Page 11 | 9DPO Symptom Spotting

unCliche · 2020-11-22T11:31:22+00:00

Hey *@ButterscotchBabe*! Continuing our chat here 😁 I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news! Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me. I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too. I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you! I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

ButterscotchBabe · 25/04/2021 21:26

Oh wow you're really going for it! When is the appointment? Hopefully you haven't got too long to wait. I looked into ABC in Bristol before contacting the NHS clinic here but I now know I wouldn't have been a suitable candidate. That will be amazing if you can have IVF in July! I'll probably still be waiting for more tests...🐌🐌🐌

So we'll probably both end up with IVF babies! How does your DH feel about going through IVF? Although there isn't much for him to do 😂.

Yeh I take the beta blockers probably once or twice a week, I just take it when I get symptoms. Have you had anymore palpitations today?

Hmm that's strange your cakes turned out flat, did you definitely use self raising flour? Maybe you could layer them and put some icing in-between?? How did you find using the mixer? Ah that's interesting, well I suppose less sugar can only be good for me 😂.

We can't get to anything on foot, our house is quite rural and there's no public transport. We can get to a pub in a 5 min drive and shops in a 15 min drive. I guess for you whilst the weather is good the extra walk is okay, is there public transport you can use in the winter?

Haha yes true! Injecting yourself goes against your natural instinct to not cause yourself pain. Whereas you can't feel it doing it to someone else 😂😂.

The beaches are always very busy, we get a lot of tourists down here, the M5 is a nightmare on Fridays! Any parks, zoos, gardens and places to walk get very busy on bank holidays and throughout July & August.

Aww I'm sure she'll get used to the grass quickly, it's just a texture she's not used to.

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unCliche · 25/04/2021 18:57

Just booked in a consultation for IVF!

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unCliche · 25/04/2021 17:34

I think maybe it's time for me to start thinking about IVF. I'm looking into shoebox IVF which is cheaper but your AMH levels need to be above 12 because they use a simpler process and lower dose of medication. It's £2500 at ABC IVF so I may reach out to them. They say once you have your tests and scans, the process can start as soon as the next cycle. So if I can get us booked in by May/June, we can start the process by July and we'll have a baby in time for our second year wedding anniversary.

Do you still take your beta blockers? It's probably not necessary for me, it doesn't happen often. Doubtful of a BFP this cycle or any going forward.

I made my cakes but they were a bit shit. I think I over-mixed the batter. But they do taste very lemony. I made sure to put more lemon juice and zest than what was required. Mine looks so flat compared to yours. Yours looks cute and puffy. With lemon drizzle the ratio of the butter, sugar and flour is usually 1:1:1.

Do you have any local restaurant/bars/clubs that are walking distance? Since we moved further away from Reading town centre, we have to walk a bit to get there but there are some nice local places here too.

Haha not helpful at all! I think injecting yourself is harder because you have the power to stop yourself. When it's someone else, they can just inject you when you least expect it. "Ok, I'm doing it in 5.... 5 - 4 - 💉 - done!"

It will be in the UK. Going to Greece would have been lovely but unfortunately, the travel situation hasn't changed much! What do people get up to in the South West??

No, we want her to be outdoors. She's a bit scared of grass (or maybe it's the birds of prey flying overhead) and when we pick her up and try to take her into the garden, she grabs hold of us and tries to get as far away from the grass as possible. Hopefully she'll wander out there herself and get used to it. But first microchipping! ASAP! She looooves her treats! Shake it and she's on her way 😂

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ButterscotchBabe · 25/04/2021 13:20

Oh no! I'm sorry it was negative ☹️☹️, sending hugs 🤗🤗. I think maybe you should ask for clomid or letrozole which will ensure ovulation happens properly and then your body will probably produce enough progesterone on its own. The consultant maybe willing to prescribe it now that you've been trying a while. You'd need to speak to them quickly though as you need to start taking it between CD2 and CD5.

There's a chance you had a late implantation and it's not showing yet, so you could take one more pessary today and then stop? Oh no that's not good with the heart palpitations, it most likely will be anxiety. Beta blockers are great for calming down adrenaline and stopping the physical signs of anxiety. However if you only get it occasionally then you might not need them but something to consider if it keeps happening.

My temp is still relatively high, haven't managed to hit 36.8 yet but it's probably all down hill from now!

Lemon cakes tasted better this morning, I think when we ate them last night they were still warm so hadn't settled yet. Although the lemon taste is quite mild so I would recommend adding more lemon. This is the recipe I followed:

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/lilys-lemon-cupcakes

However I increased the ingredients to:
250g butter
175g sugar
250g flour
3 medium eggs (but I recommend using 3 large eggs)
Zest of 1 whole lemon
Juice of half lemon (but I recommend using all the lemon juice)

Or maybe follow a different recipe with the correct amount of ingredients 😂😂, it's always dodgy when you try to amend it!

