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unCliche · 22/11/2020 11:31

Hey @ButterscotchBabe! Continuing our chat here 😁

I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news!

Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me.

I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too.

I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you!

I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

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unCliche · 27/03/2021 13:52

Aw! It's still a good thing that's happened. I get why it sucks knowing you weren't their first choice but at least you weren't their last! Plus it doesn't change the fact you got the job you wanted! So once again, well done and congratulations! You beat a lot of people and made it to the top 3 👏👏👏

Is your time to ovulation getting longer? You used to mostly ovulate around CD16. Anyway, the time you take to ovulate doesn't really matter when you ovulate every month anyway! Our bodies are being so weird this cycle! Without the pain, do you know which side you ovulated on? Your charts looks alright though. Stable FP temps and rising LP temps. Maybe it'll just take longer to reach 36.6 but you'll have another longer LP.

Good thing you ovulated before you had to stop DTD! Defo better timing than me and DH not being able to DTD during a crucial moment in my cycle 😂 I'll have to strategically book the next SA in. Maybe for during my LP.

Boobs are painless so I'm wondering if I even ovulated. I keep jiggling them to see if I can feel any pain but nothing and CM has been very scarce so hard to tell what's happening. Oh well, I'd already counted this cycle out so I'm not expecting anything. Thankfully my ovaries have stopped hurting now.

I feel bad for those who can't get pregnant with IVF on the NHS 😟 more needs to be done to help them. So I definitely agree that the NHS should fund however many tries it takes. Does your NHS have age limits for IVF ? Many women don't start trying until after 35 and by then it's too late for them to get IVF on the NHS if they can't conceive 😟😟 they should increase it to 40.

I don't think I could donate my eggs. Just the knowledge that I could have a child out there. I'm not sure how I'd feel. It's a tricky one. But at the same time, we know what it's like to struggle conceiving, I'd love to give someone the joy of pregnancy. Would you do it for free IVF?

Haha! Once a week is better than nothing! Maybe you can make some sugar free cakes. Then you'll feel justified only working out once a week 😂 if I'm honest, that is more than enough exercise anyway 😂😂 I joined DH on his walk yesterday and today. So tiring.

I currently work from the living room on the sofa but I'm building a fold down table for the office so it can go down when the sofa bed comes out. Where do you work from?

She's a colleague. My boss was very diplomatic in his response 😂😂😂 but I wouldn't expect anything else.

Yeah DH was home. We both rolled our eyes at each other and went back to work. Nothing was illegal. They're just old, nosy and bored.

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ButterscotchBabe · 27/03/2021 10:10

Haha thanks, I did have a few drinks last night but the excitement has kinda passed. It would have felt like a celebration if I'd been told shortly after the interview but knowing I came 3rd and then for the past few weeks knowing I 'might' be offered a role, kinda took the excitement out of it.

Not sure exactly when I ovulated, I think it was overnight between CD18 & CD19. Although I've had no ovulation pain which is unusual, the last few cycles ovulation pain has been quite significant! Bit concerned my last two temps haven't hit 36.6, that's not a good sign, probably means I'll end up with another short LP.

I'm not sure what type of scan I'll get but I guess it would be internal as they'll be able to see more that way! Yeh I think DP is still feeling okay about the SA, we need to DTD tomorrow and then can't again until after he's provided the sample on Wednesday.

So your 6/7DPO today, now in the implantation zone! How are your boobs today? That will be very interesting if you got ovulation pain and no sore boobs, the complete opposite of what normally happens!

Oh gosh yes with the fertility drugs we'll definitely get lots more symptoms! Are you gonna do your second progesterone test this cycle? If so you'd probably need to do it today?

That's good your BMI is within the healthy range 😊. I guess it's more important for the female to be healthy because our bodies do most of the work! Normally one IVF cycle would also include freezing any additional embryos, so that if the first cycle failed they would fund FET until you got pregnant or the embryos ran out. The worry is if you didn't get any embryos from the first cycle, then you'd have to pay to try again. Yes it is very unfair to those who can't afford it ☹️. I think the NHS should fund whatever it takes to enable a couple to have their first child.

That's a difficult one, I don't think I would like someone else giving birth to mine and DP's child. I'm sure we'll never be in a position where we can't use either of my eggs or DP's sperm. Would you consider donating your eggs? My clinic basically does IVF for free if you donate eggs.

😂😂😂 I've only been working out about once a week and then eating for the rest of it! DP keeps telling me it's my turn to make cakes!

Do you work on the dining table as well or do you have a separate area?

What a bitch! Was she a customer or a colleague? Hopefully your boss was on your side.

Oh no, that's not nice to experience when you've just moved to a new area! They could have politely asked for it to be cleaned up, I don't get why they cleaned it themselves and then moaned about it?! Also the CCTV evidence is irrelevant, I don't think what they did was illegal. Hopefully you won't bump into them too often! Was your DH at home when this happened?

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unCliche · 26/03/2021 11:17

Woooooo!! Great news! Congrats girl! I knew you could do it! Have you celebrated? I'll have to raise a glass for you this evening.

Happy ovulation day! We're so far apart now! 😣CD9 should still be able to show a growing endometrium lining and maybe some growing follicles too. When I had my scan, I was on CD15 and just about to ovulate so we could see the dominant follicle at its full size and then I ovulated that evening. Will it be an internal or external scan or both? I had a wand thing stuck up me.

They'll probably send you a letter again with your results but calling them should definitely get you a quicker response. I don't think you'd need a consultant to tell you the results, you'll probably only need one to explain it. Not long now for your DP's SA. Is he still feeling calm about it?

I'm 5/6DPO today. Yesterday I had terrible ovarian pain. I think my corpus luteum cyst must be huge or something because the area is really tender to touch. I'm in pain now and I don't know why it's so painful this cycle. My boobs and nipples aren't sore at all - not even a little bit. We shall find out by the end of today (assuming 5DPO) if I'll be getting sore boobs this cycle - or maybe sore ovaries is my body's chosen PMS symptom of the month.

It'll be terrible if you had to wait months for another consultation, especially since you're paying! Fingers crossed for an expedited service. They'll definitely be loads to talk about when you start taking clomid and I take progesterone. The symptoms will be interesting 😅

Phew! Good thing my BMI is 22 because then I don't really have to do anything but be infertile 😂 Male obesity is just as detrimental on fertility as female obesity though so it's kind of unfair that everything falls on the woman! Patriarchy suck! Nothing can ever be men's fault or men's responsibility. Ugh! It's so annoying only having one funded cycle! What are you meant to do if it doesn't work??? What if you can't afford IVF, you'll just be childless forever??

I'd love a child regardless of how or where they come from but I think it would take some mental adjustment to get over a sperm donor. Some people even get donor embryos which must mean both egg and sperm isn't theirs! If you had spare embryos from IVF would you donate yours or would you ever accept one for yourself?

Yeaaah! Legs are very strong! That's why they're so easy to overwork! You need to be careful so you don't cause damage to yourself. I keep saying I should work out but then don't do anything about it and I just keep eating! 😂😂 Uncliche the fatty!

Dining room is why DH works from but I think if I mount some floating shelves in the study, I can store my machines on them and just bring them out when I need them and then the desk can double up as an office/sewing table.

