard of that before, I’m in Northern Ireland though and it’s usually a little behind here. Definitely going to look into that to see if we have it or something similar as it sounds super useful!

choccrumpet · 17/05/2021 21:55

@Riverskye if you're in the UK, have you tried downloading the patient access app? It links up with my GP and I can see all test results there as soon as they're available which is normally sooner than when a doctor would call me back. Hopefully you'll get some answers soon!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 it was for tiredness, my b12 came back really high and a few others were off and dr google brought me down rabbit hole of it being signs of this that and the other.. thankfully all okay for now, will just have to check whenever I do have more bloods in the future. Tiredness isn't resolved but she thinks it might be due to stress or mental health which is probably right. Not many talk about ttc having a negative effect on mental health and I think I'm definitely experiencing that

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/05/2021 21:16

@choccrumpet oh no, your general bloods or your day 3 bloods? Sounds like if you’re Sr isn’t worried it’s okay, but so sorry for the stress and headaches.

@Riverskye thank you, but nowhere near as stressful as long cycles must be. Sounds like a good plan to stay off soy until you k ow what other tests you’re having, you don’t want it to affect them. Hope everything goes okay

Riverskye · 17/05/2021 21:10

@katewitch totally understand the frustration, whilst a BFP would be perfect sometimes you just want AF to hurry up already so you can start counting the next cycle! Hoping you get a positive soon!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I can't imagine how frustrating it must be with positive opks and no clear ovulation, fingers crossed your body tips and you get an obvious ov again.

I got results back for first blood test today and thyroid, testosterone, diabetes etc normal. One came back as in keeping with PCOS but the receptionist who was telling me them had trouble pronouncing what it was … I believe it was to do with androgens. Going to try and get a call with a Dr this week to get a clearer idea and see what the next step is. Def staying off soy until I know if I'm needing more blood tests or a referral.

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