Nah we drove to the pub as it's too far to walk 😂. I'm just gonna have a day at home today and make more progress with the dress. Lovely weather though 🌞🌞

I already said to DP if I have to have injections he'll need to do it and he was like 'ah no way, I can't do that!' I said well you're gonna have to learn because I can't stab myself! Surely it's easier to inject someone else than yourself 😂😂. Haha aww that's sweet of your DH but not helpful!

Nah no plans for bank holiday atm, it's always so busy in the South West! Will you be going to Greece or are his friends in the UK?

Ahh that must have been scary! Did you want her to be an indoor cat or were you planning on letting her out when she's been microchipped? That's lucky she came back for the treats, I didn't think cats would be that easy to lure!

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unCliche · 25/04/2021 10:54

I was going to make lemon drizzle cupcakes too but we forgot to buy eggs! So DH will get some today and I'll bake mine this afternoon. What do you think went wrong with yours apart from too few eggs? I'm not sure that not putting in enough eggs would alter the taste, just the texture. Also which recipe did you follow?

Annoying about the dress but you live and you learn! Hopefully it'll work once you cut out the pieces again.

So I got a BFN as you can see in the pic above. I'm in half a mind to stop taking the progesterone so I don't waste it on an unfertilised egg. There's really no point trying to keep my LP going when there's nothing to keep it going for. I had some cramping this morning which could be because my normal AF is due soon. Also been having random heart palpitations. Out of nowhere, my heart would beat really hard for a beat or two. Maybe it's just anxiety. I just want this cycle to be over but I don't want to have to face another cycle either. I don't even care enough to cry.

How is your cycle going so far? Are your temps still high?

Haha that's two workouts more than me! 😂 Did you walk to the pub at least? I mostly stayed in yesterday. And I'll probably be doing the same today. Sounds like you had a good time yesterday! Good food is always a bonus!

Injections would probably be worse. Your DP would have to do them for you. Do you think he'd be able to? I asked DH to help me prick my finger with a lancet when I was doing my progesterone test and he said no then ran away. Said he didn't want to cause me pain 🙄 so your DP better start mentally preparing himself! 😂

Bank holiday soon! Will you be doing anything for it? It's Greek Easter that weekend so DH and I will visit some of his Greek friends and celebrate with them.

Also Aski ran out of the house yesterday night!! I forgot I hadn't shut the door properly and when I saw it was open, I knew she would be out there! Went out and saw her at the end of drive staring at me. I called her name, walked towards her then she ran away! I thought she ran off down the street (it was pitch black so never saw where she went) but she was hiding under the car in our drive, so DH went to get her treats bag, shook it and she came running in. Her antics almost gave me a heart attack! She's not microchipped yet!!!

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unCliche · 25/04/2021 09:49

I wanted to share my BFN but I'll respond to your last message once I get on my laptop.

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ButterscotchBabe · 24/04/2021 22:20

I made lemon cupcakes but they don't taste quite right, they're also very crumbly. I increased the ingredients as it wasn't enough but I think maybe they needed more egg 🤔. Did you end up making any cakes?

Was hoping to finish the dress tonight but I've made a major blunder. The back pieces aren't wide enough, because of the slit one piece of fabric needs to folder over the other, which meant the neck area got narrowed and didn't line up with the front straps. So now I need to cut 2 more back pieces!

Good luck for test day tomorrow!! Got my fingers and toes crossed for you 🤞🤞🤞

Maybe the increased progesterone has caused a spike in your heart rate, I think when your temp is higher, your heart rate raises too. Hopefully it's not raised enough to feel uncomfortable. I guess we can't complain too much about not having symptoms, I'm sure we'll get them in pregnancy 😂.

I have 2 or 3 FRERs left, can't remember, it's been so long since I looked! Af or spotting always starts before I get to 10DPO, so often I don't test. Does your DH know you'll be testing?

Hmmm that is strange with the boob/chest pain. I guess you'll know it was hormones if your af arrives and it disappears. If you get BFP then it might not go!

Haha I've done 2 work outs in about the past 2 months 😂, I have no excuse, I should be moving more! But today we went to the pub instead 😂😂. It was a country pub so out the way of the main city and wasn't too busy which was nice. I had a Southern fried chicken burger and two large glasses of wine 🤪😎😂. Have you managed to get out in the sun or just had a chilled day?

That's awesome your progesterone levels have doubled! I'm surprised the consultant wasn't more concerned about your previous results because under 30 is considered not ovulatory. I guess it was borderline but it shows there's a problem. Hopefully your persistence will pay off! Haha oh no I'm not looking forward to trying it up the bum 😂😂. Although I think having to inject stims everyday is probably worse 😳😳.

Well I'll certainly take 4 babies over none! Twins I'm waiting for you!!