😱😱😱 You're paying £55 for the two of you WITH a water meter????? Ok your area is defo expensive!

Some annoying lady at work yesterday decided to question what I do and basically implied I'm not doing my job 🙄 I should have told her since she knows what I'm supposed to be doing, maybe she should come and do the job herself instead. Either way, I told my boss about her.

Also, neighbourhood drama 😂Early last week, the plasterers were emptying dirty buckets of water down the alleyway which left plaster residue on the ground there. This week when they returned to do the painting, we had two old ladies from two of the houses knock on our door. I thought they were coming to say hello and introduce themselves but no. They proceeded to complain about what the plasterer did and how there was CCTV evidence of him doing it and that they shouldn't be doing it. The plasterers were in the upstairs bedroom and they started arguing with her out the window and said they'd go and clean but the lady said she'd already cleaned it herself so basically she just wanted something to complain about considering the plasterers hadn't even gone to that alleyway this week. I shut the door on them and left them to their arguing. I can't believe they waited a whole week for the plasterers to return so that they could have a go! They had energy for a fight but no energy to say hello and welcome us to the neighbourhood. F'ing nuisances. Coming to my door shouting at me 🙄

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ButterscotchBabe · 25/03/2021 20:31

So I found out today that I've been offered the permanent position in our team 😀😀🥂

Got my peak today on OPK so looks like ovulation will be tomorrow! Also received a letter from the clinic with a date for my ultrasound scan. It's 13th April, so I'll be around CD9, I was hoping I'd be further along in my cycle so that they might see a follicle growing! Do you remember where you were in your cycle when you had your scan?

I'm not really doing anything different this cycle, still taking the folic acid and Vit D but not anything else. Yes it will be interesting to compare results! Well they haven't sent me a letter for my next consultation so I'll probably have to call to find out the results and then make an appointment to discuss next steps.

That's strange your cm has been so different this cycle, it might be worth doing BBT and OPKs next cycle so that you don't have to rely on cm to work out what's going on. So you must be around 4DPO now? Have you got your usual symptoms, sore boobs?

Yeh we'll only do ICSI if his sperm aren't good, if the sperm are good then we'll try clomid. I'll probably have to call a day after the SA and ask for the results of all our tests, I hope our next consultation isn't another 6 week wait because I can't get clomid until we've discussed results with the consultant.

Haha I meant you could give a lower weight and then your DH could work on losing the weight, so that by the time they saw him he might be at the weight you gave? That said his weight might not be an issue, if the guidelines don't state the male needs to be within a certain weight range then it might be fine. I think their more concerned about the females weight. Oww that's rubbish they only fund 1 cycle, I think it's the same here. It's so unfair because some areas fund 3!!

Unsure about a sperm donor, fingers crossed DP's sperm are fine but I wouldn't rule it out, it would be better than adopting. You won't need a sperm donor, your DH's sperm are good! But worse case scenario you could have ICSI.

I try and work out all areas of my body but my legs seem quite strong when exercising, however a couple of days later they're in loads of pain! Whereas my arms for example will wear out quite quickly so I can't overdo it.

Aww you'll have to find a home somewhere for sewing! Maybe in the kitchen/dining area? That's where I sew 😂

We have a water meter so we only pay for what we use. South West Water must be much more pricey than Thames Water!

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unCliche · 24/03/2021 10:11

Hmm I do wonder how much of an impact the new address has had on my car insurance, especially since I now have driveway parking. I can't imagine it would be £300-£400 worth of savings though. 😱😱 Your water bill is expensive. At the other place it was about £30 a month! I even called up Thames Water to complain about the extortion! 😂 Apparently they calculate it based on the house size so since you live in a 4 bed house, they probably think you have a million people living there and charge that amount! DH doesn't want us to get a water metre either so £55 it is 😠

Have you gotten your +ve OPK yet? Your FP temps seem really steady this cycle. Are you doing or taking anything? Oooo! It'll be interesting to compare progesterone results! Do you know when you'll get your results back?

My CM this cycle has been super weird and not very usual for me. Before ovulation, my CM is usually just sticky. This cycle, it seems to have been milky. Then during my FW, it goes clear watery then I have plenty of clear EWCM but this cycle, I had milky watery then EWCM textured CM that was creamy-ish in colour. Then after I ovulate, I get loads of creamy CM. This cycle, CM is scarce and a mix of sticky/creamy. So I'm finding it difficult to pinpoint where I am in my cycle. But I'll assume I ovulated either Saturday or Sunday (CD15/CD16) 🤷‍♀️ I think the vitamins gave me loads of EWCM because now I barely get it.

ICSI is more expensive than normal IVF. If his swimmers swim well then ICSI won't be necessary anyway so you could probably save some money there. If his swimmers are very few and immotile then that's probably where you'd need ICSI. But your DP is fit and healthy so he shouldn't have any problems there! Luckily, you'll have ovulated by the time he needs to abstain. Will you be getting his SA results back at the same time as your progesterone results?

😂😂😂 Lie about DH's weight?? They'll see he's not a skinny man! Could I really says he's 3 stone lighter than he really is? If I was 3 stone lighter, I'd be anorexic 😂😂😂 You're lucky you went to an NHS clinic, it's probably more straightforward for you to transfer. I'll have to speak to my consultant to see if the same can happen for us. They only fund one cycle of IVF in Berkshire 😭😭😭😭 However, they don't mention anything about the male's weight.

Haha adopting a human would probably be better than adopting a dog 😂 I'm not really a dog person but they seem so cuddly and needy 💕 I just want a real life human baby to fuss over 😭 Would you ever consider the sperm donor route? I wouldn't want anyone else's baby but DH's.

Nope, I still haven't started exercising. I'm just a bit lazy!! Do you only do leg workouts?

I just hope summer isn't cancelled again so that you can debut your outfits to the world! I have a really plain but pretty fabric that I have ideas for and it would be great for summer. Maybe I can set up my sewing table in my bedroom although I don't think DH would like that. We just need to save lots of money so we can buy an outbuilding and turn it into a hobby room!

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ButterscotchBabe · 23/03/2021 18:56

That will be nice for you to get some money back from the rented place and awesome your car insurance has come down! Your new house must be in a safer area? Our water bill is £50-£55 a month, yours must have been very cheap in your old place?!

No ovulation yet for me, my OPK was at 55% this morning so I think I'll get my peak either this evening or tomorrow. Will need to do my progesterone tests soon, I'll probably go on Monday and Wednesday which will either be 5&7DPO or 4&6DPO, depending on when I ovulate.

Ah that's good that you're possibly still in with a chance this cycle! I wonder if the cm you saw before was creamy because you hadn't ovulated yet, rather than because ovulation had passed? Have you had anymore EWCM?

It's most likely a mix of your DH's low sperm count and your low progesterone. It might be good for you to try clomid, which you can ask your private consultant to prescribe. That should improve your egg quantity/quality and progesterone levels. If DP has a low sperm count then we'll probably go straight for ICSI.

Haha 😂😂 well if I help and then aim it wrong and it misses the pot, he can blame me 😂. The GP should still do investigations for you both, I think it's just IVF that you have to meet strict criteria. Also you can give a lower weight than he actually is, they can't weigh him at the moment 😂. Our consultant said if we need IVF they can quite easily swap us over to NHS funding, so we probably won't need to contact the GP again as we're paying for all the investigations.

