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unCliche · 2020-11-22T11:31:22+00:00

Hey *@ButterscotchBabe*! Continuing our chat here 😁 I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news! Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me. I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too. I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you! I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

ButterscotchBabe · 22/06/2021 19:39

Nope not conceived! Af has started, although it's still very light and brown in colour but I think it's heavier than spotting. I had one day of hope! 😂😭.

That's interesting the SI haven't dropped your temp again, maybe your body is more used to them this time, so is reacting less 🤔. Although that doesn't match up with the pain you're in!

I had my TSH level done last year and it was 1.29, so yours is closer to the limit but it's still under. They set those limits for a reason, if a rate of 2.23 was enough to affect fertility then they would lower it. They're probably being safe saying 2.5, so I don't think you need to worry. Do you know if there's anything you can do, to bring it down?

When you had your previous consultation, did they say you would be put on the lowest dose of medication, to reduce the risk of OHSS?

I get what you mean about not wanting to be told to have the vaccine and having your choice taken away. I had the same problem but the other way round. My Mum has become obsessed with conspiracy theories and believes the covid vaccine has been developed to kill off humans and reduce the population 😂😂. She was very strongly trying to get me not to have the vaccine. She has no respect for my right to choose and thinks I don't have the capability to do my own research. This just made me want to have the vaccine more and so I did.

Great news your boss is fine for you to take those days off! You might want your DH to go with you to scans, depending on how your feeling. If your ovaries are massive and painful, it maybe difficult for you to walk or sit down and you don't want to get on busy public transport incase you get knocked into. Although that risk is probably reduced now with social distancing. I think DP would like to be there for every appointment but hospitals are being really difficult at the moment. So I doubt they would let him come in for scans. They better do for EC and ET or that would be horrible!

I am excited but also worried about losing a lot of money, if we get messed around with Covid restrictions. Aww I bet that was a nice surprise for them to get a gift the day before the wedding! Yes DP knows who he is going to ask, I plan on asking a friend to be a maid of honour but I met her through DP, so she was his friend first. Hopefully she'll still like to have that role in our wedding.

Thanks for the advice and reassurance for the wedding day! I'll just look at DP when walking down the aisle and pretend no-one else is there 😂😂. Did you get any photos or videos that capture your DH's reaction, seeing you walk down the aisle?

We wouldn't go further North than the Midlands, I'd love to in terms of house prices but I don't want to be too far away from family. Would you consider moving to a cheaper area to get a bigger house? I don't like beaches so I don't think I'd miss Devon much 😂. Also there's so much building going on here, on lovely countryside, it's very sad.

Gosh yes I've also read posts where the poor woman is in despair because her partner won't agree to IVF. How horrible some men are, to put their self esteem above having children - some men view IVF as a failure on their part. Other men agree to it but are pretty rubbish and have no consideration on what it involves for the female body. I agree, it's great we've got decent partners but that should be the norm!

300 people 😱😱 wow that's a huge wedding! Did most of them come? We're looking at around 60 during the day and 90 in the evening.

Oooh I think watching injection videos would make it worse for me 😂, did you find it helped? Do you start injections on CD1?

Our babies will probably be about a year apart, especially if I have to have tube surgery first. We'll have to time the 2nd ones better 😂😂.

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unCliche · 22/06/2021 11:48

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unCliche · 22/06/2021 11:47

Omg omg omg! Did you test today? What did your temps do? Do you think you could have...

Conceived???

If anything, your LP will be longer by one day, so that's something, but a BFP would be better!! It could be an effect of the vaccine as well but not sure it would have an impact on your LP, maybe ovulation, but definitely not the LP. But Oooo, I'm really excited for you! My temps have been stable. Sort of hovering around 36.3 which is normal for me, so last cycle's really low temps was just a fluke and maybe nothing to do with the SI - could have been the weather? Maybe I was too hot and my body temperature dropped to cool me down.

I think for fertility, a TSH of below 2.5 is ideal and I feel mine is pretty near that so could be an issue? It's definitely not hypo- or hyperthyroidism so I guess it could be worse.

I'm feeling much better now thanks. Not sure why I was so unwell. Took an IC yesterday just to rule out an unexpected pregnancy (obviously BFN). I think I'll expect an early ovulation because my ovaries are definitely doing something! I'll take my last dose of SI today and hope my ovaries don't explode! I'm thinking, if I respond so well to a vitamin, how well will I respond to fertility drugs?? Really nervous about OHSS!

😒 He's annoying. I know being protected is better but I don't like being told what to do and him not giving me a choice only makes me want to go against him even more. If I didn't want a baby, I'd happily say to him, "fine, no kids for you then" and never get vaccinated. My second vaccine is booked for September so I'll probably have to have it while pregnant (fingers crossed) - I hope it'll be fine for the baby.

I'm going to ask my boss if I can preliminarily take those two weeks off but not use all the days and just confirm which days closer to the time. That way I only need half days for the scans, which will add up to 2 full days and then maybe 3 days for EC and ET, including time to recover (Boss has just said it's fine 🎉). DH's boss is a good friend of ours and he knows we're doing IVF so DH has told him he'll need to take some days off during the IVF cycle. He probably won't come with me to the scans, but definitely the EC and ET. How involved do you reckon your DP will be? Do you think he'd want to be there for every single appointment?

Yaaay! Registrar is definitely one you don't want to forget to book! That's really good though! It must feel so real now! Are you getting more excited the more you do? Your decor will be stunning! I can definitely see the glam influences in your choices! Glad you have a baker sorted for that gorgeous cake! I was going to ask my bridesmaids in a cute way, with the gifts I'd created for them. But in the end as they were mostly family and close friends, I just added them to a WhatsApp group and gifted them the day before the wedding 😂 A pamper box will be so sweet! Does your DP know who his groomsmen will be? Will you have a maid of honour?

The second dress doesn't have to be expensive I suppose. It could be something simple and comfortable and less than £100. It doesn't even have to be classed as a wedding dress, just white. Aww! Definitely enjoy the attention but on the day, you definitely won't notice. When I was walking down the aisle, I was focused on DH, I was just so happy to see him after the disastrous morning I had so I didn't notice anyone else. Then through the day so much is happening that you don't really have time to think about everyone staring at you. It's yours and your DP's day so focus on each other and enjoy it 💕

Yeah I definitely think having a bath and a shower is a waste of space, considering neither DH nor I really take baths but then we can't get rid of the bath altogether as we'll need it for the baby, so shower over bath is a happy compromise and then there'll be more space for useful things like nappy changing and storage 😁

Do you think you'd live even further up north than the Midlands? It's definitely really cheap. I remember when house hunting, we saw mansions in Norwich within our budget. If only houses down south were just as cheap! Do you think you'd prefer living in the Midlands over Devon?

I think it's good we have partners who are ok with going through IVF, I mean, all they need to do is ejaculate into a cup, so it's easy for them but some men can be against IVF all together. I've read posts where the man completely refuses to do IVF and it just sucks for the woman!