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unCliche · 24/04/2021 12:47

Inversely proportional I meant! But indirect works too! 🤓

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unCliche · 24/04/2021 12:45

Really awesome looking chart! So good that your temps are staying up. I'm really excited about how this cycle is going to go for you, even if it's just a longer LP! Any improvement is a win! Also, welcome to the implantation zone 💃

Haha emotional blackmail 😂😂 Guess you being anxious didn't faze them 😂 Maybe they'll come back to you on Monday, just try and focus on something else in the meantime. Is there some sort of formula that can convert FSH numbers into AMH since they're indirectly proportional with each other? If so, that could give you a guesstimate of what to expect.

Yeah, generally, RHR increases with progesterone but I was really interested in that jump at 8DPO. I wonder why my heart rate spiked out of nowhere. My temps are still doing ok. I don't think the cramping means anything, they were so mild that it was probably all my my head. I have this strong inkling that AF will be showing up, I can't imagine being lucky enough to conceive naturally 😔 Looks like it's a pretty symptomless cycle for the both of us. I haven't really felt anything different! But with my progesterone being higher, my hormones could just be better balanced hence not having any weird symptoms.

Test day tomorrow. I think I'll be using a FRER to make sure I get accurate results. I'm not looking forward to it. I haven't tested in months! Do you still have a stock of FRERs?

I did a push up against the wall to engage my chest muscle and see if there was any pain but it felt fine. When I life my arm up, the part where my boob meets my armpit hurts. It makes it hard to tell the source of the pain. But since the pain hasn't gone down, I'll assume it's hormones related. Have you continued working out? I'm so fat now! I have a mum-bod without being a mum 😂

Haha he can't say it's too cold this time! The weather is lovely! Enjoy getting out of the house and have a drink for me 🥂 let me know how it goes. It'll probably be packed.

My previous progesterone result was 27.3 nmol/L so it's pretty much doubled! I'm so pleased my body is responding to it! Up the bum seems to be a good a way as any 😁 10/10 definitely recommend 😂😂😂 I really, really, really can't wait until you're on the pessaries 🤣

Well, I still think you deserve 4 babies! I'll be sending a double dose of twins your way 🧚‍♀️

I loooove a lemon drizzle! Do it! Do it! And then share pics. I'll need to go out and buy some ingredients but I agree, cupcakes are better 🧁

I'm looking forward to seeing your dress! I think it'll be amazing. Once the weather starts warming up, you'll have a great excuse to wear it out and about. I don't really have any plans this weekend. I'm just going to relax and do nothing.

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ButterscotchBabe · 24/04/2021 07:05

Haha I highly doubt I'll get a BFP but I suppose stranger things have happened!

I'm really annoyed that the clinic didn't ring me with my AMH results, it's cruel for them to try and keep that information from me. The second time I called I told them I'm expecting bad results, so it's causing me anxiety not knowing.

Your temp is still looking good! Interesting to see your RHR increase, is that a sign of higher progesterone levels? Your 9DPO now so those cramps could mean implantation has already happened 😀. I've got no symptoms at all!

With the pain in your boob, chest and armpits, does it hurt when you do things or when you are still? If it's muscle pain it would hurt when you engage the muscles but if it hurts when you're lying still, then it's probably not muscular and possibly more related to hormones.

Apparently we're gonna go to the pub today! Will let you know how it goes and if we actually make it there 😂.

Wow that was quick!! Yay that's a great result! What was the number previously? At least if there is a baby in there, you know your body has the right level of hormones to keep the pregnancy going 😊.

Aww thanks that's very sweet of you 😊, although I don't think I want 4 babies 😂, 3 is my max!

Yes use your mixer! 😀 I'm thinking cupcakes because they're a bit easier than one big cake. Maybe lemon drizzle flavour? Or chocolate with chocolate chips 🤔.

He's gonna ask about a contract in his call with them next week but he doesn't want to push them too much because it won't make things move faster. I think their response will be, we can't send you a contract until we've got your staff number 🙄.

My main goal for the weekend is to make a maxi dress 👗🧵. I cut out the pattern last night and made a practice slit on some old fabric. So far so good! How about you, have you got any plans?

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unCliche · 23/04/2021 16:15

Yay! Awesome temps! Things are really looking up. You're right, your current chart is following a very similar pattern to your Feb one. A 10+ day LP would be amazing, but a BFP would be even better. Stranger things have happened so I don't think you should count yourself out for a natural BFP. If you get a BFP, I'm coming to Devon and we're having a party! 🥳

My temps went down slightly again. Generally, when my temps start falling it means AF is coming but I'm not too concerned as it only went down to 36.93 and some variability is normal I suppose, plus I'm no longer on vitamins and the progesterone will impact things further, so I'm taking it all with a pinch of salt. My only surprise is my RHR, which I've plotted. It jumped today, which is my highest ever, however, it's probably just because of the build up of progesterone.

Yeah, the restaurant was really busy! They had to bring out a table for us as there was none available. They gave us blankets but I definitely think heaters would have been better. You should look to going somewhere, I didn't realise how much I missed seeing other maskless humans. It was nice!