Oh no, you don't want fur balls in food 😂😂. If we couldn't conceive we'd probably adopt, not sure about getting a dog, I don't wanna pick up dog poo 😕. Puppies are very cute though!

Yes DP's cakes were lovely, didn't last long! Ooh I could eat lemon sponge cake right now 😋😋. Haha yeh me too, I hope our kids pick up his skinny gene! Yes I was in the garden on Sunday doing another work out, did a mix of cardio and resistance training, legs are still sore but not quite a bad as last time! Did you manage to do a work out?

It didn't taste too bad but I've learned how to make better yogurt combinations now! Always good to have a clear out and get paid for it! I haven't sold anything in a long time, normally we cba and just ended up chucking stuff!

Didn't do any sewing at the weekend but I'll have to this weekend as my Mum is waiting for her jacket. You'll have to unpack your sewing stuff and we can make some chic summer outfits! 👗

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unCliche · 22/03/2021 10:23

My laptop charger stopped working 😔 I feel like I buy a new one every 3 months. So annoying!

Unpacking is alright. We still have lots of boxes in the garage that we'll need to eventually unpack. Once the study is done up, we'll be able to put the things in those boxes in there.

We're expecting at least £2k back from our previous estate agents, some of it will be the deposit we paid and the rest will be the excess rent we paid for this month, so we'll do more work on the house with that. My car insurance has gone down to £600 (I was expecting £1000) so I'll have some spare money to hand once I've paid my insurance for the year in April. Our water bill has come up to £55 a month (~£600 a year.) I'm shocked and refuse to pay that because WTF?? It's double what we were paying at the old place!! What do your bills look like?

I'm not 100% sure when I ovulated or if I've ovulated! I had EWCM (I think) on Saturday and DH and I DTD on Friday and Saturday. I had a lot of ovulation pain those two days as well, but I still don't think I've ovulated. It's really hard to tell with my CM. So I have no idea where I am in my cycle right now. How are your OPKs and temps? Are you close to ovulating now? Our cycles may not be so far apart 😊

Apparently there are two Asdas in Reading. I've never been to them but if they prove cheaper, I'll also have to consider them! How far away is your closest Asda?

Haha if it takes me another 5 years to conceive, then maybe my middle sis and I will have kids the same age but no way am I waiting 5 years! 😂DH reckons it's solely because of his low sperm count that we're not conceiving but I feel like that can't be all, right? And since there is sperm we must still be in for a chance? I think it's easier for me to blame myself because then at least I'd feel like I could do about it since it's my own body. What would you do if you were fine but your DP had low sperm count?

Haha you're going to help him with his SA 😂😂😂 I wonder how 🤔😂😂😂 That's lovely either way. Make it a team effort. DH and I need to register to a nearer GP but I also worry that because DH's BMI is over 30 they won't let us start investigations until he loses weight and he has about 3 stone to lose to go from obese to overweight. But if his weight is the only thing holding us back, then maybe we still have a chance? Once it's been a year for you, will you get in contact with your GP?

The damage on the sofa could definitely be worse. You can't really see it but knowing it's there is annoying. White rabbit has started doing this thing where he sits there and starts staring at me, and he'll stare for ages. it's basically his way of begging for food 😂I can't leave them in the kitchen because there's fur literally flying everywhere in here. Would you ever get a dog? If I can't conceive I think I'll get a dog as a substitute baby. At least they can show love.

How were your DP's cakes? Delicious? DH bought a lemon sponge cake and it's so yum but I feel so fat eating all this crap! I'm jealous of people with the ridiculously skinny gene 😭 Did you do much working out over the weekend? The sun is shining and I feel like working out outside! Time to get sexy again.

Haha did it taste gross? We have a little smoothy blender which we used to make healthy stuff with. But we haven't used it for a while now. I've been selling a lot of my old things on facebook marketplace and I sold my old blender to a family yesterday. I don't know why, but it made me feel good. Usually people want to find a good bargain but I feel like they needed something functional that was well priced or maybe it's just my prejudices judging them without knowing them 🤷‍♀️ Do you sell your old things?

Oh that fabric is very pretty. They'd look gorgeous with what you've planned for them! Did you do any sewing over the weekend? My sewing stuff is still packed away!

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ButterscotchBabe · 19/03/2021 17:10

How's the unpacking going? I remember when we last moved our stuff stayed in boxes and bags for ages, took us forever to put it all away 😂. Not heard about my role yet, should know by the end of the month.

Oh no that's a shame if you've missed ovulation, you could take your temp tomorrow morning and if it's high then you know ovulation has definitely happened? My OPK was very negative today so I'm not expecting ovulation for another 3/4 days. Our cycles are drifting apart ☹️.

Do you have an Asda near you? Apparently Asda is the cheapest place to get fertility drugs, obviously it's too late now but if you get anymore. Annoyingly we don't have an Asda near us but I might have to drive to one if there's big cost savings!

Haha yeh I think knowing it's not gonna work is putting me off! We DTD yesterday to refresh his sperm before my fertile period 😂.

That's good the neighbourhood is quiet and cute that there's a little girl next door. Most people have more than 1 child so chances are they'll have another! One benefit to it taking longer to conceive, is that your kids will be closer in age to their cousins. That's what I tell myself anyway!

I think DP is feeling okay about the SA now, we spoke about it last night and I'm gonna help him 😊. I think he was a bit worried about getting it in the pot because the first bit that comes out has the most sperm, so you have to aim right! Will you be booking anymore investigations now you're close to Easter? I definitely think you should get the ball rolling with your GP, just make sure you say you've been trying for a year.

I have very painful ovulation which could be a sign of scarring on the ovaries but yeh it's just an unknown unless I have that op.

Oh no! Unfortunately you can't really stop rabbits chewing, is the damage to your sofa repairable? Could they maybe just be let out in the kitchen?

Oh no lol is he gonna make some diet changes? Good that he's getting up early for long walks. That would be interesting to do another SA to compare with last time! DP is naturally quite thin, he can eat whatever he wants and never puts on weight, it's so unfair 😭😂😂. He's making cakes right now 🙄...

Yeh I need to put more effort into exercising, waiting for the weather to get better! Do you have space to work out inside?

I'm not sure yet, so far I've just been playing around with it, chucking random things together and seeing how it turns out 😂. Yesterday I blended greek yoghurt, banana and whey protein powder. It went liquidy because the blade must have chopped up the molecules, so I froze it and now it's like a frozen banana dessert. DP says it's gross 😂😂.

Ah I hadn't thought about when DP returns to work, hmmm I guess we'll have to see what happens! He'll probably want to stay in the bedroom with us but may change his mind if he can't get any sleep 😂.

www.minerva.com/mp/1057518/viscose-challis-fabric-cherry-on-navy&variant=1057086

I ordered this fabric a little while ago in pink and blue (the blue option isn't currently available). Once I've finished Mums jacket I'm gonna make a couple of summer outfits with this fabric 😊. I'm thinking one short, one long, so maybe a maxi dress and a playsuit 😎.

unCliche · 18/03/2021 12:35

I'm glad I've had a chill week at work as it's given me a chance to do more unpacking/tidying up/arranging. Have you heard back about funding for your role?