Place names are definitely a good idea. How many guests are you having? I invited 300 people to mine so there was no chance I'd be creating individual place names for them 😂 but if you you're having much less than that then it'll be a fun activity to do.

2.5 weeks to go before I start IVF!! I can't believe how close it is. I've watched all the injection videos and I'm trying to get familiar with the process! I'm hoping that my age and the fact that we're only dealing with MFI will mean it works first time 🤞🤞

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ButterscotchBabe · 22/06/2021 00:09

Great news your TSH level is normal 😀. That's exciting, 1st July is only next week! Oh no, I wonder why you're experiencing pain this early 🤔. Maybe there's still some left over estrogen from the SI last cycle, so now you're topping it up again, it's increasing even more. It might be best to stop the SI, if it's hurting now, ovulation might be agony and you don't want to give yourself OHSS.

How are you feeling now? I hope you've felt better since earlier.

That's a shame your DH has put that pressure on you. He's probably only doing it because covid is really dangerous for pregnant women, with a compromised immune system, you would get a much more severe illness if you weren't vaccinated. I remember in the early days of covid, a young pregnant nurse caught Covid, her baby was delivered in ICU and she died shortly afterwards. The baby survived but now the Dad has to bring two children up on his own. That's why I was quite keen to get the jab before starting IVF.

Weirdly my temp went up this morning and there's been no more spotting, I did an IC but BFN so not sure what's going on!

When they do EC they won't be able to see inside your tubes. The only way they can do that is with dye and x-ray scans (HSG) or an MRI. For egg collection they stick a needle through your vaginal wall to get to the ovary. They won't be going near your fallopian tubes and even if they did, ultrasound is not clear enough to see through them.

That would be good if you're able to get the full two weeks off 😊, will your DH be taking any time off? The IVF would be done at the same hospital I already go to, it's only about a 20 min drive from home, so it's handy it's quite close 🙂.

Haha I can't afford two dresses! I'll have to see, maybe my perfect dress/es happen to be on sale 😱. Yes my Dad will be walking me down the aisle 🥰, bit nervous about everyone looking at us/me, I don't like to draw attention to myself! How did you feel with all eyes on you, all day?

So I've now booked the registrar, a cake baker and hired a sparkle backdrop (see pic) and sequin table runners. The next big things to do are to book accommodation for night before wedding and ask bridesmaids/groomsmen. How did you ask your bridesmaids? I'm thinking of sending them a pamper box, put together myself, with a message inside.

The giant Jenga game arrived today, it's sooo heavy! Not surprising as it's loads of blocks of solid wood 😂😂. Definitely not something I can move!

Having a bath over shower is great idea, that will definitely give you more space in the bathroom. That's what we have, although our bathroom isn't big enough to have them separately 😂. Imagine having your little one, it would be nice to have the extra space for nappy changing!

Yes we're still considering the Midlands but unfortunately IVF is no better there. Most places only offer 1 IVF round (as here does), it's pretty much only places in the north that offer 3 rounds.

I think it's good to get your DH to do the injections, then he'll be more appreciative of what you're going through. If you do it all yourself, then he won't really see or understand how difficult the process is. Yeh DP is fine with IVF, he's convinced now that's the only way we're gonna get a baby!

Yes I really like the organisation I work for, they're very flexible, so I'll definitely stay there whilst having children and possibly longer. We're both lucky we're pretty comfortable and secure with our jobs 😊, one less thing to worry about 😂.

Haven't decided how I'm going to use the foil yet, possibly to write place names and table names or maybe pretty patterns. I've ordered a debossing and a engraving tool, so they'll be fun to play with 😀.

Well tomorrow will be interesting, will my temp be it's highest ever at 12 DPO?!

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unCliche · 21/06/2021 15:47

TSH was normal at 2.23mU/I and I've booked my consultation for 1st July so should be able to start with my next cycle 💃 I've also been very unwell today! Lots of pain in my ovaries/back. Had a stomach ache and been to the toilet a few times 💩 feels like food poisoning but no diarrhoea 🤢 also quite worried that the covid vaccine will bring AF back or push it forward and mess up my IVF cycle. Already argued with DH today as he said "no vaccine no IVF", which I think is a really unfair ultimatum and completely strips me of my freedom of choice.

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unCliche · 20/06/2021 18:51

Wooow the foil text looks so cool! You can do so much with that! Where are you thinking of using the foil? I've only ever used my machine to cut vinyl but this is much more awesome. I look forward to seeing the end results! Also the paper flowers look really professional! The machine is going to keep you busy for a long while! Have fun with it 😁

Booo to AF! But your LP has stayed at 10 days for a good few cycles now, so not too bad! I haven't had an 11+ day LP in a while. But nothing I've done has really increased it much, not even progesterone pessaries 😂 so I guess I can't escape my short LP.

I asked DH what he wanted to do this cycle and he still wanted to try. I wouldn't have minded relaxing but might as well give things one last try and know that we did all we could ourselves. I'm not expecting anything this cycle though, I think IVF is 100% on the cards for me. My infertility inkling from before we started TTC was right. Nothing like gut instinct eh? 😅 Maybe you guys could switch to NTNP, so DTD when you want but not target ovulation - take the pressure off and make DTD less about making a baby.

I've started get pain in my ovary. Feeling it mostly in my right side but felt something briefly in my left. I think I'll definitely ovulate from my right side though. It's pretty early for pain though! I'm only CD7. Still a week away from ovulating so could be an early ovulation.

Yeah, you're right. My tubes could be blocked without any other symptom. I guess when they go to do the EC they'll be able to see if there's anything wrong with my tubes. I'll ask them to have a poke around while I'm sedated 😁

I think what I'll do is play it safe and take two weeks off. I still have every two Friday's off at work so at least that's one day I wouldn't need to take off as annual leave. Do you know which clinic your IVF would likely take place in? Would it be at the place you currently go to? Is it far?

Get both dresses! Go for Princess for the ceremony and form fitting for the reception! No rules saying you can't have two dresses 😉 Will your dad be walking you down the aisle?

That's good! Hiring is definitely much better than buying. Have you bought/hired anything else for the wedding?

Yes, we'll defo update the bathroom. It might actually be better to do the bathroom first and then the kitchen and then the floors, doors and skirting boards. I want to change the layout of the bathroom too but need to think of the best way to do it. We have a bath and a shower but maybe getting rid of the shower and having one over the bath will add space.

Aww searching for your marital home together as husband and wife. Cute! Will you still be looking in the Midlands? How many cycles of IVF do you get on the NHS in your area again?

I'm leaning towards DH doing the injections but at the same time, I'd rather do it myself as I don't trust anyone but me to get it right 😂 But I guess I'll have to trust DH to do it right as I want him involved in the process in some way. I want it to feel like we're making this baby together. DH says he feels ok about the IVF, so yeah, no anxiety there 😁 I'm feeling excited but I know once we get started, I'd be so nervous! Is your DP ok with the prospect of IVF?

