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TTC after pregnancy loss - Thread 33- huddle up and bring on the BFP's

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Mumlili8 · 17/11/2019 00:01

Welcome to the 🐧 huddle. This a safe place to get and give support for everyone who has experienced the loss(es) of a pregnancy and baby. Pregnancy and child loss is the most awful thing anyone can experience and it can also be the most lonely time too. I hope you find this thread to be of some comfort.

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ReeRi · 19/12/2019 08:08

You know @Mumlili8 I don’t think it’s wrong of people to the do Facebook announcements really. I didn’t do any of that as I don’t really post much on Facebook and acoustic media but I think if others do then it’s okay for them to share their joy. I think I’d 1 on 1 they are insensitive when we know we have lost babies or can’t get pregnant or whatever then that’s hard but most people have some loss or hurt in their lives and I think it’s fair for them to share the happy times, if that makes sense? And I know I can just not go on Facebook. Instead, I just snooze people who are pregnant or posting pictures of their newborns!

Avocuddles · 19/12/2019 07:59

@SunStruck it's encouraging to hear that you did conceive on your previous monitored cycle even if it sadly didn't work out. After two losses I'm setting myself up emotionally for a third but at least the meds might increase my chance of getting pregnant in the first place - it took a year first time round, and although I conceived again only a couple of months later It appear that I haven't ovulated at all since that second loss.
We're away visiting assorted family from 24th dec to 2nd Jan in environments not particularly conductive to DTD (small houses, thin walls!) though I will try to ovulation test just to see what is going on. I've been told to make sure I'm not pregnant for our next appointment on Jan 6th so I assume I'll start the meds around then, or the following week which would be 28 days after this period. My period does always come eventually but it was 60 days this time round Confused

SunStruck · 19/12/2019 01:26

@Avocuddles this is exactly what I am doing (minus the progesterone because I do get my periods). I did have to induce my period after 10 years of being on the pill with progesterone though and can vouch for how effective it is!

I think I've missed to let you know I've already done a cycle like this in September, and I got pregnant that cycle! Unfortunately had an early miscarriage but at least it works 😄 I didn't continue with it because DH was traveling for work the month after, and I thought let the body go back to normal life after mc for best chance. Was hoping we would catch naturally but with my unpredictable cycles I've obviously ovulated super early this time (first time ever on day 17.... usually day 25 or more) so we're definitely out this cycle. With the new year looming I just want to get going, my next predicted natural ovulation would be end of Jan 🙄

I'm also following up with scans to check and to be able to catch the egg.

Fingers crossed for us both 🥰🌈🌈

Mumlili8 · 18/12/2019 22:47

@Avocuddles I echo how you feel about that post too. I've had so many double pink lines that didn't work out. I just pray that one day I'll get keep and raise one of my babies or know that it'll never be, either way I'd like to know too.
@ReeRi I too was very innocent the first time I was pregnant, it happened quick and I just though right time for a baby, it happened and I did the big Facebook announcement and told anyone who would listen. It never crossed my mind that someone else would be in so much pain. Now I do know and wish I was that ignorant girl again, you know the one where everything was sunshine and roses, what I wouldn't give to have one baby that just sticks without a loss of any description and I wouldn't know the pain I do now. On the other hand if it happened and I get to keep my miracle I would so thankful and probably still want to broadcast it everywhere.

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Avocuddles · 18/12/2019 22:22

@Mumlili8 I was brought up in the church but don't consider myself particular religious now, but your post did resonate with me nonetheless. I hope to be that person one day. Thinking about it it has been far more than 476 days for me, but what would counting achieve? I've had those two pink lines twice and neither has worked out, but I try to have faith that one day it will happen again and it will last. However I also don't want to punish myself if it doesn't work out. I hope so much that I get to experience that journey, but I also hope that my life will be a positive journey regardless of whether it includes children or not. I just wish I knew one way or the other!

Avocuddles · 18/12/2019 22:11

@SunStruck no it's Letrozole for me too. I have the drugs at home as well as progesterone for inducing a period if I have another long cycle. The intention is to take the drugs in conjunction with ovulation monitoring (scans etc) so I have an appointment with a nurse on 6th jan to discuss next steps. All on the NHS for me at the moment (bar prescription costs) which I'm very grateful for though £72 sounds good!