I think I've missed ovulation 🙊 Yesterday (CD12) was the first time I checked CM and it was milky white in colour. Cervix is high and hard too. And DH and I still haven't DTD! So this month isn't happening unfortunately. I did go and collect my pessaries yesterday - cost me 20 quid 🙄 But I won't be taking them this cycle either. Maybe I'll start tracking next cycle as well. Haha you're right about us just getting the deed done! We would have yesterday but DH had already relieved himself because I blue-balled him 😂😂😂 We'll give it a go today just in case.

You've only DTD once this cycle as well! I wonder what's happening with us 😭 But at least you're still in for a chance! How often will you be DTD?

I can't remember what the dessert is called. But it was nice, and I'm not really a dessert person, so it was definitely really good for me to have liked it. Everyone in the neighbourhood that we have encountered have been lovely. It's really quiet and everyone keeps to themselves, so, so far so good! The neighbouring house we're attached to has a little girl, she seems around 2 years old. It's nice to know my kid will have a friend to play with. I just hope it doesn't take any longer so they can be close in age. Maybe they'll have a second kid 😁 I hope they do.

31st March will be CD24 for you, so you'll definitely have ovulated then. How's your DP feeling about it now that the reality is here? I think we'll book DH's SA for next month. Since it's Easter in a few weeks and we're still not pregnant and we definitely won't be this cycle, I think it's safe to book it in now 😅

Good news that any surgery would be on the NHS. Bad news about the potential waiting lists! However, best case scenario would be very little to no scarring, which is a possibility. You don't have any other symptoms of scarring minus not being able to get pregnant so it might be better than you think.

Haha thank you! I bought the dress for our pre-wedding photoshoot. It was on the same day I had my wedding makeup trial so my face was all done up. The video of the house is gone now. I posted it on my stories but 24 hours must have lapsed by the time you went to check. I'll have to share it with you.

Grrrr! White rabbit is so troublesome and I swear he's doing it on purpose. He chewed the corner of our very expensive sofa 😡 So we've caged them both in and they won't be let out unless we can supervise them. I'm so annoyed but it's our fault for thinking that rabbits wouldn't rabbit.

DH weighed himself and he's put on another 10kg! So he's started waking up early in the morning and going for long walks. I'm curious to see what his sperm are doing now and if any exist anymore 🤣 I also weighed myself for the first time in months and I've definitely put on weight but it could be worse, so phew! You could probably work out other parts of your body, like arms, back or abs?

Oh that's fancy. Mackerel Pate 🍴 We have a blender but not a food processor. I'm not so creative with food to make good use of one. What recipes are you thinking of making?

Haha even when he's working?? During his paternity leave, DH will definitely carry out his fatherly duties through the night but once he's back at work, he can sleep in the spare room and I'll do the nightly feeds and when he gets back from work in the evenings, he can take over while I rest.

See, I knew she'd like it. It's a real talent making something from scratch. She must have been really, really impressed!

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ButterscotchBabe · 17/03/2021 20:54

I've been incredibly busy at work this week, everyone seems to want everything at once! So I've hardly been on Mumsnet either!

That's annoying your family said that on your anniversary, you don't need that pressure! That's good you're getting to know the neighbours, what dessert did he make? What are your neighbours like, do you think you'll get on with them long term?

You're probably feeling a bit sad about leaving the rental property, especially if you liked living there and you are friends with the neighbours. But you'll soon come to love your house and make it your own home 😊.

I've attached my uneventful chart 😂, not expecting ovulation for another 5-7 days. You must be close to ovulation now?

The SA pot arrived so DP called the clinic and the earliest appointment they had for him to drop off the SA was 31st March. Bit annoying as I'd hoped it would be earlier, he can't ejaculate for 3 days before, so hopefully I'll ovulate early enough! When will you book the next SA for your DH?

Well done on the wall filler, I couldn't find the videos on your Instagram but I probably wasn't looking in the right place 😂, still a newbie! You look amazing in that red dress!

I'm pretty sure the laparoscopy would be on the NHS, yeh I would go for it if they offered it. The problem with scarring is that to remove it they'll need to cut it off, which means new scarring could then appear in its place. It will depend how much there is and where it is but I'd much rather fix the cause of my infertility that remain infertile and just work around it (IVF). Problem is an operation like that probably has a huge waiting list, especially with the way the NHS is at the moment.

It would be a shame to waste a cycle, you probably need to DTD around now and the next couple of days. Remember what you said to me a while back, don't worry about the romance, just get the deed done!

That was cheeky of the white bunny to get under the sofa! Hope no damage was caused!

Haven't done anymore working out 😕 we were thinking of getting up early and doing early morning walks but that will mean changing the time I take my temp. Have you been doing any workouts recently? Although you probably don't need to as you've been pretty busy lately!

I mostly cook daily but sometimes I'll make more than we need so we have leftovers. Just bought a food processor for the first time and made mackerel pate! Excited to make some more recipes! Have you got a food processor?

Unsure what we'd do with DP's Mums stuff, it's quite cramped here! 4 beds sounds a lot but all the rooms are small. It's unlikely she'll move back in any time soon. No DP will definitely be staying in our room, he's gonna be getting up and tending to baby 😂😂.

Aww thanks 😊 my Mum loved it, she was much happier with the jacket than I was 😂. Although it doesn't fit her as it was a practice one based on my sizes, so I need to make another now to fit her.

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unCliche · 15/03/2021 22:26

This whole house business has kept me so occupied. I haven't been on mumsnet! I'll have to start messaging you through social media if I start getting busy. DH and I did get to relax yesterday. It was our anniversary but I was sad because family started saying all that's left is for us to have kids but knowing it won't be easy for us upset me. Our new neighbour did deliver us some dessert he baked. We gifted both next door neighbours a bottle of champagne, a Greek Pythagoras cup and a card last week, so we're definitely building a relationship!

But good to hear your week off was worthwhile. How was you first day back? Today was pretty chill for me and I still had to run some house related errands. Also gave back the keys to our rental property as our tenancy is over now. I haven't really had time to think about how I feel about it but I suppose the feeling will be bitter sweet.

I love the new paint colour!! It's like an off-white with a green-ish/grey-ish hue. It's amazing!! I'll add you as a close friend on Instagram so you can see the videos I took today. It looks very grown up. It's so exciting. I even got down and dirty and used some filler to smooth out the wall in places. I'm happy!

Ah, that was definitely a smart thing to do. It'll make it less likely for your concerns to be dismissed. Would you likely go for a laparoscopy? You'd need surgery if you had scarring right? Could that be something you could get on the NHS?

I haven't really thought about my cycle. I'll probably end up missing ovulation the way things are going. DH and I still haven't DTD. I can't say I'm really in the mood either. Maybe a childless couple is what we're meant to be. I wouldn't want to waste the progesterone if there's no chance of DTD at the right time.

The thought of falling asleep in your other half's arms is so romantic but I hate being touched when sleeping too! Haha! We cuddle for a bit, then when it's time to sleep, we go our separate ways. And I'm a really hot sleeper too!!

