The 2ww Symptom Spotting continues....

p.s. following up that comment about DH's unproven sperm potency. I once worked with a lawyer who had a call out the blue from a woman saying "not sure whether you remember me from about 6 years ago, but....". It turns out he has a five year old son he had no idea about . A two/three night fling, nothing serious, entirely amicable parting of the ways.

I'm really sorry for moaning guys, when I know people who have had such painful experiences with mc. Puts things in prespective. You are right - not everyone falls preganany at the slightest shove.

I suppose I just want to know I can conceive. Neither DH nor I have had any previous luck/experience there, so we are both unproven . At least that's what DH tells me....

I can't wait till I get PG and if all goes OK I will be telling everyone how long it took and how pleased I am.

Unfortunatley the four yes now there's four PG women in my F&F that are all open that their PG's were happy (one unhappy) accidents so I am letting myself feel bitter.

Although I of course understand that there are so many women out there who do take longer to concieve and don't tell people about the awful bits ie MC and chemical PG.

So far I am counting myself lucky that I haven't had to experience either since I started ttc in Feb. I had a MC a few years ago but the PG was not planned and I was very young and I still found that awful to deal with so pray I don't have to go through that now a baby is very much wanted.

Griffin "X and Y are delighted to announce the future arrival of baby next March" I am excited about pip (too small to be bean) but experience has taught that you shouldn't get too excited too soon. I will not be sending such a - frankly weird- email. Sorry you are feeling shit. Sending hugs.

DG- interesting point- twas only when I had my mc that so many others we knew admitted they had had similar...as you say, it's only the super-jammy ones who suceeded first tim out that mention time taken to conceive. I shall be honest and tell everyone it took far longr than we had planned....

Sending everyone chocolate cake emoticon- sounds like you need it. Bring on the weekend.

gg have fun shopping! Gawd, I need a new handbag too! I also need to go buy DH an anniversary present.

Thinking about your straw poll...and sorry if this sounds insensitive, but my friend was talking about all the couples she knows who have kids or are trying and she says out of the 6 couples they've had 15 miscarriages a 5 chemical pregnancies between them. These things aren't often talked about so you don't often get to balance out all the 'lucky shots' with the 'unlucky shots'. No-one in RL ever talks about how long it takes unless they've been really lucky for it to happen quickly. This 20% chance we have every month must come from some research...so for every woman that gets PG, there's 4 who've been trying who don't. But we rarely know who they are.

Oops, feeling sad now. That's not what I intended to do...am posting this anyway, coz I think it should be said.

DH and I did a straw poll last night. In the 18 months we have been married, 15 (!!) of our couple friends are preganant or have had babies and one is on to #2. Most saying "we didn't think it would happen".

I'm happy for them and feeling very sorry for me

But enough doom and gloom. I am going to buy myself a new handbag to cheer myself up. I realised I have been putting my life stuff on hold recently. Retail therapy ahoy! The handbag shop keepers of Ye Olde London Towne had better watch out this lunchtime - I am on the spend!

Oh GG today is shit day for you isn't it. so sorry I've had a succession of pregnancy announcements since I've been ttc and non of theirs are planned and its making me bitter

and just had an email: "X and Y are delighted to announce the future arrival of baby next March" That rather compounds things.

Pass that glass vin rouge madoldbird, the sun's over the yard arm, so some vino de calapso is just the trick!

Pixie - thanks, hon. It's really appreciated.

DG - I'm with Pixie on this one. You are def PG!

Hi Bucky, Excitable, Claire and everyone else.

Morning all.

GG so sorry to hear about that nasty AF arrival. It's past 11am now so i am sure that a glass of wine is ok

BUCKY interesting to hear about your "boob growth" that's exactly what i've had since coming off the pill - i think i am a cup size bigger in the second half of my cycle! Also accompanied by swollen, tingling nipples, soreness, nausea, etc. i.e. all the symptoms which keep me in the desperately hopeful corner!!

Well, i feel a bit back-achey, crampy, etc, so i think that AF is on her way here too. Still got fingers crossed, of course, but i think i know, deep down, it's not happening this month.

DG got fingers and everything else crossed for you!!!

GG its never too early for wine hehehe. Have a huge cyber I know how you feel its been 8 months for me and now on 7th cycle (had one really long cycle) Its horrible I know, maybe try and find out more about your cycle by using OPK's or charting, temping and cervical persuit. It can't do any harm but try to stay clam getting stressed is one of the worst culprits for messing up your cycles. Stick with it hun its gotta happen at some point for you. xxx

Try to enjoy CD1 drink wine eat brie and rare steaks and take advantage of all the things your not supposed to do when TTC or PG.

GG come and join Excitable and I x it'll be okay, damn that old witch has some of my lovley red wine.