ReeRi · 18/12/2019 21:51

@Mumlili8 Thanks for sharing. I think what resonated with me was that going through something difficult, whether it be losing a child or having difficulty getting pregnant or repeated miscarriages, does make you compassionate. When I was pregnant the first time it would not have occurred to me that there might be people who found it difficult to hear or that people who have suffered loss want support and to not feel alone. And now I see everything so differently and there must be loads of people around me suffering in silence and maybe finding it as difficult as I do to see others having healthy babies without a care in the world...

Mumlili8 · 18/12/2019 19:11

Ladies I'm not at all religious more spiritual but I came across this and it just resonated with me it just goes to show were not alone no matter what you believe or don't believe. I hope no one is upset by this:

TO THE GIRL WHO HATED MY PREGNANCY ANNOUNCEMENT...

I get it. I know the feeling.

That gut-wrenching, hard to breathe feeling.

Because I was that girl. The girl that saw yet ANOTHER pregnancy announcement on my newsfeed and just rolled her eyes. The girl that felt sick to her stomach because it wasn't me doing the announcing. The girl that was so angry that you didn't even have to try... It was an "accident". The girl that would cry behind closed doors because my heart was so broken that my body wouldn't produce a miracle like yours would.

I get it.

I'm so sorry.

I know seeing a pregnancy announcement yet again has made you an emotional hot mess.

I'm so sorry.

I know your heart is breaking into a million pieces all the while you are digging way down deep to express just an ounce of joy for the parents to be.

I'm so sorry.

I know the ugly jealous feeling all too well. The kind of feeling that makes you feel like you're back in high school, and it isn't a feeling you are proud of.

I'm so sorry.

This season of our lives has been hard. I'm talking all capital letter HARD. It's been ugly, heartbreaking, and full of hope that ends in despair. And while I wouldn't have particularly chosen this route for our life, I am learning to be thankful for what the Lord has taught me through my 17 months of infertility.

He has taught me to have faith.

And not the faith I thought that I had.. He has instilled in me the kind of faith that moves mountains... because let's be real: conceiving is an absolutely M-I-R-A-C-L-E. In the small amount of research I have done, I have learned just what all has to happen for a baby to be formed. And wow... It's such a one in a million miracle. Choosing to have faith in one of the darkest times of my life has allowed me to keep my eyes on Him rather than dwelling in my own sorrow. Because to have faith means to completely trust in... I choose everyday, multiple times a day, to believe that my God is for me and wants to grant me the desires of my heart. I have learned that I need His presence more than I need His answers and while I may not have all the answers, they have already been written by the most high God.

He has taught me patience.

Which is the worst. Waiting is no fun. But in my waiting, my eyes have been opened. They have seen the devastation and the depression that takes place while you wait. The unexplainable sadness that completely overwhelms every inch of your body. But in my waiting.... oh how I've seen just a glimpse of what Jesus sees in us. Waiting for us to draw closer to Him... waiting for us to choose what is right... waiting for us to just be still in His presence. While waiting may not be what you'd choose, it is necessary to realize the miracle that will unveil before your very eyes.

He has taught me compassion.

My heart has completely changed. I see you over there holding that sweet baby in the nursery longing and dreaming of the day you hold your own. I see you crying at baby dedication when the pastor talks about how big of a blessing children are. I see you cringe when you get asked once again when you’re going to have a baby and you just want to punch them in the face and cry all at the same time. I see you avoiding your pregnant friend like the plague because it's just too hard... and there was a time when I did not even notice any of it. I have seen the other side, and I get it. There was a time when I wouldn’t have checked on a friend who had a miscarriage, or lost their baby due to unforeseen circumstances, or who can’t conceive no matter how hard they’ve tried, or the one whose adoption process has fallen through once again because I didn’t want to bring up any pain… But I’ve seen just how therapeutic it is to have someone who just cares. I mean truly cares. Someone that will take just a minute out of their day to check in with you and won’t accept “doing good” for an answer- because we all know that’s a lie. Someone that will drag you out of the house for some coffee, and depending on the day, will either sit there in the silence or will let you pour your heart out, and they won’t tell a soul. It is SO important to surround yourself with trustworthy people who get it because without it, it is a dark place that the Lord has not called you to walk alone.

My time of infertility has been an emotional roller coaster. Times of hope and times of heartbreak. But through it all, the Lord has never left my side. He has been there even when I didn't want to acknowledge Him. He has been there through my excitement and my daydreaming. And He has been there through my heartbreak and despair.