Me and white rabbit fought today. I had to put him in time out. He managed to pull the wood barriers off the sofa and crawled under it. So troublesome!

Have you done anymore working out? Your diet sounds so sensible but cooking is such a chore. Do you do batch cooking or cook fresh daily?

Four bedrooms is awesome! Sounds like you have lots of space. Where would you put your DP's mum's furniture when you move it out? Will she ever move back in? Do you reckon when you have a baby your DP will sleep in a separate room for a few months?

It was the consultants suggestion to do another SA. Generally you can't get a complete picture from a single SA so they recommend you do more than one. I don't expect an improvement or a deterioration. The fact that I'm still not pregnant says enough.

Yaaaay!! Your jacket! I saw the pics on insta! It looks great! For a first attempt and self-drafted I think you should be really proud of yourself. What did your mum say about it? I hope she was impressed? It really does look great.

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ButterscotchBabe · 14/03/2021 13:18

You've had a very busy week! Hope you've been able to relax a bit more over the weekend, do you feel ready to go back to work tomorrow? I don't, I want a another week off 😂. I have had a very relaxing week though 😊.

Ah that's annoying about the paint, at least if it's white you can use soft furnishings to add colour to the room. A grand tour would be lovely!

I didn't mention I was on the pill, I didn't want to risk her thinking my issues are just my body adjusting from the pill because I was unable to get pregnant before going on the pill. We did discuss my peritonitis, caused from burst appendix and she thinks there might be scarring on my ovaries or uterus but I would need a laparoscopy to investigate. So we'll discuss that further in the next appointment. You're 2 days ahead of me, I'm on CD7 so you're on CD9. You could start temping from tomorrow, it would be useful to compare temps with your progesterone this cycle.

Ah that's cool you have a king size bed! We're always fighting over space and the duvet 😂. DP tries to curl up to me but I push him off because I get too hot, I turn into a fireball when I sleep 😂🔥.

Aww that's cute you have an Instagram account for them and cool names! Oh dear, at least the rest of the house will be chew free 😂.

Legs are finally back to normal 😂 will definitely take it easier next time!

We have 4 bedrooms but it's a small bungalow, one bedroom is ours, the 2nd bedroom is our wardrobe and store room, the 3rd bedroom is our office and the 4th bedroom is full of furniture from DP's family. It's DP's Mum's house, complicated situation. We'd probably have to clear out the 4th bedroom to make room for baby.

Haha that's good you were happy in the crop top, I don't think I'd wear a crop top at the moment! I eat a whole range of things, if I'm having a good day I'll have something like - veggie sausage, egg, mushrooms and toast for breakfast, chicken salad for lunch and lean steak with veg for dinner.

Howcome you're thinking of doing another SA? Are you hoping there might be an improvement from last time? Don't give up on this cycle already! You could book the SA for after your fertile period?

Finished the practice jacket, going to take it to my Mum's today so she can try it on and I can see where I need to amend the pattern. I'm not very happy with it, it doesn't look professional, I definitely wouldn't buy it 😂😂. My sewing machine can do invisible stitching but I followed the instructions and couldn't work it out. It would have looked better with invisible stitching.

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unCliche · 13/03/2021 09:19

Morning! I had such a busy day yesterday. Was up by 7am to let cleaners into the old property, then had to clear out all the remaining things and take them all to the dump (recycling centre), then went round shopping for more home stuff. Then went back to our old house to collect more stuff for the dump, went to the dump then came home and built a bed then fell asleep! So exhausting but I think today, we can finally relax, although there are things we still need to buy - like paint! Because we chose a wall colour that we thought would be off white with a tinge of grey but the whole wall looks very blue now! So now, we're going safe and painting it white 😂 I'd have to give you the grand tour later!

When you spoke to your consultant, did you tell her you were on the pill and did she mention anything about whether your body would ever get back to normal on its own. I'm just thinking, because you had higher temps and a longer LP, maybe your body is working things out on its own. I don't think this cycle I'm going to track. If I'm honest, I've been so busy I don't even know where in my cycle I am, I don't think temping will change anything 😂 but maybe I should, since I'll be taking the progesterone this cycle!

Oh that's really good that you have some things booked in. Your blood test results will probably come out fine. You're young so there's probably lots of eggs! And you're probably super fertile, minus the whole progesterone thing 😁 I think 4DPO and 6DPO are safe bets for your progesterone test. If you can afford to, 8DPO might be one to consider too.

Yeah, the bed we bought was a double for guests. Our bed is a king, which is great because we have a huge duvet and even if DH pulls it all away, I still have loads to cover with. We're currently sleeping with a double duvet and I have to curl up close to DH so that we can both be covered. I can't wait until we can unpack properly. Painters will come on Monday to turn our room white 😁

Oh, I thought you knew their names already! Guess I haven't told you. I'll tell you over private message, just because I have an instagram account for them 😂 But rabbits are adjusting well and apart from chewing on my cables and skirting boards, my house isn't a total wreck. Phew! They're confined to the living room.

Haha!! Oh dear! I hope your thigh is better now. It might be worth easing yourself into the workouts, especially if it's been a while since you've done leg exercises. The legs are the strongest part of a woman's body (childbearing requirements blah blah blah) so it feels like you can lift the whole world with them but a little will defo go a long way when starting out. Plus I find legs adjust and gain muscle much easier than other body parts so they'll probably get easier to work out very quickly.

Haha we do need more rooms already!! If we could do the side extension straight away, that would have been great! But we're so poor right now! For now, we'll make use of the rooms we have. Baby's room will probably be our room until we can build additional rooms. If not, once they're old enough to sleep in a bed then we'll just put them on the double in the current guest room. How many rooms do you have in your home? Will one be for your baby?

I did use myfitnesspal when DH and I had our personal trainer but I don't think I can go back to that level of food control. I haven't weighed myself in months because I'm scared of what the scales would say but I wore a crop top jumper yesterday and was pleasantly surprised that my belly wasn't bulging out 😂😂 What sort of things are you currently eating?

Back to work for both of us next week. Bleh! Have you been able to get a good rest at least? I wish I could say mine was relaxing but I'm glad I had some time off to sort the house out.

If you were on CD 4 on Thursday, then you're CD6 today, which means I must be CD8, I think?? I think AF ended on either CD3 or CD4. I wasn't really paying attention but CD1 was very heavy. My menstrual cup got filled up several times in the day. I'm thinking to book DH in for a SA as I can't see us conceiving this cycle. We haven't DTD since the middle of last cycle's LP! Hopefully we can finally have some time to ourselves.

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ButterscotchBabe · 11/03/2021 10:11

My temps were generally higher than previous cycles, so hopefully it's a sign things are moving in the right direction! Are you temping this cycle?

Blood test went well, I went to a blood clinic in the hospital so it was done by a phlebotomist, she just takes the blood and sticks a label on it, she's not a fertility specialist, so I didn't ask any questions. I'll need to go back in a couple of weeks to have the progesterone tests. Because of the awkward timings with my luteal phase, the consultant said I can have up to 3 tests, on different days so she can see a progression. However it's £45 a test, so I might just do two, maybe on 4DPO and 6DPO. I'm waiting for a letter from them to confirm my date for the scan and we're still waiting for the SA pot. Once they've both arrived then I'll enquire about the next consultation. Unfortunately things move a lot slower with the NHS, even though we're paying!