Digitalgirl you are sooooo pregnant hehehehe. I hope I'm not wrong but I am convinced now. Increasingly sore nips and no sign of AF and anxiousness about not having lived enough of your own life yet as well as tiredness who needs HPT's I'm sorry I don't want to get your hopes up but you must be what 12/13 DPO? Will be on here first thing Saturday morning wanting to hear your results x I have everything crossed for you xxx

feel pretty gutted . I didn't have any symptoms, so was pretty sure nothing would come of this month's practice, but it's still very final when AF arrives. I suppose I am so disappointed because we gave it a really good shot, BD-ing every day for 10 days in the middle of the month, EWCM, positions, grapefruit juice, yadda yadda yadda. That's us been trying for 6 months (and playing some wait-and-see russian roulette before that) and not sure what else you can do except do the whole thing again.

urgh, just ignore me and my depression today

oh gg sorry to hear that...hope your day's busy enough for you to distract you through the worst of it. then feet up later and BIG glass of wine (and a slab of choccie cake)

bucky if you play CP maybe you'll find it's dropped and is hard and low (which mine did immediately after ov). then you know you're definitely out of egg range.

Good luck DG and hello to everyone else. I have only skimmed the thread as I have been so busy at work that I haven't had time to read through all the posts.

well, I'm out this month. AF turned up this morning

pixie glad you slept well!

well my nips hurt even more today. thankfully I've lost the urge to test.

I know if it's a bfn on Saturday I'll be very disappointed. But everytime I think, 'oo there's another symptom, I might actually be pregnant' I get a woosh of butterflies and think 'OMG am i ready for this? I haven't even been to Thailand/Australia/Belize/insert name of far-flung destination here' anyone else?

No problem Bucky with all this ttc business I've gotten a little bit slack in the toadstool up keep.

Oo Oo Oo < pixie jumps up and down as she thinks she knows why buckys boobs are acting up> When I OV'd earlier in the month my nips were in agony for about five DPO and my boobs starting increasing in size for the whole of my LP and and I have a bump in my right boob that gets really sore about a week before AF arrives. Deffinatley OV/LP symptoms. In fact I think I got these sysmptoms at the end of my 71 day cycle but thought that they were PG symptoms when they must have been OV symptoms... it all makes sense now

Sorry if that make you 1 DPO the 2ww is agony but a lot of women get sysmptoms as soon as they've concieved so you never know...

ClairePO thanks for the slap I needed it.

Digitalgirl Thanks for fluffing up my toadstool I slept soooo much better last night, I really needed that. Your symptoms sound great I think you'll get the BFP this month how many DPO's are you now?

Excitable I'm glad I have a cycle buddy, it does cheer me up and I should stop wallowing. I am glad that I've managed a normalish 35 day cycle instead of the 71 day one I was cursed with last time. Oh and I deffinatley think that if you speak itallian you are immune to the food. (note to self learn itallian)

Bucky 7 DPO isn't too early for symptoms but if you got a on your OPK day before yesterday then wouldn't you have ovulated yesterday? maybe tiredness is because you have concieved?

Well I think I'm CD2 bleeding has continued but not increased. I am going for a TV scan on Tuesday (the 16th! well I think its spooky) so if there anything to see I'm sure I will be told about it so we'll have to wait and see. I have ordered more OPK's though, they worked well for me I just have to work on my seducing DP skills a friend suggested that the more you get it the more you want it so this month I'm going to pester him hehehehe

I'm going to start learning italian so I can eat parma ham

it's next wednesday, in one of those exclusive media clubs where no-one can spot us (apart from loads of other media movers and shakers!). have no idea what its about...if it's another start up I'm having nowt to do with it.
i've already started saving up for my maternity leave, so i figure if i did start a new job i'd be in exactly the same boat. would be nice not to have to save for baby number two though! ah well, that's a long way off.

DG doesn't do slapping when AF is around, instead she strokes pixie's little pointed hat that sits on her little pointed ears and fluffs up her toadstool for her.

excitable I just read the back of a parmesan wrapper the other day...was also v. disappointed. But my completely unresearched opinion is that it's only unpasteurised soft cheese and blue veined hard cheese that is specifically mentioned to be avoided. No-one said nuffink about no parmesan. any I'm half italian (even though i don't speak it) so I think I have a natural immunity to all italian foods during pg. the fact that you speak it awards you this same immunity

bucky wish i got bigger boobs...

fairysnuff & clairePO on this thread tiredness and cramps are definitely a symptom (along with cake eating and rowing with DHs)

i'm shattered, i've had such a long day, and i've got another long day tomorrow. this working lark is losing it's appeal. wish i had a job where i could take sickies and a year's maternity leave and then more sickies. oh and nipples are more sensitive today than they were yesterday. am no longer ill but have no appetite (think that's more to do with yesterday's cakefest tho)