I've been too scared to check my CM in case I see watery or EWCM. I sometimes get it at 8DPO and AF starts two days after. Boob pain sometimes reduces in the morning, so it's not strange but now the pain has really ramped up. I'm really confused because it feels like muscle pain. I'm trying to remember if I lifted anything heavy yesterday because I have pain in my armpits and chest and I can't be sure that it's not just my boob pain spreading to other areas, but it does feel quite muscular. Apart from that, only very mild AF-type cramping but I've gotten cramps at 8DPO before so who knows... How about you? How are you feeling? Early implantation is possible at 5DPO.

Literally just received info about my progesterone test! That was so quick 😱 So this month's result is....

I haven't read it yet!! Eeeeeek!! Nervous!!!

Ok, it's....

60.3 nmol/L!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooo!!! Obviously it was artificially increased but it's good to know the cyclogest is working!

Defo let me know straight away when you get your AMH results.

You're 100% the stronger person out of the both of us! I'm not sure I'd be able to go! But you're so positive! You deserve at least four babies! You'll be the best mum ever. And you can take your four babies to gatherings with your DPs friends.

Ooooo weekend baking sounds like a plan. I may have to join you and finally use that mixer! What kind of cake are you thinking of making?

It's still risky if he hasn't got a signed contract. I think I got my contract first before all identity checks were completed. Obviously there were clauses in the contract about passing checks but at least it protected me from having the offer withdrawn. Ask him to chase about the contract, that's the most important thing right now.

The weather is so lovely today! Do you have any plans for the weekend! It'll be nice doing something outdoors 🌞 I've just had a housefly fly in through the window, so the bugs are coming out for the warm weather!

Ok I'm going to check my CM because I feel kind of wet 😭 Ok, phew! Still creamy and cervix is pretty soft!

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ButterscotchBabe · 23/04/2021 13:30

Temp back up this morning 😊, looks like this cycle is following the same pattern as my Feb cycle, so could be another 10 day LP! How's your temp today?

I rang the clinic again and they said my request has been referred to the doctor 🤔. Last time a nurse rang me back with my results (FSH, LH & Progesterone), so that doesn't sound good 😕.

Thats nice you went out 😊, I miss having a meal out at a restaurant! Was it busy? Shame it was cold, you might have to look for somewhere with outdoor heaters, there's a couple of places here that have them.

CM has now turned creamy and there was quite a bit this morning, hormones have finally caught up 😂. Strange the progesterone hasn't changed your symptoms, I guess it's just a top up of your natural hormones. Does your boob pain normally do that or has it been constant in previous cycles? As you take the pessary at midday, I wonder if it takes a few hours to kick in and that's why the pain is worse in the evening 🤔.

Yeh changed arms for a couple of the tests! I'm just waiting on AMH and SA results but they won't tell me SA so I can only get AMH (if they ever call me).

Aww hopefully you'll get a BFP soon and then you can arrange to meet your old neighbours. Yeh it's gonna be a bit shit being surrounded by babies but I know I will get a baby, it's just the 'how' that is unknown at the moment.

Oooh Korean sounds good 😋. I can never think of recipes myself, I tend to use BBC Good Food for ideas! Right now I'm thinking about making cakes but that's naughty... 😈😇

We'd probably buy an outdoor run separate as the hutch will remain indoors, so there won't be room to attach it. I think once DP starts work he'll feel happier about us spending money on a rabbit.

He hasn't had a contract yet but has had email confirmation of the employment and has been in regular contact with his new Manager. I think it's just processes, the identity check seemed to take a ridiculous amount of time!

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unCliche · 22/04/2021 22:49

When did you do your AMH test?? I can't remember you saying you'd done it, unless I've mixed up everything that's happened so far. Oh yeah, I've just gone back and seen you had it the same day you had your scan. It was only mentioned briefly so it must not have registered. And then you kept talking about AMH results and I still didn't clock! Let's hope they come back to you tomorrow then!

DH and I have just come back in from a restaurant! First visit in a long time. But it was outdoors and we were freezing! How's your evening been?

Yay on your temps. Your chart seems very stable! Do you feel any different this cycle? Your BBT chart are like the model charts that have a bit of zig-zagging, a significant rise and then more zig-zagging!

My CM has been the same as usual. Creamy yet very scarce. The progesterone hasn't really changed my symptoms. Everything is exactly the same as normal, minus my temps. I thought I'd be convinced I was pregnant while on the progesterone, but I feel the complete opposite! How about your CM now? Has it turned creamy?

Boob pain is terrible again. The pain seems to go down in the morning and then increase in the evening. Glad to hear some of your symptoms have calmed down.

That's quite a lot of blood tests in a short space of time. Did you have to change arms for each test? I still remember one time I was having blood drawn and my vein couldn't be found so I just had this needle being moved around inside me. Thank God I'm not squeamish. So, you're basically waiting back for two results now?