Hope the painting goes well today! Did you buy a new double bed for yourselves or as a guest bed? We need to buy a new bed, although I want a king size one as we both like to spread out 😂.

Yeh it's amazing how much rubbish builds up when you move! Also good excuse to have a clear out!

Aww that's a shame to have spent £60 but at least you have the peace of mind knowing he's okay 😊. That's great white rabbit is now going to the toilet where you want him too! Haha they'll probably find something else to hide under 😂. What are their names?

I must have injured my thigh muscles quite badly because they still hurt, particularly the left one. It's a little better this morning but yesterday I yelped when DP prodded my thigh (he thought it was a good idea to evaluate the damage by prodding the muscle 🙄). Gonna have to be much more careful with resistance training when they heal! I haven't thought about where I put my weight when doing squats, thanks for the tip I'll make sure weight is on the heels.

You need a 4 bed house already 😂. Which room would you make baby's room?

Oh no 😂 I've put back on some of the pounds I lost 😭. I've started following some models on Instagram for inspiration 😂. The Myfitnesspal app is really good for keeping an eye on your food intake. I find when I record it it's easier not to overeat, when I don't record it I just think, oh I'm sure that wasn't too many calories... 😂😂

Week off has been very lazy so far, finished the sleeves on the jacket which was challenging because they were too narrow to go around the sewing arm. Just need to hem the sides and bottom and finish the neck.

How is your af doing? What cycle day are you on? I'm on CD4 and mines got much lighter now.

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unCliche · 10/03/2021 17:27

That sucks! AF pain is the worst, but a longer LP and thicker endometrium sounds like progress. Silver linings 😊 how does this chart compare to previous one? Were your temps less or more stable?

How did your blood test go? Did you ask any questions while it was being done? And when are your scans booked in for? When is your next consultation? (sorry for the questions!)

10 years of fertility sounds like a long time until the years fly by and there's still no pregnancy. Thats my worst nightmare. I want 3 kids, I'll have to have them back to back (my body willing) but I agree, 35 would be where I really start to panic too. I'm really nervous about it not happening.

We'll get a professional in to do the painting. They're coming tomorrow. We've left our furniture partially dismantled and he'll just have to work around them. We slept on our sofabed last night as our bed is not completely built. I think by Friday our master bedroom will be complete. We have a double bed coming tomorrow too.

Yesterday we officially moved! It was busy but we're unpacking slowly. Kitchen/Dining room is almost done, living is looking good too. We'll probably spend the rest of the week putting things away and taking rubbish to the dump.

I took grey rabbit to the vets and paid £60 for them to tell me he's fine!! 😂 Right when we need the money!! But yeah, he's doing much better now. I think you were right the first time round. All the new changes, moving from enclosure to hutch to new house probably stressed him out and he just sat in his own poop all day, not cleaning himself. He seems to be adjusting slowing. His brother on the other hand, he's been bouncing around everywhere. We've had to block off under the sofas 😂 Good news is, white rabbit has stopped pooping and peeing everywhere and now goes inside his litter box. So he's been successfully trained! Yay!

Haha! Sorry about the sore legs. Are they better today? When squatting do you put all the weight on your toes or heels? Make sure you plant the heel of your feet on the ground, don't be tempted to put your body weight on your toes. The muscles at the back of your legs and bum will then do their work and you won't cause any damage to your knees. If you do lunges, do backward lunges. Again that should work the right muscles. I find with leg exercises my knees suffer loads but once done right, my glutes and hamstrings do get worked out.

All three bedrooms of the house are occupied. The main bedroom is mine and DHs, the second is full of built in wardrobes so there's no space and then the box room as the sofabed in it. I'll have to save up for an outdoor building to do my sewing in or do it in the dining room.

I've been eating terribly! 😭 I'm going to be so fat soon! Encourage meeee!

How's your week off going?

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ButterscotchBabe · 09/03/2021 09:01

Af arrived yesterday and has been heavier and more painful than the last few cycles, I think because my luteal phase was longer my endometrial lining was thicker this cycle, which is a good sign. Temp has come right down to 36.37 this morning.

I'm gonna get my first bloods done tomorrow, the FSH and LH as they need to be done between CD1-CD5. I won't find out the results for a while though as I'll have to wait until the next appointment with the consultant.

Will you be doing the painting yourself or getting a professional in? It will be difficult to paint once the furniture is in?

Aww I hope the medication cures the upset tummy for the grey bunny! They must feel quite comfortable to sleep next to you 😊.

I don't really get upset about af arriving, I kinda expect it, it's still gutting though. I know I've got 10 years of fertility left and I'm seeking help so things are moving forward. If I get to 35 and we still haven't conceived, then I'll be worried!

Omg my quads are so painful, I was limping around yesterday, definitely lost a lot of muscle this past year! I need to engage the glutes and hamstrings more, it's annoying because the quads often take over. Do you find that when doing leg exercises?

Hmmm I can't think of any famous places he might graffiti on, I'm sure there are, I just can't think of any 😂.

Yeh I've taken over the kitchen table with my sewing 😂 luckily we eat on the sofa in the living room, so it hasn't made too much difference. Does your new place have 3 bedrooms? If so, you could use one of them until babies arrive!

I'm definitely not doing anymore baking this week, I ate 3 brownies yesterday 🤦 so basically my workout was for nothing 😂😭.

Move in day!! Woohoo! Let me know how it goes, I'm excited for you 😊🎉. Have you got anything planned for the rest of the week or just mainly unpacking and setting up?

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unCliche · 08/03/2021 13:41

Haha yes please! 🍟😍

Yay that's good news! So that'll be a 10 day LP? So awesome! I think mine was 10 days this cycle too. How are your temps today?

Yeah, the plasterers came today and filled in the holes and cracks and removed some of the built in furniture. The room looks more spacious. It just needs painting now.

DH and I were pleasantly surprised when we arrived at the house this morning and poop wasn't dropped all over the place. He's finally learning the right place to do his business. Although I'm still sweeping up stray poop. Yeaaah! Grey rabbit has been ill for a while. A few months back, we started seeing diarrhoea but we didn't know which rabbit it was coming from. We took them both to the vets and the vets said they were both fine, but clearly not. Anyway he's much better now. I think the medication is working. They're both asleep next to me. White rabbit is snoring. It's so cute 😂

I don't feel very strong, but thank you 💕 It's just always the day before and the day of AF that I get really upset. After that, I think I'll be fine! Do you ever get upset?

Hahaha!! I love a leg workout. I bet you can't walk today 😂

Considering Banksy is from Bristol and Reading isn't anywhere near Bristol, there's a good chance he'll do one in your area. I wonder what he'd do in Devon. Are there any famous places he'd likely graffiti on?

Yeah, making something you don't want is hard. Having no motivation to get it done. But I think you should keep at it. You'll learn a lot in the process! I might start sewing again. I'll have to decide where to set up my sewing table. Not sure which room will be best for that. You're currently sewing in your kitchen right?

DH and I actually haven't discussed what we'll do on our anniversary. We probably won't be able to go to a restaurant but maybe a nice home cooked meal and lots of romance. Perhaps we'll watch our wedding video too.