Our chats will change so much once we start IVF. We'll be talking about medication, and embryos, and embryo grades, and FET. I hope it works first time for both of us with loads to freeze 🤞

Congrats! Maternity leave and pay is so important so I'm glad you're in a more fortunate position with the permanent role!! I'm definitely staying at my current company until I've had all my kids, just for the maternity benefits. We'll probably go for a FET cycle before our youngest is 18 months so I still have another few years at the company. Do you think you'll stay at your company in the longterm?

Aww shame you can't see your dad but better safe than sorry. DH and I are staying at home too but I've spoken to my dad and also sent him a card. I have another four day work week so I might visit my parents on the Friday. Or maybe the Thursday after DH's SA, as that'll be in London as well.

Tomorrow I find out my TSH results! I hope it's normal 🤞🤞🤞 I also hope I can get a treatment consultation date in for before my next cycle 🤞🤞

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ButterscotchBabe · 20/06/2021 10:04

Spotting has started so af is imminent!

That's lucky your DH's SA is early enough not to affect DTD 😀. I don't think you should put too much pressure on yourself this cycle, this is potentially your last month of freedom! Take it easy, relax and have fun knowing that next month, the clinic will be making the baby for you 😊. We didn't purposely only DTD once but I think DP has lost interest as he knows we need IVF to conceive. We'll try and do it more next cycle, just in case.

I don't know how other areas work but here you get referred to the NHS fertility clinic. If they'll send you to a private clinic on the NHS then that would be great but check that all the costs would be covered. You don't need to have menstrual issues to have blocked tubes, my periods are pretty regular but my tubes are likely blocked with fluid. I'm sure yours will be fine but it would be nice to tick off that box!

Ah I didn't realise your scans were that far away, hmmm that will make it a bit more difficult. Do you have the option to take a long lunch and work later in the evening? I think it would depend on my Manager and whether they felt IVF was a medical need or a personal choice. Nobody wants to choose IVF, it becomes a necessity but some people, particularly men, may view it as optional.

Once we've chosen the first dance song, then we'll probably practice at home, so DP will get an idea of what moves work. It will also help once I've chosen my dress, so I'll know what kind of movement I'll have! I like the princess dress and a tight fitting/sexy dress, so complete opposites 😂😂.

I've booked log slices to hire at £2 each 😊, only downside of hiring is I won't see them until the day! That was a good idea to give your decanters to guests, you don't wanna be taking all them home 😂. I might try that!

Oooh that's a lot of changes but it will be nice to make the home truly yours, do you still plan on updating the bathroom? We're now using our savings to pay for the wedding, so we won't have a deposit for another year. So we'll probably look to buy after the wedding, aslong as we're not having to pay for IVF!

I think the hardest bit will be getting over the mental block of stabbing yourself, unless you can get your DH to do it! The daily injections are the bit I'm least looking forward to. I am also worried about EC but that's a one off (hopefully). How does your DH feel about it all? Although most of its happening to your body, so he shouldn't be feeling too anxious!

Yes my permanent position was confirmed 😀😀, which is great because now I'll get maternity pay on a higher rate (than my previous perm position).

Are you doing anything for Father's Day? We normally go and see my Dad but we're just staying at home this year. They're quite worried about catching covid and we met friends in the pub a few days ago, so it's prob safer to stay away until they've had both vaccines.

ButterscotchBabe · 19/06/2021 20:14

Experimenting with the cricut machine 😍😍

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unCliche · 19/06/2021 15:24

Yeah maybe DH and I are genetically incompatible. Maybe I'm too healthy. Maybe my body doesn't like his sperm. Maybe my body doesn't like our embryos (IVF should prove this)! But that's a really good idea! I never knew that about DTD around implantation time. Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe we'll DTD 6DPO, 8DPO and 10DPO this cycle. DH's SA is on CD11 so abstinence for the SA won't be during a crucial time. My last natural cycle before IVF!! I want to make it a good one. SO maybe I'll use pre-seed and take vitamins and quit alcohol and only eat healthy and do daily exercise 😂 Actually what I'll do is DTD EOD from DH's SA to when AF is due. You've only DTD once this cycle so far, do you think you're going to keep trying anyway?

Do you know if I'll be referred to an NHS fertility clinic or a private one? Because the closest private one to me is the initial one I went to back in January. I've read that you can request a private clinic on the NHS as that can speed things up, so do you think I should do that? I am quite interested in having my tubes checked but as a non-sufferer of menstrual issues, I can't imagine there'd be anything wrong.

The scans will be taking place in Oxford. It's an hours drive there and another hour's drive back. I'd want to leave home early so it means I'll be having at least 3-4 hours out of my day each time and it's not possible to take half days off at work either. Depending on how quickly my follicles develop, I won't be able to guess when EC would take place, nor would I be able to predict if I'd need a last minute day 3 transfer. The safest bet would be to take off the whole week of potential EC and ET. I think you can take a surgery off as sick leave! No question about it! Would IVF be classed as sick leave as it's not compulsory and more of a choice?

I did my blood test at abc (actually CREATE) so they'll have my results straight away. I won't be able to check it on patient access as it's not an NHS appointment 😔 so I'll just have to wait until Monday. Getting to the CREATE clinic was easy via train and the building seemed comfy and clean. I think I'll choose that location for EC and ET.

Haha do you think you'll be able to have a non-choreographed first dance? I struggled to do Greek dancing in my dress as my heels kept getting caught in the multiple linings of my dress. What sort of dress are you thinking? If it's not a big, poofy one, then you might be fine! You could practise in a dress that has a similar cut so you have an idea of what to expect on the dance floor. Or you could change into a simpler white dress for the rest of the evening. I changed twice during my wedding.

Aww bless her! She wants it to be perfect for you! Definitely look on facebook/gumtree etc for second hand log slices and other bits of decor. DH and I bought 29 decanters for the wedding and that's 29 more than we actually need so we gave them away as gifts to friends and family but a log slice would be a tricky gift to give away so I'm sure someone would be selling them (or giving them away) second hand.

I hope the cladding works! Leaky roof be gone! I'm thinking about redecorating the house. Putting down new wood flooring, new skirting boards, new doors and door frames. Not sure how much it'll cost, DH reckons £10k. But that's not a job for now. Maybe next year! When do you think you'll be looking to buy?

I feel ok about the injections I guess. I think it's the apprehension and the not knowing what to expect. But ladies on the abc ivf thread have said it doesn't even hurt but I'll just have to experience it myself first to no longer be nervous about it. What bit of IVF are you least looking forward to?

I know, so clueless and hopeful. We really did get dealt a bad hand but at least we're doing something about it. We've probably pushed each other quite a bit to get shit done 😂 but I believe we'll both get our babies very soon!