I don't really feel anything about her knowing. Just sad for myself mostly. I'd love to see my old neighbours but every time I see them, I start crying! I don't want to be bawling for no reason while I'm with them. How will you cope next month being surrounded by babies? I think that's even worse!

Yeah, you get to choose your meals. I made a Korean meal yesterday. It was really good! Plus it gives you ideas for recipes too. I'm terrible at thinking up new things to make so it's nice having some variety.

The hutch you linked looks cool. Lots of space! Will you buy it with the run too?

😱 He's still waiting! And he hasn't signed a contract yet?

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ButterscotchBabe · 22/04/2021 20:10

So this morning I decided I couldn't wait any longer and rang the clinic asking for my AMH results. They said a nurse would call me back but no-one called 😭. So I'll have to chase them again tomorrow 🙄. DP says I should leave them alone and not chase but it's horrible to be expecting bad results and not knowing for definite.

Good to see your temp still high 😊 mine went back up a little but it's never high enough 😂.

No more EWCM today, must have been a lot stored up there from ovulation and maybe just took it's time coming down! How's your cm? Any different to normal?

Haha if in doubt use the back entrance 😂😂😂

This is the hutch I would like to buy, it's an outdoor one but we'd have it indoors
homeandroost.co.uk/product/hutch-4ft-chartwell-double/

No symptoms for me, my back pain and cramps have gone thank god, the back pain was awful. Interesting your boob pain got bad and then got better?! Maybe your boob pain isn't directly related to your levels of progesterone 🤔.

Gosh yeh it must be awful for people that have to take blood every day! In the past month I've had 4 blood tests, 1 X FSH & LH, 2 X progesterone and 1 X AMH. I think my veins need a break 😂.

Good idea to get another cycle of progesterone if needed, hopefully it won't be! I can't get anything prescribed until I have the next consultation and that won't be until I've had a couple more scans.

That's funny your Mum inquired 😂, do you feel relieved that she knows or has it put more pressure on? Aww you don't want to ruin the friendship with your old neighbours, your baby will come 😊. Do you not think you'd be able to cope for a couple of hours? Next month we're going to visit a group of DP's old uni friends and most of them have babies 🙄.

I've seen their adverts but never ordered Gousto or Hello Fresh, do you get to choose what meals are delivered?

The job DP secured back in Feb still hasn't given him a start date, he was expecting to start on Monday but today was told they still haven't got a staff number for him. Without a staff number they can't order any computer equipment. Everything takes so long in the public sector!!

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unCliche · 22/04/2021 10:36

Temp went back down to 36.95, but it's still high! I think when your natural levels of progesterone drops it can bring your progesterone down enough to induce AF but some people do have to stop taking it for AF to come on. I think maybe if AF doesn't start at 14DPO, I'll stop taking it.

Really weird, have you searched around for what it could mean? I would say secondary estrogen surge but wouldn't it be too early for that? Plus your temps didn't come down a lot. It could also mean nothing. I know someone from another thread who got EWCM during her LP and she still got pregnant so maybe this could be a good sign too.

Haha I can't say I prefer the back way as I haven't done it up the front to be able to compare the difference but after reading about messy leakages, having to lie down afterwards and cervical irritation and bleeding, I'll take my chances with up the back. The constipation hasn't been so bad anymore. I've been eating cereal in the morning for some extra fibre.

Haha turning the enclosure upside down isn't a good idea after all. They can get out but I can't get in 😂 send pics of the hutches your considering! You can also get 60cm panels similar to the enclosure I have so can make a 60 x 120cm space.

Boob pain got worse yesterday evening! But it's a bit better today. Have you started getting any symptoms yet? Yes, I posted my progesterone test yesterday, I'll probably get my results back on Monday or Tuesday. My finger is killing me! Those lancets are not fun, how do diabetics do it? Their fingers must have thick skin from all the glucose tests they have to do.

I'll definitely be getting progesterone again next cycle. Since I know my body is reacting to it, it must be working. Some people don't get temp increases because they already have enough natural progesterone. Do you think you can get it prescribed for yourself while you wait for your other tests? My consultant said supplementing with progesterone doesn't hurt so it could be an option for now before they give you clomid.

Well my mum sort of knows we're trying. She asked whether we haven't started yet or whether it just hasn't happened and I said it hasn't happened yet. And that was that. I've been putting off meeting up with my old neighbours and they've been asking what's wrong but I don't want to tell them we're infertile while they're enjoying parenthood with their little one.

DH and I have been trying out Gousto (similar to Hello Fresh where they deliver ingredients for different meals) and the meals have been quite nice! Have you tried anything like that before? We used to have cooked meals delivered daily but I'm too much of a fussy eater so didn't like a lot of what was made. I think being given the ingredients means I can add/remove things I do/don't like.