Oh yum! I'm not the biggest fan of peanut butter snacks but I really like a making cakes. Just plain and simple cakes, nothing fancy. Well, I've never attempted anything fancy 😅 Will you be baking for the whole week? Make sure you don't negate the calories burned from all that squatting! 😂😂

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ButterscotchBabe · 07/03/2021 21:33

Fried testicals and ovaries, would you like that with a side of chips? 😂😂

My temp came down to 36.65 and I've had brown spotting but no proper af yet, which means if it arrives tomorrow I will have gained an extra day on my LP 😊.

That's cool you got professional cleaners in and a plasterer coming. Will the plastering be all done before the furniture arrives?

Lol the white rabbit is probably marking his territory in the new surroundings 😂. Oh no, was the grey one ill before you moved him? I'm just thinking the diarrhea might be due to him being scared from the move?

You are a positive person and you're stronger than you think. If you do get to the 8th cycle your mental health won't be in tatters, you'll be learning more about your cycle, either through the progesterone or further investigations. Definitely good to get the ball rolling with your GP 🙂.

Yes the sun definitely does lift your mood! I was out in the garden today on a yoga mat doing some squats and exercises with resistance bands. My legs felt like jelly afterwards and they still feel weak, I think I'm gonna be hurting for a few days! Still able to tease DP though and steal his phone 😂. Haha I often act quite childish and annoy DP 😂😂.

That's cool you got to see the painting in real life, I wonder if Banksy will ever do one near us 🤔. Ah DP mentioned the Art Attack guy, I have no idea lol.

Haha yeh it definitely helps our partners have roles in similar fields, I guarantee they're not gonna be talking about TTC! Also if it's in the summer we can wear a dress we've made!

Jacket is coming along slowly, I'm finding it difficult making something that someone else wants me to make. So far when making clothes I've been quite excited and it's helped me make things quite quickly. However I don't have the interest with the jacket, I think because it's quite difficult to make, that it takes the fun out of it. Will you start sewing again once your all set up in your new home?

Hahaha! Good idea to get the massager 😉. Are you doing anything to celebrate your anniversary?

Haven't really got any plans for the week ahead, I'm sure it will involve some chores and more nagging of DP 😂.

Made some lovely peanut butter brownies this evening 😋. What's your favourite thing to bake?

unCliche · 07/03/2021 19:12

@Cinderellashoes Thanks so much lovely. Just had a moment of weakness where I felt so hopeless and helpless. DH and I have started moving things into the new house and that has mostly kept me occupied so I'm pretty much over it and feeling better now! Thanks again for the encouragement. I'm glad you got your little one in the end, I'm sure they're very special 💕

@ButterscotchBabe Sending far away hugs 🤗 Haha I'm over it now. I'm thinking fried ovaries for dinner as I'm pretty close to ripping them out. Or maybe I should go for DH's balls first? 😂😂 My only saving grace is I've had no cramps! Woooot!! 🎉 Today has been busy, I've been so preoccupied! Now to go back and respond to your previous message!

Sorry to hear AF is on her way! Did she eventually start? Did your temps come down? Like usual, I hope it's not AF and it's implantation bleeding and cramps! I think some good news will definitely make up for my shitting morning. One of us needs to have some good luck!!!

We got some professional cleaners into the new house yesterday. I'm finally starting to feel comfortable in the house and I'm actually really looking forward to fully moving in. We have a plasterer coming tomorrow to sort out the walls and ceilings of a few rooms. Lots to do! 🤪

My white rabbit is so troublesome! He keeps dropping poop pellets everywhere (on purpose I'm sure). My grey one is still really ill. When we checked him today, it was even worse. There was more poop all over him and he stunk 😞 But luckily his medication arrived today so I hope that sorts things out, if not, off to the vets we go! I never knew you had a rabbit! My boys used to hump each other, it's a sign of dominance so when they came of age and the hormones started turning them crazy, there were lots of fights to become top rabbit. The grey one won because he's stronger but after they were snipped, he conceded leadership to the white one, who's now the boss. Getting them neutered pretty much fixed all that toxic masculinity and there was no more humping 😂

You're definitely a more positive person than me. I just always feel so down, but you're so optimistic. I wish I could be like you but it just hits me so hard - I'm not sure why 😢 I really hope your peritonitis hasn't caused any problems and whatever the issue is gets easily fixed. I really, really want good things for you! Being on your 8th cycle must suck 😞 My mental health would be in tatters. But you're right. There's always options. I'll speak with my GP and get the ball rolling. Let's see if anything will come of it 🙂🙂

We've had loads of sun here too. It's been cold, but sunny. I love it. The house looks really bright when the sun is shining. A little sunshine always makes me happy! Have you been out in the sun this weekend? Maybe gone for a little walk? Or have you been teasing your DP with more silliness? 😆😆 It's been a few days since I've bullied DH. I might try to get him really annoyed tonight for no reason 😂😂

Yeaaaah! We drove past the new Banksy painting yesterday. So cool!! I wonder who he is! Do you have any ideas? Some people think he's the guy from Art Attack. Neil whats-his-face.

I can't wait for our meet up to happen! It's so cool our other halves are in similar fields so it'll be easier to find things to talk about! And if it's during summer, we'll have to find an activity to do too.

How's your jacket coming along? Today, we moved all the kitchen stuff from the old place to the new place and unpacked them into cupboards. Tomorrow we'll probably get our clothes. Then furniture will join us on Tuesday. I'll defo send you a video once we're properly moved in and settled.

DH's birthday was busy 😂 doing more house stuff. Poor guy. Last year his birthday was overshadowed by our wedding. This year, it's the house. I haven't bought his gift yet but he said I should keep the money for the house, but I think I'll still get him the massager. It means I can use mostly for myself 😂

Are you and your DP planning to do anything together this week while you're home or will you do the chores yourself now? 😂😂

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ButterscotchBabe · 07/03/2021 12:27

Oh babe I'm sorry ☹️, I wish I could give you a big hug. I've got spotting today and cramps so af will probably start later today.

You've got the progesterone now to try this cycle and if that doesn't work, why don't you approach your GP, tell them you've been trying for a year and let them do some investigations or refer you to a fertility consultant. That way if you go through the NHS, you can keep progressing without having to pay.

I completely understand how difficult it is, this is my 8th cycle but I've had many years with previous long term partners and never got pregnant. All I can do is keep positive and think of practical solutions. Try and do the same otherwise you'll drive yourself mad or become very depressed.

Worse case scenario you'll need IVF but know that the option is there and you'll be entitled to NHS funding. How many rounds you get will depend on your local NHS trust, some offer 3, some only offer 1. It most likely won't come to that but if you accept that IVF is an option, at least you'll know whatever happens, you will end up with a baby.

Have a pyjama day, get DH to give you a massage, watch some movies, have a drink and order a takeaway. This pain will pass, it's worse when af first arrives. You're strong I know you'll get through this, one day when you've got your child/children you'll be able to tell them how much they were wanted!

@Cinderellashoes thank you for your kind words to uncliche 😊, it does feel very unfair that for a minority of us it doesn't happen easily ☹️.