Yay! You know you have to send pics of everything! 😂 Let's see your cricut attempts!! Enjoy baking the cakes! We had friends over last night and they've left today so DH and I will just stay in bed and watch stuff 📺

I've been meaning to ask you about work. I know you got given a permanent position but there were some budgetary restrictions so they couldn't confirm it back then, but has it been confirmed now?

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ButterscotchBabe · 19/06/2021 10:12

It would definitely be worth having your tubes checked, like you say, you've tried a lot of different things and I would have expected it to happen by now. Maybe there is a physical blockage, or possibly an overactive immune system/NK cells. This cycle try DTD around implantation time, apparently having semen in the vagina at that time makes the womb more receptive to the embryo!

I will definitely be asking about the SA results but at my first ultrasound the consultant said the results were 'fine', so it's more important to have the MRI results, as that will dictate next steps. It would be a very short consultation if we only had the SA results to discuss. Clinic haven't come back to me yet, they're gonna have to next week as 5th July isn't far away! Yay that's great news you're going to be referred! It will probably be 8-12 weeks though before you have a consultation.

Do you need to take days off when you're having scans? As you're working from home, you could just pop out for the appointment? Just thinking it might be better to save a full days leave for when you really need it. You might feel quite uncomfortable just before and after EC, as your ovaries will be swollen! I haven't thought about it too much, it's much easier working from home and my work are very flexible with leave, so I don't think it will be a problem. If I need to have surgery on my tubes, I'm hoping they'll record it was sick leave or special leave and not make me use annual leave.

Yes you're right, I think you probably view the wedding quite differently afterwards, than during the planning! Whilst planning how many flowers will be on each table seems really important now, it won't be afterwards 😂😂. Yes well remembered, we do modern jive 😊, our dances have never been choreographed, DP leads and I follow. He'll choose what moves to do based on the music and what he feels like 😂. Although one thing we won't be able to practice for, is the dress, that could make jive dancing more tricky!

Ideally I wanted to give my aunt some money and let her organise the centerpieces but I think she was worried she'd pick vases/jugs that I didn't like. So she's asked me to get those and the log slices, and she'll sort the flowers.

Oh no, another leak! Fingers crossed it stops raining! Will the cladding stop any further leaks happening? We've had no rain here for a while but the grass needs it, it's starting to go brown 😂.

How did your blood test go? When will you find out the results? If you have a patient access account you can probably find out sooner. Yay exciting times! How do you feel about the injections now you've had time to think about it?

Aww yes it definitely was fate 😊, thanks for the throwback link, that was funny to read! I feel sorry for our younger selves, thinking we had a chance of conceiving back then 😂😭.

Aww April could end up being a busy month! That's perfect timing though, you don't want to be heavily pregnant in the summer 🥵.

I've worked out how to write in foil, I spoke to a cricut advisor on their website chat 😊. So really happy about that! I'm gonna spend today baking cakes and practicing using the cricut machine. Do you have any plans for today? Hopefully it's not still raining!

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unCliche · 18/06/2021 11:49

I would have liked to take the SI on CD4 but worried it wouldn't strengthen my egg enough so I'm starting today on CD5. Another double ovulation would be amazing! But maybe a single strong egg would be better. I feel like I've tried everything, and nothing has worked. Tried to fix LP, tried to fix progesterone, tried to fix strength of ovulation, tried lots of sex, tried very little sex, tried no sex, tried going all in, tried having a break, tried vitamins, tried without vitamins, tried with preseed, tried without preseed, tried before ovulation, tried during ovulation, tried after ovulation 😅 I don't even know what to try this cycle. Maybe nothing?

Good news about having a new consultation booked in. Looks like being on the NHS waiting list isn't so bad since you got an earlier date!! Do you think you could discuss your DH's SA results then too? Or do you defo want to wait for an MRI first? Have the clinic gotten back to you about the MRI? I spoke with my GP this morning and she'll be referring us to a fertility specialist. So I guess I'll be starting tests on the NHS too! It would be good to do abc and NHS in parallel in case the first round of IVF doesn't work.

I usually am allowed to take leave when I ask, I've even asked last minute and gotten it (policy is 2 weeks in advance), but there needs to be people available to carry any additional workload. That's a good idea though, I don't need to take the full two weeks off but it'll be hard knowing what day EC and ET will fall on as it'll depend on when AF shows up and when my eggs are ready so it would probably be safer to take that whole week off (W/C 19th) but maybe take off the individual days that the scans fall on (CD5, CD7, CD9 & CD11). Have you thought about how you'd fit IVF around work (or rather, work around IVF)? I think we're lucky we work from home so it might be a little easier to do so.

Haha! Good point! Might as well drink all the alcohol and eat all the junk food I want! I hope my body forgives me and doesn't make me fat 😂 Bless DH, he was so relieved when I told him I'd be taking the bus instead 😂😂😂

As the bride, you'll just have to let go of control and let the disaster unfold around you 😂 You'll be so preoccupied with taking photos, and doing speeches, and first dances and cutting the cake that you won't even acknowledge that time exists. The important thing is that DH and I got married and the guests had a good time. Everything else is just trivial now. Will you and your DP choreograph you first dance?? Since you both do jive (I hope that's right?)

Cuuute decor! I think that'll look lovely! Especially with your colour scheme. Will your aunt be making these?

It's been raining heavily and non-stop here!! We have a leak again 😪 Can't wait to sort it out but there's a lead time of 8-10 weeks so we have ages to wait before it can be fixed. We have a bay window just like in the image, with a gable roof on top and the water is coming in above the window. So, like shown in the image, we're going to get cladding fitted to the face of the gable to stop the water dripping in. Price was reasonable, like £1300 but that's because we need scaffolding as well (annoyingly). Have you had any rain?

It's a shame rabbits aren't cuddly pets. They're always portrayed as cute and loving but they're miserable little f**kers 😂😂😂 Aski has done a better job at supporting me emotionally than the rabbits could ever do but somehow, I still love em!! They're my babies 🥰

Aww if you ever need to talk, I'm always here anyway! You needn't feel like you have no one! I may not understand the intricacies of what you're going through but I'm always happy to listen!!

I'll be leaving for London soon to have my blood test! I'm so excited!! I'll probably be booking my treatment consultation and paying my deposit on Monday!! Can't believe it's happening! I hope my TSH comes back fine because an unexpected delay would be the worst! I still can't believe we started this journey together when I was on cycle 2 and you were on cycle 4 and 8/9 cycles later and we're still where we started and now both looking towards IVF. What are the chances that we both would be needing fertility assistance 😂 it's fate we found each other 💕

Throwback!