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ButterscotchBabe · 21/04/2021 20:36

I reckon your temp will stay quite high for a few more days, hopefully longer! I wonder how the body knows when to shed the womb lining when it's getting extra progesterone 🤔

Unsure on the EWCM, I had a small bit yesterday and just assumed it was left over from ovulation but there was quite a bit today. There must still be some estrogen lurking around! I did an OPK and it was negative so def not ovulating again.

Haha well since you prefer it the back way, maybe I should give that a try 😂😂😂.

That's a good idea to have an enclosure instead of a hutch, we don't have enough room for 160cm, I've been looking at hutches for 120cm but that have two floors. Haha is that because if you turn the enclosure upside down you could have the door open? Aski watching them 😂

Your boob pain might get worse tomorrow, I reckon that's gonna be the height of the Progesterone levels! I also think you'll have a longer LP, probably 13 days. That's great you got the results 2 days after posting! Did you manage to post your test today?

If this cycle isn't successful, do you think you'll ask for another prescription?

I haven't told anyone about TTC yet, I might wait until I've got the results of the AMH test and scans, then I'll know if I do have diminished ovarian reserve and hydrosalpinx. If I definitely have both those things then I might tell my parents to manage their expectations on future grandchildren! Do you think you'll tell anyone else about TTC?

Haha my Mum will love you for saying that! 😊

Yeh it's a shame some women feel the need to act that way. It is possible to get far and be nice!

It was really annoying earlier, took me about 10 mins of refreshing the page before it would post. Sometimes pressing 'preview' first makes it work but not this time!

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unCliche · 21/04/2021 16:40

I've realised I can just turn the enclosure upside down and the stool wouldn't be needed 🤦‍♀️

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unCliche · 21/04/2021 16:21

Found a pic with their stool! Good thing rabbits can jump 😉

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unCliche · 21/04/2021 16:14

Haha I don't think it'll get any higher. It'll probably zig-zag for a while or maybe start dropping, but it's nice to see my body is responding to the extra progesterone.

I don't think your drop is too bad. It seems like a pretty normal LP pattern. It'll probably go up again tomorrow. 🤔 That's interesting, I wonder what the EWCM means? Maybe you're ovulating again? Some people can ovulate multiple times in a single cycle although I'm not sure how that'll impact the egg that's already released! Strange.

Haha! You definitely will! Do you think you'll take the pessaries the front or the back way? 😂😂 Hahahaaa! Gosh I can't wait for you experience it. Everything about it is just gruesome... The things we do to make a baby...

I bought a hutch for the rabbits when they were outdoors and they never really used it. They used to sleep on top of it instead and lining it with straw became very wasteful. Now that they're indoors, I just have an 80 x 160 cm enclosure and a litter tray with their hay mounted on the inside. I put a little stool at the front so they can leave the enclosure and run around the living room but right now, they're under house-arrest for naughty behaviour. But definitely, startup costs are pricy but don't feel like you need to go overboard, pets rarely appreciate the price of things 😂

Boob pain hasn't increased!! 😱 I always did think that my sore boobs were caused by reaching my peak progesterone level, but I probably have more progesterone than my body has ever had, and it definitely responded to it quite quickly as my temps shot up by 5DPO so I would have expected soreness to start then. Also, I keep confused CD with DPO but at least you still know what I mean! Clearly losing my mind! I'm absolutely knackered 😴 It would be interesting to have a 14 day LP but your period can start on the pessaries so I may have another 10/11 day LP, which would be so annoying! When I did my last progesterone test, it took about 2 days from posting it to receive the results, it was very quick.

6DPO and I've been expecting horrible symptoms but seems my body is actually being kind me 😅

With everything that's happening with you, have you told anyone you're TTC or do you think you'll go through the whole process without telling anyone? Since you have a lot happening, it might be good to get some real life support.

Also, I forgot to say that I saw your mum wearing the jacket on Instagram! It looked so good and she looked fabulous and youthful! 👏

Being the only female is something you get used to in tech. There weren't that many ladies in my degree so it's something that we learn to live with. Luckily the men I've worked with have been great. I've never felt like my gender is something obvious. I get what you mean about working with women. I feel like they feel they have to change their persona to compete against men, by being direct, rude and disrespectful.

😂😂😂 The title will definitely be juicy, to attract new readers 😂 as if anyone even cares 😂😂😂

I thought the whole posting issue had been fixed but sometimes I have to refresh too.

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ButterscotchBabe · 21/04/2021 13:01

😱 That's awesome your temp hit 37!! You'll have high expectations now 😂.

My BBT dreams didn't last long 😂 back down today 🙄. I've also had EWCM, more left sided cramps and quite bad lower back pain. I think my hormones don't know what they're supposed to be doing!