Cinderellashoes · 07/03/2021 09:01

Hi @unCliche I haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if I’m off the mark but I tried for 12 cycles before I got pregnant and I remember feeling exactly the same, this will never happen etc. I just wanted to wish you good luck as I remember so clearly feeling the way you are now x

unCliche · 07/03/2021 08:51

Nothing says AF like a blood-covered vagina. I started yesterday evening. But I knew it was coming because there was blood when I wiped in the morning. I was kind of depressed yesterday. I just didn't have the headspace to message you back. I'm just a little bit tired now. I feel stuck. DH's weight won't change over night and nor will his sperm count. I just don't think it'll happen naturally. And now with the house and all the work we need to do to it, I can't see us having money for fertility treatment any time soon. I might as well cut out my uterus and throw it in the river. It'll probably have a better chance in there than in me. Six cycles and not even a hint of a line. At least a chemical pregnancy would show sperm is meeting egg. But who knows what the fuck is happening in there. I can't imagine the next six months being any different either. I didn't even bother taking a HPT this cycle. Not even an IC because what's the fucking point?? It only gets harder the longer we try and now we have a house, the questions will start about kids and I have no idea how I'm going to face them when they come. How am I meant to say we're practically infertile? Sitting in this fucking house with rooms that'll never get filled. DH and I prattling around like two fucking pensioners with only rabbits to call our babies. Fuck this! Fuck it all. I'm fucking tired. Fuck DH. Fuck his fucking sperm. Fuck my fucking ovaries. Fuck everything!

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ButterscotchBabe · 06/03/2021 08:27

Temp has gone up again today but when I wiped this morning there was a slight brown tinge to the creamy cm, so I think af will arrive tomorrow. Oh that sucks about the watery cm, probably a sign of estrogen? Anymore symptoms for you or has af arrived?

Yay you're in, you're officially homeowners! 🎉🎉 That's so cute the bunnies snuggling up together, they'll be wondering what's going on! Do they ever hump each other?? I used to have a male rabbit and he would hump anything he could get on 😂😂.

No more symptoms for me, I only had that very light brief cramping a few days ago, nothing since. Is your af predicted to arrive tomorrow? I think your LP is normally 11 days? Yeh it does suck to hit the 6 month mark but I try and view it as each month it doesn't happen, you're getting closer to it happening! When af arrives I'll be on my 9th cycle but I think because I was warned I might have trouble conceiving because of the peritonitis, I've always expected it not to be easy. It's probably harder for you because there's no known reason why it's not happening 🤔.

Lol your DH was probably hoping he could get away with not doing another SA 😂. If you've never had an infection or surgery in that area, then it's unlikely your tubes would be blocked but worth checking. I don't think you need to have clomid to be eligible for IVF but it's normally their first thing to try. However I'm considering getting them to investigate adhesions on my ovarys or womb because there's no point me taking clomid if there's scarring causing a blockage.

Oh no! I wonder if he was nervous of the move and maybe that caused the diarrhea? That's lucky he was calm and let you get the poo off him, that must of been quite difficult being caked into the fur! Haha yeh hairy food isn't the best 😂😂

We've had quite a few sunny days lately, I'm guessing it's been raining where you are? Haha yeh it's fun to act childish and seek attention 😊😂😂. Not much else to do at the moment anyway!

Have you seen the new Banksy painting?

Wowsers that salary is tasty! But yeh something less senior would probably be more appropriate. When we get to meet up in Bristol they can have a good chat about data!

Last day was good thanks, just finishing off some work, it was quite chilled. I'm gonna carry on working on the jacket today, try and make some more progress! Will you be spending the weekend packing?

How was your DH birthday? What did you end up getting him?

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unCliche · 05/03/2021 20:12

Phew! What a day! I had a little cry when I went to check my CM and saw it was really, really watery. And there was a lot there! So another unsuccessful cycle. I was in the middle of being sad when we got the call that we could collect the keys to the new house, so I wasn't in the mood to be excited. I did cheer up eventually, especially as we've now moved the rabbits in. They're a bit nervous so they've stayed in one spot all day, just snuggled up together sleeping.

Yaaay! For your temp rise! Sounds like something positive to celebrate today 😊 You're pretty deep into implantation zone, have you been feeling anything? I've worn a bra all day so I'm not sure what my boobs and nipples are doing but I know they'll somehow be doing something that shows AF is coming. The 6 month mark is kind of depressing though. The majority of people TTC would have been successful by now, so we're in the minority, which sucks. Plus if we were over 35, we'd be expected to see our GPs 😔

Well, the consultant is keen on having DH doing another SA and he pretty much thinks that I'm fine and DH is the one to worry about. Maybe after this cycle of progesterone, we'll have DH do another SA and maybe I'll get my tubes checked too. After two cycles on clomid, will you be eligible for IVF on the NHS then?

Rabbits can definitely be trained! They're very intelligent. Just stubborn 😅😂 They can understand their name and simple words, like NO! Today I checked my rabbits and my grey one had poop all over his bottom and caked into his fur. Poor baby. I wonder if he's the one who had diarrhoea. We cleaned him up with some wipes and he was surprisingly very calm and didn't make a fuss. Maybe he knew we were helping him. We'll definitely be covering our furniture as they're currently set up in the living room! Kitchen/Dining room wouldn't be appropriate with fur flying everywhere!

Garden jobs?? In this weather? The grass would be too wet to be mowed unless he wants to do some weeding? Haha you're silly! I love it! That's definitely something I'd do to DH 🤣🤣🤣 I love attention seeking 😁

Ah annoying! Ok, I'll get DH to update me on roles that come up that require a little less experience. DH said the salary for the role is 90k, so it's definitely a very senior role and a lot of work too.

How was your last day before your time off?

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ButterscotchBabe · 05/03/2021 10:25

Temp went back up a little this morning so there's still hope! How are you today? Did you decide not to test?

Yeh we'll still keep trying whilst waiting for the Clomid, I wouldn't want to waste a cycle but it definitely helps having low expectations 😂. Although even with low expectations it still hurts everytime af arrives. I didn't think much of the 6 month mark because supposedly it takes a year for 80% of couples to get pregnant and 2 years for 90%.

You've still got a really good chance each cycle and especially now you've got progesterone to help. How many cycles do you think you will try progesterone for before going back to the consultant? I'm planning on trying Clomid for 2 cycles and then I'll seek IVF.

It's a postcode lottery for how long a waiting list your local NHS trust has, you can speed things up by paying for the tests and appointments and apparently it's easy to then be swapped over to NHS funding for IVF.

I'm not sure you can train rabbits 😕. Haha your DH will love you spraying everything in purfume 😂😂. Also it might not be good for the rabbits to breathe in, for furniture I'd recommend covering it in blankets when the rabbits are out, or keep them in a room where you don't mind if things get chewed.

He's not doing a lot at the moment, he keeps wanting to do garden jobs but I want him to do house jobs 😂. When DP was working if I wanted his attention I would steal his phone, put it down my pants and run and hide. Then he'd have to come and find me and get it off me 😂😂. The perks of home working!

Thanks for sending that role, I showed DP and the job looks really interesting and he liked the company your DH works for. The experience required is bit above DP's ability at the moment and getting to London on a regular basis would be costly. However it's definitely something he'd be interested in, in the future, thank you for thinking of him 😊.

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