If IVF works first round with a fresh transfer, I'll be having an April baby! My mum and youngest sister were both born in April. My sister was born 3 days after my mums birthday but was actually due on my mum's birthday itself! How sweet! Spring baby 🌱

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ButterscotchBabe · 17/06/2021 22:40

That's good your af has been a bit heavier, hopefully you're getting a good amount of womb lining! Oooh so you're gonna give it a go on CD4, I think you'll def get another double ovulation. Good luck for your DH's SA next week, it will be interesting to compare with the previous results, fingers crossed things have improved 😊.

That's interesting your having your vaccine at a similar time in your cycle as I had mine. If your temps go awry as well, then we know it was from the vaccine!

Does your work operate a first come, first serve basis for taking annual leave? My work is quite flexible and generally always approves leave but if too many people want the same time off, it will be given to those who asked first. If you can't get the whole 2 weeks off, you could ask for day of EC, day after and day of ET? Ah I didn't know there was a higher chance of the egg splitting with ICSI! If they put two in, you could end up with 4 😱😱.

Yes I received a letter with a new consultation date for 5th July, a day earlier than my previous appointment 😀. However I still don't have a date for my MRI and we need those results for the consultation. So I've emailed the clinic and asked them to look into it. Fingers crossed they'll be able to sort the MRI soon.

Aww that's probably a good thing, cycling on the road is really dangerous. It's not worth the risk, find a nice scenic cycle route 🙂. Well if you get a BFP you'll have to be healthy for 9 months, so you might as well treat yourself now 😂😂.

I have watched some how-to YouTube videos but because the design space has had an update, many of the functions have changed and therefore I can't follow older videos ☹️. I'll have to keep an eye out for new ones!

That's a real shame nothing went to plan after spending so long organising the day! I can't imagine myself letting go of control, I'll probably have the 'order of the day' on my phone and keep checking the time 😂😂.

Maybe when the time comes around you might feel differently and want to plan the vow renewal. Then again you might have 3 kids and no spare time 😂.

The images I've attached are the kind of thing I'm thinking of for the tables 😊.

I've come across many "friends" that have been quite careless and selfish and just prioritise their needs. It's a shame but there are quite a few people like that!

For the party I was planning on ordering in food, maybe a few party selections from Waitrose or M&S but it's gonna depend on numbers. I've left the cake in DP's capable hands... 😬😬. Oooh I love Dominos pizza! DP hates it though!

They're in their hutch at night and we put them in the outdoor run during the day. It's gonna be a problem if it rains though, hopefully it won't for the next couple of weeks! Lol rabbits love to run away from us! Why can't they just want cuddles?! 😂

Aww that's nice you've told your immediate family and at least they no what you're going through now, so no more pregnancy questions! I don't think I will tell anyone else, I'm not on very good terms with my Mum, and my Dad and brothers probably aren't interested or wouldn't understand.

Rct4 · 17/06/2021 19:56

Hey. New here wondering if I could jump on and see what you all think.

I had a miscarriage back in feb and have been trying ever since. So I was due on AF on Tuesday but it came on Friday 5 days early which is unusual, I did a test anyway from some reason 🤷🏻‍♀️ and was negative. Anyway the period was different, last a day really then a little bit here and there till the Monday against so unusual for me. So now 6 days on I've been feel really crampy and I had this when I got pregnant with my son and something kept telling me to test so I did and got 3 very faint lines and I did a digital that said 1-2 weeks. Thing is I positive it's going to be a miscarriage because I bleed on Friday. I'm just so confused. Has anyone else had anything like this and had a healthy pregnancy? Thanks

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unCliche · 17/06/2021 19:10

AF still going strong! Might be a 5/6 day AF! It sort of slowed down yesterday evening but today it still managed to fill up my menstrual cup! Maybe my endometrium was too heavy so it started shedding early hence the two days of spotting 😂 who knows 🤷‍♀️ I'll be taking SI from tomorrow. My hormones are probably unbalanced and I suspect estrogen dominance but there are people in worse fertility positions than me who manage to get pregnant! I suspect DH's sperm have gotten worse. He was on expensive fertility vitamins when he did his first SA and I worry since coming off them, his sperm have regressed. But we'll find out next week!! He's back on vitamins.

Aww yay! Your temps are doing well. It is increasing quite a bit compared to your other 7DPO temps. I don't think you should discount a longer LP this cycle. You could easily have a 10/11 day LP. I've booked my vaccine for 28th June (CD15) so I'll be ovulating around that time. Let's see what it does to my temps 😁

I'm currently trying to book two weeks off work for when scans and EC/ET would be. So W/C 12th and 19th July but there are other colleagues booking those weeks off too and we can't have too many people away at the same. I'll just have to ask again and hope he says yes! It just feels awkward telling my male boss I'm going through IVF 😅 With ICSI there's a higher chance of the embryo splitting but I'll be just as happy with one baby! Maybe I'll ask for two embryos to be transferred and see what they say. Any news on the NHS front? You heard anything back from them?

Yes, I bought the bike but decided I'll get the bus to the station tomorrow because I'm too chicken to cycle on the road 😂 Good luck with the diet! I'm not very good at controlling my food so exercise it is for me! I've been eating so much sugar and drinking alcohol these past few days. Definitely not doing a good job at preparing my body for IVF. But I will start the folic acid today. I have enough Vit D from the sun!

Haha! Oh dear! Cricut is a good brand so you'll find lots of use for it. Have you been watching youtube videos on how to use it? That's awesome! We have a hobbycraft here but I rarely visit. But if your Etsy shop kicks off then you'll probably be in there everyday!

I'd looooove to plan a wedding again! But what disappointed me was the fact nothing went to plan on the day! And that's because I wasn't the one in control. I had to be the bride 😡 I even considered going into wedding planning because I loved it that much. I think in the future I'll have someone else plan our vow renewal.

Rustic/glam is interesting 😂 You'll definitely have to share some ideas here!!

I guess that's just who she is as a person. She's constantly falling out with people so I suppose she's just not very good at being there for other people. Do you know anyone like that?

Aww fun!! I must attend now! I hope there are no clashes for real so I can be there. I'll be around CD16 so I may have already had the ET so might be able to come! Let's hope so 🤞 Do you have anything else planned for your party? Will you be doing the cooking? For DH's surprise 30th I ordered 6 boxes of Dominos pizza but baked his cake.

😱 I've never experienced spraying because mine were outdoors but sounds like a nightmare. Are you leaving them in their hutch? Nope, it was only time that sorted out the wriggling behaviour. Neutering won't stop them being fearful of being picked up but just keep doing it. They'll get used to it. I sometimes have to chase my rabbits around to catch them but once I've caught them, they're really sensible and they don't try to wriggle away. Even when grey rabbit's bottom was covered in poop I was extremely surprised with how calm he was with all the manhandling - made our job so easy.

My mum was surprisingly chill. She was so nonchalant about it like it wasn't a big deal. I was shocked. But maybe now she can stop asking me if I'm pregnant yet 😂 Told my sisters today too. Youngest is excited for a baby 😂😂😂 Will you be telling anymore family members? I'm a bit nervous it won't work! I just feel like I'm shrouded in bad luck! I've been reading so many IVF/ICSI threads just to get prepared.