😂😂😂 I'm sure I'll have the joys of pessaries at some point! But for now I'll be glad nothing needs to go up my bottom 😂😂. That's funny the wax comes out again, your rectum must suck it up, squeeze the juicy bits out and leave the waxy coating for you to expel when next on the loo! 😂😂

I'm still planning on getting a rabbit but DP wants to know what the score is with the fertility treatment. We'll know in the next couple of months whether I'll need IVF or not. He also wants to get a large high quality hutch, which is great but it's extra $$$, along with vaccinations, neutering, food, bedding, toys, carrier, outdoor pen. I think the monthly cost of owning a rabbit is cheap, it's just the start up costs that are high.

Out of baby, house & wedding, baby (IVF) has to come first as the older I get, the lower our chances and I want more than 1 baby!

I bet your boobs will start hurting more as the day goes on! I think you get most your symptoms on CD6 because it's the height of your progesterone levels (in a non medicated cycle). That's why the progesterone test is supposed to be in the middle of the LP, to catch the levels at their highest. Yours will definitely be higher this cycle! You didn't start taking the progesterone until 3DPO so it probably took a few days to build up in your body. I think you'll have a longer LP this time, so you may find tomorrow has the strongest symptoms, as that could be the middle day of your LP.

😂😂 haha how about The Sperm & Egg Adventures of an unCliche Butterscotch?? I don't know how we managed to have a thread called 9DPO symptom spotting because my af often starts then!

Ooh yes your progesterone test! How long did it take for you to get the results last time?

Our organisation overall is fairly even on gender but in my team there are 7 females and 3 males. I used to prefer working with men as I found them less bitchy and difficult but most the women in this team are lovely, apart from one! How do you find being the only technical female? Do the men treat you equally and with respect?

Urgh Mumsnet isn't letting me post again, having to keep refreshing the page!

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unCliche · 21/04/2021 11:57

Can we just start a new thread already? 9DPO symptom spotting hasn't led to anything good! 😂😂😂

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The unCliche Butterscotch Babes 🍬
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unCliche · 21/04/2021 10:06

Yess! I did end up hitting 37! Your temps look great! Look at that rise 😱 that's literally what BBT dreams are made of. I've never had anything close to that before. Hopefully it's only gone up today?

Hahahaaa!! 😱😱 I'd rather he didn't!! 😂😂😂 Pessaries up the rectum is almost already a step too far 😂😂😂😂

Nooo, we could have been rabbit twins! Rabbits are relatively cheap to own although getting them vaccinated and neutered/spayed can be pricy but their food is reasonably priced. But I suppose your DP is right, all these costs do add up and you guys have a lot to save for. What would pay for first? IVF?

That's really good news! So you only have to wait until this cycle is over, which isn't too far away. I'm glad it's not something you'll have to pay for too.

I started getting sore boobs last night, very very mild though, I could barely feel it - which is pretty usual for CD5 as the pain ramps up on CD6. So far this morning, less pain than yesterday. I can only feel a slight discomfort when I jiggle them. I wonder what it is about CD6, I'm sure other hormones must be at play - maybe my estrogen surge occurs then and causes my breast pain... it's weird that more progesterone hasn't changed the day the pain starts. No other symptoms apart from sleepiness and being a bit moody towards DH 😁 Maybe some sharp stabbing pain in my uterus too but only for a very short time but I get that sometimes, regardless of the cyclogest. You could just be less sensitive to hormonal changes, hence not getting many symptoms during the LP. I think I'm probably estrogen dominant.

😂😂😂😂😂 Yes, it's pretty chill putting them in now but I don't think I'll ever get used to how it feels when the pessary is moving upwards inside me 😱 but overall, it's been as pleasant as it can be. No mess, no pain, nothing. And then the wax comes out when I go to the toilet 😱😱😱💩

🤞🤞 Hoping for a happy ending for us! That's so true! I hate reading threads where a specific person has the same symptom that I'm experiencing during a particular cycle, and they never come back to update whether they got a BFP or not! I usually eventually find out that the symptoms mean nothing! 😂 What would our new thread be called? An unCliche Butterscotch 🍬? 😂😂😂

You have had longer LPs recently, maybe it'll be slightly longer this cycle too because it looks like your temps are doing really well so your progesterone could be higher this cycle. Speaking of progesterone, I need to remember to do a progesterone test today!!!

The talk went well thanks! Definitely not a lot of women in tech. I'm the only technical female in my team, which isn't great! But I'd very much like that to change! Do you work with more men or women?

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ButterscotchBabe · 20/04/2021 19:22

Wahey! Your temperature has reached a new high! That's amazing 😊 I wonder if you'll hit 37 tomorrow.

"I never knew sticking something up my bum could get me so excited!" 😂 Don't tell your DH, he might get ideas! 😂😂😂

My temp wasn't too bad this morning either 😀, much better than last cycle! Onwards and upwards!

DP is worrying about costs for IVF, wedding and house deposit, so is now trying to hold off getting a rabbit. So I don't know if/when we'll get one 😭.

In more positive news, I've received a letter from the Radiology department at the hospital advising they've received my request for a HSG scan (to check tubes) and I need to phone them on CD1 to book the scan. They need to do it before ovulation so there's no risk of pregnancy.

