the 2WW Continues...........................

I really would trust the cramping feeling. Do you have a short cycle? Also (hope you're not easily put off by gory bits) you might have increased discharge; it gets thicker (I think) towards ovulation. Digitalgirl knows more than me about this? I always know by the cramps. I haven't done temping yet - will try without for a few months. If we don't have success then I might.

DH's! They complain and complain. It's such hardship for them...

Thanks abbymeg. I've seen those ovulation calenders. Apparently the best day for conception will be Friday, so I'm intending to BD every day between now and Monday . Poor old DH, he's absolutely exhausted at the moment .

I've just been a bit wary of using the calenders as gospel as I know every woman is different, and ovulation can take place earlier or later than for other women. I don't want to start temping just yet as we're knew to TTC, but we're enjoying it very much !

And on the day, and for a couple of days after jut to be on the safe side. Hell, I tend to go for it as AF ends, and contemplate giving up a couple of days before it's due again - why take chances! "I Village" has an ovulation calculator on its fertility pages (sorry, I'm rubbish at links) that tells you the dates to bd working from the date of your last AF. (It also forecasts them for about the next ten years!)

It could well be! Starting to learn what my body is up to as I've been on the pill for years. So if this is ovulation pain, does that mean we've still got a good chance this month of getting that BFP? The trick is plenty of BD'ing right up until ovulation, right?

Hi glastochick - is it ovulation pain? I get these - they feel like AF pain. Light cramps. I'd continue on your bding mission to be on the safe side!

This is a bit bizarre. On CD12 today, and started getting what feels like AF pains. AF only ended on the 16th. We BD'd Saturday and again last night. Never before felt AF pains so early on. I usually get the odd sensation about a week before AF is due and then nothing until the day AF starts.

Anyone got any ideas?

I'd love to, but I work until 2.30 on Friday, and where are you? Is this a real-life lunch? (sorry if I sound thick )

Where are you abbymeg are you coming to lunch?

No you don't owe us anything GG your fantastic company was payment enough. . Believe me I drank a lot of wine, I swayed all the way to meet my friends afterward who, yes you guessed it, had a bottle of wine waiting for me.... This time at least we will be a bit more restrained as DG has plans and I have to go on to meet my BF later in the evening.

You've all been busy today .

Well, AF should be getting her skates on this evening, all being well. I want her here, and here now! Bring it on! I'm eager to get going again.

Cbcb - awww. Secretly (despite bitching about cost) I liked the idea of two. I don't think I'd ever want a third child in single pregnancies, but if fate was to force my hand with twins, I'd have quite a family. Plus I had names for them . Saying that, if you had them without fitting the criteria, perhaps I would..(Promise not to tell dh about secret longing..) Sorry about BFN, but - as they say - it's not over till she sings.

Bucky - hopefully I'll be joining you in the single-figure days tomorrow. I was 2 days late last month which has thrown me right out of sync. She better be punctual this month, especially after (makes sick noises) the DIET (bleurgh) and EXERCISE (bleurgh, blergh) I've been forcing myself to do despite my seasonal lack of willpower. It's been a drag; but pg would be wworth it!

p.s. I must stress that I am NOT a wine swigging lush and/or alcoholic despite several posts on here on the subject of getting squiffy. I am a decicated TTC-er, brazil nut scoffer, grapefruit juice inbiber and general all round baby obsessive at the moment

"CBCB" - whenever I hear about these Hyachinthe (SP?) Bucket types, it always makes me want to be subversive. People who are up themselves with their own self-importance are soooo tedious.

You could always finish matters by looking startled when the Yummies point out you have a Tampax behind your ear and shriek "Oooh gawd, what have I done with my pen!?"

Bucky I'm dead disappointed I'll miss the meet up. I was definitely the wine swigging lush last outing who drank more than her fair entitlement . I probably owe you money from last time we hit the town I'd suggest the next time we organise a meet up we have it in the first two weeks of the cycle so we can get joyously squiffy on wine.

hello to DG and everyone else.

We're lacking in inspiration round here with all these AF's arriving and BFN's.