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ButterscotchBabe · 17/06/2021 17:23

How's your af doing today? I don't think lots of spotting and light af is a good thing, it indicates low progesterone or a hormone imbalance. Really you need an NHS fertility specialist to look into all your results and investigate what's going on. ABC won't be able to fix the problem but I guess that doesn't matter if you end up with a baby 😀.

Temp went up this morning but they've mostly been less than previous cycles, so it will likely be a short LP for me. Probably caused by the vaccine! Yeh you could always give a compromised immune system a go 😂. A lot of ladies have said they felt ill before finding out they were pregnant.

Good luck getting things moving with ABC again 🙂. With regards to telling your boss, I guess you need to think about, how would you feel if it didnt work and then you'd have to explain that to him? How does ICSI increase your chance of twins? It increases the chance of more eggs being fertilised but you'll only get twins if they put two in. Unfortunately if your embryos are of good quality, they'll only transfer one. Twins would be amazing though, imagine only having to be pregnant once! 😀

Did you end up purchasing the bike? I can cycle but I don't have a bike, I don't like getting a sweaty bum 😂😂😂. I normally lose weight through dieting, exercise is too difficult 😂. I'll probably cut calories and do some squats or other strength training to build muscle.

I've damaged the mat, I accidentally got one of the foil sheets on the sticky mat and now it's covered in foil 🤦. I could probably still return it and pay for a new mat but I think I'll keep it. I'll just have to make the most of its other functions. You can also get an engraving tool which is cool! A new Hobbycraft store is opening nearby, can't wait!!

I need an Etsy shop to make back all the money I've spent on crafts 😂😂. You're very creative, you could definitely have a shop, think of something simple that's easily replicable and that wouldn't be too time consuming to make.

DP was pretty happy with the ski table names, don't think he expected me to suggest that 😂. DP prefers the rustic look, I prefer contemporary and glam. So I'm trying to create a rustic/glam look! Do you think you would renew your vows in the future? Would you want to plan a wedding again?

😱😱 Omg that's awful of that Bridesmaid! She should never have accepted the offer if she wasn't interested. That's a Bridesmaids from hell story 😂😂. Do you have any idea why she acted like that? Could it have been jealousy?

I've bought a giant Jenga game for the party and we have skittles, so fingers crossed it will be a lovely sunny afternoon! Hopefully you can make it but it will also be amazing if you have an embryo transfer!!

We don't currently have any plans in August so I can do any date 😊, a Saturday would be best.

The rabbits are okay thanks but we're not allowing them to play in the house anymore, until they've been neutered. The little rascals spray everywhere! They've also become very difficult to pick up, they hate it and constantly wriggle. Did yours allow you to hold them more after being neutered? Thanks for the advice, I hadn't been checking their bottoms but I will try, although it will be difficult!!

Oh wow that's a big step telling your Mum about the IVF, how did she react? Was she surprised? Haha that's funny, it's a shame they have restrictions on the embryo transfer number ☹️.

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unCliche · 16/06/2021 13:24

Told my mum about IVF 😂😂😂 she was like they should put in as many embryos as possible! 😂😂😂

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unCliche · 16/06/2021 11:18

Haha! 3 eggs 😱😱😱 I could try SI on CD4. Maybe my ovulation date will change as well. My AF seems lighter, not sure if it's a good or bad thing. Especially with all the spotting I had!

Have you done an overlay to see how your current temps compare with your previous cycles? I think it's sensible to expect a weird cycle after the covid vaccine, then you won't feel as worried about your body. I should book mine for this cycle tbh. Maybe a compromised immune system will help me get pregnant 😂

I was able to get a copy of my rubella results so I've sent that over to abc, so all that's left is the blood test on Friday, which I'll be doing with abc, so they'll pretty much have the result for that straight away. By next week Monday, everything they need will be with them so I'm hoping to have the treatment consultation booked in a couple of weeks before my next cycle starts. They'll give me dates of scans during the consultation so I'll be able to know when to take time off work - not sure if I should tell my boss we're having IVF though. He's a good boss and we're pretty close, well as close as managers and staff can get. We've also booked another SA for DH for next week although they were happy for us to submit his previous one despite it being "a year" out of date 😂 I'm also really excited for ICSI. It increases our chances of twins which means never having to TTC again!!! I'll be travelling to London for the blood test so I want to buy a bike so I can cycle to the train station and back.

You can definitely do 10lbs in a year! I'm sure you'll look gorgeous in your dress! When we visited Brighton over the bank holiday, we hired bikes and cycled back and forth between our hotel and the city centre. I really enjoy cycling so I hope to do it regularly. I'm going to look at a used bike today and maybe buy it! And hopefully that can add to my weight loss too. Do you cycle? Have you planned how you're going to lose the weight - exercise, diet or both?

Could you return it? You've had it for less than 14 days so I'm sure you're allowed to. My machine is a Silhouette Cameo 4. The basic software is free, and printing text is free but there are also premium features but I've never needed them. An Etsy shop will be nice, lots of people want creative and handmade things like that. I'd love to make money on the side but not sure what I could do!

She probably wasn't a very good landlord because she allowed them to do whatever they wanted to the house! They even had dogs (x2). Luckily I was able to get the dog smell out with bottles upon bottles of Febreze! It makes sense why it was sold slightly underpriced.

Haha typical men! Ski resorts is a good idea for table names! It's so hard finding something unique but relevant to you so I think that's a really good idea! I hope your DP likes the idea too. DH likes my taste so the planning was easy, we never disagreed on much but compromises were made (like the colour of his suit). He took care of the alcohol of course and we worked on the wedding programme together but I mostly oversaw everything. It's nice your DP wants to get involved though because then it feels like it's both of your wedding.

I probably didn't tell you about my bridesmaid then! We really have talked about so much that it feels like I have but I probably haven't! So basically, she never really got involved. When plans were being made and meet ups being organised she would never be available or respond. She never attended my bachelorette, when all the bridesmaids dresses were being ordered she never submitted her measurements in time so she had to order hers herself and got the measurements all wrong so her dress came out too short. The dress was delivered to my parents place and she lived just 10 minutes away. We told her to collect the dress so she could sort it out with the company. She never bothered to collect it and the window for her to get the dress fixed was getting smaller and smaller. Then she messaged and said she didn't want to be a bridesmaid anymore. I persuaded her to stay but she continued being unreliable. Didn't bother communicating, ignored lots of messages so I got fed up and told her I didn't want her as a bridesmaid anymore because she wasn't being helpful and she was making my job harder. And we haven't spoken since! She deleted me off social media too. So definitely pick your bridesmaids wisely 😂

Sorry you can't get a venue booked! That's really annoying but a garden party is definitely better because you can do whatever you want!! I can't wait to meet you!! You literally know more about me too than anyone else, still trying to decide whether to tell my parents about the IVF!! I also want to be at your party! It will depend on whether I do a freeze all cycle or not, if I do an embryo transfer this cycle then I won't be able to make it, if not then I will!! Let's put a date in our calendars to meet up regardless of your party. It might have to be in August though as we have plans for our June weekends.