Oh gosh I hope your boob pain isn't horrendous because it's bad without the progesterone boost 😕. I guess more progesterone doesn't always equal more symptoms, seen as I have practically no symptoms in my luteal phase. No symptoms for me but it's too early, the embryo will still be in my tube. The potential Hydrosalpinx was on the right side, so as I've ovulated from the left side that might help but if it's leaking into the womb then it probably won't matter what side I ovulate from.

Have you found it easier inserting the pessaries now you've done it a few times?? 😂😂 Progesterone can cause tiredness, I think that's why it's a common symptom in early pregnancy.

Haha well at least you found the cause of the headache! Unsure if my headache is related to ovulation, I checked my previous charts and I noted headache at ovulation on cycle 8.

Yes I do wonder if anyone follows our thread, I suppose it's a bit like a diary or a live story. Fingers crossed it has a happy ending! We're on 468 messages now, I think the max per thread is 1000? When we get close, if we haven't conceived yet, we'll have to start a new thread early so that we can come back to this one and update it incase anyone is reading. There's nothing worse than having no closure!

I'll test if I make it to 10DPO without any spotting, normally I spot the day before af, so if I see spotting on 10DPO I probably won't waste a FRER.

Yep for ladies with PCOS, ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) is a real risk. They often have to abandon the cycle after egg collection and do a freeze all. So they won't put a fresh embryo in because the hormones will make the OHSS worse. They'll make the embryos and then freeze them for a FET (frozen embryo transfer) the following month.

The stretch jumper was a distaster, the fabric was fine to work with but the design I was going for did not suit the fabric. The fabric was quite stiff, like what you'd get with a bodycon dress, it didn't look right as a baggy jumper.

How did your talk go? Are there many women in tech at the moment?

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unCliche · 20/04/2021 08:17

Wow! Talk about highest temps ever! So the pessaries must be working!! I wish I'd gotten temps yesterday but this looks like a really good progression. I wonder if it'll get higher or just sort of hover around this temp 😄 I never knew sticking something up my bum could get me so excited!

With private breeders, you just have to be diligent. Make sure you see the rabbit's parents too. The woman who I got my rabbits from was a true and proper breeder, she had so many rabbits and guinea pigs and she also ran a rabbit hotel. I got to visit the boys to make sure all was ok before I put a deposit down (before covid) so ask to video chat and see the rabbits and check them over. It's obviously not the same as in person but at least you can see what you're getting. The rabbit litter you sent are so cute omg!! I would get a black one, so I have a black, grey and white rabbit - my monochrome rabbit family 😂. I also want an orange one, a bit brighter in colour to these ones. Which colour are you getting?

Yay left ovary twins! I haven't been getting any pain or cramping like I did last cycle. In fact, I haven't had any symptoms at all! Tomorrow is 6DPO so maybe my sore boobs will come in. I can't believe how evident my low progesterone is knowing my body has the ability to reach such high temps. Maybe this really is the fix I need 🤞 My only wish is that the sperm made it to my egg. Any symptoms for you? Although I guess it's still too early at 2DPO.

Yeah, I inserted yesterday's pessaries at the same time as the other day - at midday. I've been really constipated on them. I feel like a rabbit, popping out pellets 😂😂 was also pretty knackered yesterday but that could be unrelated, so apart from those things, it's been a breeze using them (so far). I realised my headache was caused by me wearing a hairband too tight 😂😂 I'm so silly. I removed the hairband and felt instant relief 😂😂 Did your headache end up disappearing? I see you marked it as a sign on your chart, do you think it's ovulation related?

😱 A womb that splits open? Sounds like something out of a nightmare 😱😱😱

Yeah I think 10DPO is a good time. By then, I'll still have like 7 pessaries left so I'll have a week to get a new prescription if I get a BFP. Do you think there are people who root for us? Silent observers of our little thread? When I read posts where women have been trying for such a long time and they get a BFP, I get so happy for them, like I know them personally. Will you be testing this cycle?

What if you have PCOS? With IVF drugs, the ovaries would probably end up over-stimulated and produce so many immature eggs. It would probably get too crowded in there for the eggs to grow. I think you'll probably get a healthy number of eggs - all reaching maturity and they'll go on to produce healthy embryos. I was perusing the infertility board yesterday too, although I was mostly searching for cyclogest symptoms 😂

I think your temp rose fine. My pattern is, ovulation dip and then my temp rises back to a similar level to where it was before the dip. I get that every cycle, so I think you shouldn't worry too much about it, FF will mark the day of the dip as ovulation. It's always done that for me. How are your temps looking today? I wish you were on medication too so we can ooh and aah over our temps.

Awesome! You're using that fabric. I think it's so lovely. I can't wait to see what you make with it. What happened to the stretch jumper you were working on a while back?

I'll be doing a talk today at work, a little Q&A session about women in tech, so I'm up early to prepare! Have a good day!

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