Or are you on your 2ww dg?..ohh I should shut up now . I am aware that when you write things they can sound mean and insensitive when they are not intended that way and I am getting all paranoid...

I really WAS joking about the wine gryffin, it was shared equally. Besides I will have to do Digitalgirl a favour and drink it ALL because she is on her 2ww. hee hee. .

Hey Gryffin sorry you can't make it on Friday we will miss you lots (and have more wine hee hee...I'm joking, I'm joking )

CBCB Maybe don't take gryffin's advice about the tampon, they will think you are a little strange (bucky is being sarcastic). You could do a Britney and wear a T shirt that says 'Don't mess with me muthers!'. That'll tell em. Or if not, I am sure the tampon thing will work.

Hmm, apparently Gryffin is not the only one feeling a little crazy this afternoon. Today I am mostly FED UP with talking about root barriers for bleedin' trees and trenches....arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh .

pmsl CBCB at artillery belt. Unfortunately its not too far from the truth, I have grapefruit juice, brazil nuts, CBD OPKs just purchased, Pro Natal vits and would have a thermometer in my handbag (but they didn't have any in Boots today). A belt might make it a bit too obvious to my work collegues the fact they fall over my handbag alot is bad enough. I hope they never get a glimpse IN it!!!

CBCB - haha, I agree. I should be p*ssed as a fart seeing Amy Winehouse! DH has already said that if we manage to TTC this month, any DD produced should be called Amy . Think he is getting his hopes up a little, not to mention that I'm not sure I'd want any DD to be taking after an alcoholic, anorexic, heroin addict, even if she is rather talented . Don't let the Yummy Mummies be snotty to you and enjoy the Christmas funraiser. Hope AF doesn't turn up, but just in case, down a few mulled wine before the proceedings start and tuck a tampon behind your ear, so they are in no doubt of the reasons for your early departure if you start clutching your abdomen and moaning with AF pains

sorry, I am just feeling silly today and have FAR too much work to do tonight, so I am slightly hysterical

Hope everyone is feeling a little happier today. Sending everyone lots of love and luck

DG Bucky - damn, I can't come . I'd love to meet for lunch, but I am off to Scotland on Friday morning for the weekend (sister's birthday shin-dig). Have a lovely time at the meet up!

DG - you are our TTC thread resident teacher . It's true, you do learn so much about being on here. I often wonder why they don;t teach this stuff as part of sex education at school ("Girls - Know your Body"). They talk about knowledge being empowering to young people, but it seems to me that it's all very well talking about using condoms, just say no, or whatever, but a wee lesson on EWCM, when you ovulate etc might also be useful. Not sure what everyone else thinks.

Loved the twins conversation below CBCB - DH has aunts who are twins and My mum is a twin, so I am slightly scared by all this talk of producing a brace! Although I am not Japanese, not obese last time I looked and it will be #1 (or two ?) for me if I conceive

hello to everyone else.

I am at CD14 today, so half way through and (I suppose) now on the 2WW . DH is keeping up his strength and we are managing to BD regularly, which is great, so fingers crossed for this month. We are off to see Amy Winehouse tomorrow night (if she turns up ) which I can't wait for, although I won't be drinking now I suppose. Don't think I have been to a gig before completely sober and detoxed

Gosh DG, I didn't know that about luteal phases at all. Thats really helpful. I knew about OV occuring a different times but not the luteal phase.
I've been able to work mine out from this months positive OPK test so this should help in the 2WW. Mine is 13 days, assuming you count day one as the day you OV.

I felt so nauseous this morning and yesterday. Couldn't eat breakfast - v unusual for me! Its a shame I got AF on Sunday or I'd have convinced myself this was a pg symptom.

Oh I see. Thanks digitalgirl! I'm learning sooo much about my body from reading these threads. TTC is educational and fun

hi jollybear you're right that we each have our set luteal phase (days between Ov and AF). So if you ov late, then you get AF late, so it has time to implant. So when AF is late (and you're not PG) it's because you've ovulated later than usual. Stress, amongst other things, can delay ovulation, not lengthen your luteal phase.