How are your rabbits? In the summer definitely check them over more often. They're still young and healthy but it's still good to check their bottoms as if it's poopy, flies can lay their eggs in their fur and the maggots can eat into their skin and it's a pretty painful and fatal predicament (it's called fly strike). Since my grey rabbit has history of a poopy bottom, I have to check him over often, especially since he's outside. Flies are the worst! We got maggots in our food bin 🤢🤢🤢

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ButterscotchBabe · 15/06/2021 21:14

You could try taking the SI on different days? I think last time you started on CD5, you could try starting on CD4? Might release 3 eggs!

Good work on getting things moving with the next tests, it's such a long waiting game! If I haven't had my MRI date or consultation date by end of this week, I'll contact the clinic again 🙄.

My temp went up slightly this morning but still low so I dunno what's going on, rubbish body!

I haven't done anything fitness related for a while 😂, my body has gone very soft! Yes definitely plan on losing weight for the wedding, 10lbs is the goal. I've got over a year, so no excuse 😂😂. That's funny you lost more weight after your wedding, I think most women put it on 😂. I suppose you didn't have the honeymoon to indulge ☹️.

I wish I'd researched into Cricut a lot more before buying, most of the patterns/images/text are chargeable, only a small amount is free. It's like buying a printer and then paying everytime you want to print 🤔. It's a cool machine and hopefully I'll be able to make some lovely things but it's definitely an expensive hobby. Other than wedding stuff, I'd like to make some pretty cards and maybe start an Etsy shop. Which cutter do you have, is it a Cricut one?

Surely tenants shouldn't be ripping anything out?! I wonder if the landlord knew what they were up to!

Well to start with DP wasn't that interested in the planning and so I had carefully planned everything just how I wanted it. Now we've booked a venue and it's all real, DP is wanting more involvement! Which is difficult because I've already planned it all now 😂😂. I did say we could have the table names as ski resorts, he loves skiing! Did you and your DH disagree on much with the wedding?

DP's family are quite unpleasant, so it's really not a shame 😂😂. I hope those 2 bridesmaids didn't affect your day at all. I'm not sure if you did mention it but I'm sorry if I've forgotten ☹️. I think we've covered so much about our lives on these messages. Other than DP, you know more about me than pretty much anyone, it will be lovely to meet you in person! 😊

I'm gonna have a birthday bash in our garden, it seems venues just aren't interested in taking larger bookings. It's a shame because they're allowed to outside but DP thinks they don't want the bad publicity of a large group.

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unCliche · 15/06/2021 13:00

AF going on as normal. I was a bit crampy yesterday but mostly fine today. The soy didn't do much to help my cycle if I'm honest nor did it do much to mess it up either so I'm thinking about taking it again this cycle in case I get another double ovulation, just to increase our chances one last time.

When AF started, it definitely gave me a push to sort out the results I need. I've booked a TSH blood test for this Friday. I've emailed my GP for a written copy of my Rubella results (which came back as 'detected', phew! I wouldn't want to have to delay things by waiting for a MMR vaccine), I also have an appointment with my GP on Friday to talk about doing actual day 3 blood tests and next steps. Next AF due 9th July so I suppose the countdown to IVF can start now.

I hope I've gained muscle! Have you been doing any workouts? Do you plan on losing weight for the wedding? I lost about 11kg total. I think around my wedding time, I'd lost about 6kg and then I lost the remaining 5kg after the wedding. And I've put back on 6kg but now trying to lose just 3kg to get to 60kg. I think that's a more sustainable weight for me. Being 57kg was great but unsustainable in the long term. BMI is currently 23 but I want to be smack bang in the middle of the normal range, so about 21-22.

Oh your temps are interesting. But do you think maybe the vaccine artificially increased your post-O temps and now it's falling down to it's normal post-O level? What did it do today?

Yaaay for the Cricut machine, boo for the premium software! The machine is expensive enough without having to pay for extras. With how much it costs, the software and all its features should come as a freebie! The debossing tool might be the way forward. What ideas do you have for the machine?

I'm sure it was the tenants that were renting the house before we bought it. They did so much random nonsense to the house itself that I wouldn't be surprised if it was them! Apparently, there used to be decking in that part of the garden, so not sure why they ripped it out! And not sure why they thought burying plastic was a good idea too!! It really annoys me!!

Haha of course the wine theme was DH's idea 😂 he put his own stamp on the wedding too. Does your DP have any ideas he'd like to add to the wedding?

Oh that's a shame your DP's family aren't coming 😔 But your cousins are good ages to be bridesmaids because you definitely need people who will help you and not slow you down. I have a younger female cousin who I had to leave out of the bridal party because she was just too young and no one would have the time to look after her. I think I might have told you about the bridesmaid that I fell out with because she wasn't being very cooperative? Then another bridesmaid didn't show up. She told me the day before the wedding she thinks she might have covid. Annoying.

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ButterscotchBabe · 14/06/2021 23:00

Oh no, sorry af arrived, that's rubbish ☹️, at least you were expecting it with the spotting and drop in temp. I wonder if the estrogen boost will make your af any different, I guess it's already started off different by having extra days of spotting.

Has your af arriving made you feel any different about starting IVF?

Well done on losing a kilo! Because you're doing quite manual labour, you've probably lost more than a kilo in fat and gained some muscle 😀.

Our cycles have both been strange this time! Today I've had backache and ovulation pain, even though I apparently ovulated a few days ago. Also had a temp drop so no idea what's going on but looks like I'll probably have an 8 or 9 day LP. It's probably something to do with the vaccine but I haven't had the chance to look it up.

Had a crazy busy day at work and the cricut machine arrived, which I was very excited about. However I'm now quite annoyed, after spending ages trying to get the machine to write in foil (I've bought foil paper and the foil transfer tool), I've discovered in the latest update to their software, they have removed this function. So now I either need to pay for the premium version or buy a debossing tool 😡.

Omg that's awful of the previous owner to hide all that rubbish under the grass 😱. Unless they didn't know and it was the person before them. Well done on digging it all out! You'll be so pleased when it's done and it will definitely be worth it! The bugs and wildlife will love you for getting that crap out the ground 😊.

I'm guessing the wine theme was your DH's idea?? Aww you had a flower arch, that's lovely! I thought about having a flower arch but the gazebo will be dressed up, so we might not need one.

My female cousins are 15, 17 & 21, so they're all a fair bit younger than me. Howcome you lost 2 bridesmaids? I'm planning on having 4 in total, 3 x cousins and 1 x friend. DP only has brothers but none of his family are coming!

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unCliche · 14/06/2021 14:13

It's here!!!

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unCliche · 14/06/2021 12:51

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unCliche · 14/06/2021 12:50

The suspense is killing meeee! Day 3 of spotting but it hasn't gotten heavier 😪 Anxiously waiting for AF to start!! My temp today is already my lowest 11DPO temp ever, so it's coming, but when???

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unCliche · 13/06/2021 20:49

That's pretty awesome then! CD14 plus a good length LP would be amazing. Have you done any googling to see if there's a link between the vaccine and the menstrual cycle? Aww that's a shame your DP feels that way but at least he's very supportive of you - I think that's everything you need. You're still getting EWCM? If I remember correctly, in the past you've experienced EWCM after ovulation right?

I spotted some more this morning. It was there when I wiped and then I checked my cervix and it was lots of brown blood. So far AF has stayed away but now I'm fully expecting her tomorrow. It's the only logical conclusion to this cycle. I tested with an IC and BFN. Unsurprising but a bit upsetting. I just feel annoyed that even with a doubled chance of conception it still didn't happen. DH's weight loss has gone absolutely nowhere, so no point expecting anything from that respect. I on the other hand have lost a kilo from working in the garden 💪 Boobs still hurt but not excruciatingly and I'm pleased I only get a couple of days of boob pain instead of a week!

I think I will just work on getting the test results they need. I'll basically need to book in a TSH blood test and SA for DH. Maybe we'll do it at a London clinic and make a day trip out of it. I'll also need to call my GP about my Rubella status as it wasn't on my medical file as well as booking in actual day 3 tests 😅 But day 3 is imminent so it won't be the next cycle but probably the cycle after 🤦‍♀️ Yeah, I have a letter outlining my scan results that I did in January but nothing from abc. I'll see if I can request a summary from them too, that might help too.

Eeeee sooo exciting!! Definitely reach out for tips using the Cricut machine. I make my designs on Adobe Illustrator but I'm sure the machine will come with its own software, You're already very creative so you'll definitely get the hang of it pretty easily. I loved, loved, loved all the creative aspects of my wedding, I literally thrived off the creativity. I'd love to do it again! So I think you'll really enjoy it too. It's such a worthwhile distraction.

Haha omg! Imagine if he faints after every one of your injections 😂😂 You'll probably end up doing them yourself!

Our garden looks a hot mess 😂😂😂 I have loads of before pics but I'm starting to prefer the before to be honest! But I know it'll look worse before it looks better. We've already filled one skip and need to hire another one! I don't know what the previous owner of our house did, but the bottom of the garden fills me with rage. We unearthed an area and there was little bits of plastic, glass and random shit stuffed underneath a layer of a sort of weed barrier fabric. Lots of concrete slabs and bricks stuffed underneath this fabric, and it pretty much covers a good portion of the back of the garden. And then on top of it, they put topsoil to hide all their sins. So now we're basically in the process of removing all this topsoil so we can remove the fabric and all the rubbish they stuffed underneath it 😠😠😠 (To summarise: Topsoil > bricks and slabs > weed barrier > more bricks and slabs and random bits of rubbish, plastic, glass, wood > another weed barrier (!!!!!!) > normal untouched soil, phew!)

Awww amazing! Sounds like she was very keen to get involved!! So glad she's on board - I'm sure it'll all look lovely on the day 💕 I didn't have too many flower pieces at my wedding. The centrepiece was a decanter filled with wine as it was wine themed. The flower arch that we used as a backdrop during our ceremony was reused in the reception as a backdrop for the top table. So you can definitely think about reusing flowers from one room to the next.

Pretty much all my cousins were bridesmaids. How old are your cousins? Mine were all 17+ years old (x2 sisters, x3 cousins, x4 friends (but I ended up losing two of them, one I no longer talk to), x1 DH's sister) How many bridesmaids do you think you'll have? Does your DP have sisters? Having a relationship with cousins is great. I'm really close to mine. I hope this will be the start to a beautiful relationship for you!

Haha!! Nooooo I'm on cycle 10 going onto cycle 11 😂😂😂 So you're definitely on cycle 12 now. How depressing! 😂😂😂 I'll probably make a decision on IVF never! Haha no, probably once I'm all depressed from AF starting, that will spur me to get some things done.

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ButterscotchBabe · 13/06/2021 09:56

Looks like I did ovulate on Thursday, CD14, yes that's my earliest ovulation yet! Hmmm I do wonder if the vaccine caused it, bit of a coincidence! We haven't DTD much, DP and I both felt ill earlier in the week and I think DP isn't that bothered about trying anymore, as it's become clear it's not gonna happen naturally.

Sorry to see your temp coming down ☹️, fingers crossed af stays away today so you at least get a 10 day LP. I remember seeing on pregnancy charts, the temp does go up and down, so you're not out yet!

Glad to hear your rash has gone! That's so weird, you're only just getting boob pain at 9DPO. How is it today? If af doesn't arrive today, will you test tomorrow?

That's interesting, I guess that's where we differ, I'm more relaxed with things I have no control of. That said, I have had to calm my frustrations at the fertility clinic's slowness! Take action with the things you can control and try to stay calm with the things you cannot, you can relax knowing you're still young and you've got a good egg reserve 🙂.

What's the next steps with the NHS? Did you manage to arrange Day 3 bloods? Do you have the information from previous ultrasounds you've had privately? If you can get hold of that it will speed up your treatment when they refer you.

I looked up the cricut machine and it's reduced in price as there's a new model out, so I've bought it 😀. Gonna use it to make all the wedding stationery except invitations 😱😱. At least I've got a year 😂😂.

No idea why DP faints, he doesn't have a fear of needles and he's fine whilst having the injection, it just seems to be an after effect! I've told him he's gonna need to inject me when we have IVF, it will be interesting to see if he faints when injecting someone else! 😂

Your garden must look quite different already, did you take any before pictures?

So as I was showing my aunt pictures of flowers and wedding breakfast table ideas, she said "oh I can get those", so she kinda offered before I asked 😀😀. She did say it's a lot of work for 1 person though, when she worked as a florist, they normally had 2 or 3 people to set up for a wedding. So I'll need to scale down the amount of flowers I was planning.

I also told her I was thinking of asking my cousin's (her daughters) to be bridesmaids, which she thought was a lovely idea. It's a bit awkward because I don't know them very well, as my Mum fell out with my aunt when we were young (and my Mum still avoids her). But hopefully this will be an opportunity to get to know my cousin's better.

Hahaha it's the glimmer of hope each cycle that keeps us going! I don't think I'd have been so positive if someone had told me a year ago it wouldn't have happened by now. Are we on cycles 9 and 11 now? I've literally lost track 😂. Aww thanks 🥰 and thank you for your support too! It's been so lovely having someone to go through this journey with, who understands what it's like! And the journey is far from over, still a long way to go. When do you think you'll make a decision on the IVF?