But I know with all of my heart that even if the Lord didn't bless us with a baby, my God is sovereign and He hears my cries... the pleading prayers, the constant tears, the angry outbursts, the jealous fits, and even the moments you feel like giving up. I've come to realize just how much He loves me in the process.

So here is my prayer for those of you in your waiting period...

I pray your hormone levels even out to what they are supposed to be in Jesus name. I pray for regular cycles. I pray for clear Fallopian tubes... no blockages of any kind. I am speaking healing over your ovaries. I pray for your uterine lining to be strengthened. I pray for any and all endometriosis to be non-existent. I pray your PCOS is healed or easily controlled. I pray against any cysts that may hinder your ability to get pregnant. I pray for your follicles to mature and your eggs to grow. I pray for you to ovulate at just the perfect time. I pray for the sex to be fun and for your love for your spouse to grow so deeply. I pray for his sperm to reach your mature and healthy eggs and for them to fertilize at just the right moment. I pray the healthy follicle embeds into your uterus and grows into the most perfect miracle(s)... I pray for your hearts to be softened and for you to not feel alone. Because you aren't. I pray for your faith to deepen, your patience to increase, and for compassion to flood your veins. My prayer is for the Lord bless you and keep you... may His face shine upon you. May He show you favor and give you unexplainable peace.

So, this is for the girl who got another negative pregnancy test this morning… to the girl who has no idea why this is so hard for her… to the girl whose heart is so bitter… to the girl who has lost a child due to miscarriage or heartbreaking circumstance… to the girl whose adoption process has failed once again… to the girl who has one child but can’t seem to get pregnant again… I love you. I am so sorry you are going through this, and I know it’s just not fair. But, I am so thankful for your hearts and for what the Lord is teaching you through one of the most difficult times of your life. This does not define you. Jesus has already done that. Don’t miss what could be the greatest journey of your life because it isn’t exactly what you pictured. Don’t let the bitterness and jealousy flood your veins distracting you from what the Lord wants to accomplish through your circumstances.

Thank you Lord for showing me how to use what the enemy meant for destruction and showing me, through the pain, just how much you love me… and I pray that He shows you too. I am praying that when your miracle arrives, they are the beautiful ending scene to the story the Lord has written for you. Don’t miss it. This is a story worth telling.

476 days of infertility.
Thousands of dollars in medical bills.
11 months of Clomid.
Injection after injection.
Prescription after prescription.
Ultrasound after ultrasound.
Hundreds of needle pricks.
5 IUIs.
Months of failed treatments.
And 2 pink lines to remind me how faithful my God is in the midst of it all and that it was worth every single second.

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MissSparkles81 · 18/12/2019 18:16

Thanks ladies ... I didn't realise that you could have a period without ovulating. How naive I am lol.

Ive had a rough few days ... just feeling really low and having bad pmt. I literally can't believe that this time next week will be christmas day. I am just not feeling festive at all this year.

Apologies for not replying to everyone xx

SunStruck · 18/12/2019 16:58

@Avocuddles Letrozole day 2-6 of my cycle, and 2 injections of Gondal-F Day 2 and 4 of my cycle (if I remember correctly 😅).

I'm starting when my period starts, I'm so impatient! Maybe December isn't a good month to start but since cycles are so long, next time would be end of Jan... luckily with our private healthcare here through work it's not that costly with the meds, 72 quid for everything I need for a cycle.

Are you starting with Clomid?

Avocuddles · 18/12/2019 15:51

@SunStruck yes I'll be starting next month! I have my period at the moment but not starting meds until after new year as I need to get some supplements from GP this week and take them for a few weeks first. I have tablets to induce a period so I guess that if it doesn't come naturally in four weeks I'll be starting then. Let me know how you get on. What medication will you be taking? I'm 36 too so very much in the same boat....

SunStruck · 18/12/2019 15:32

@Wishful30 @TerribleImagination I'm so sorry to read about your losses ladies 😔 it seems like we're all a bit older (I have seen threads where the majority of ladies are in their 20:s). I'm 36 ttc #1 so feel a bit more stressed about this baby situation.... sometimes it feels like I'm the only one struggling with this IRL, so this thread feels very supportive x

SunStruck · 18/12/2019 15:27

@Mumlili8 @VenusStarr @Avocuddles I went to my Dr today for a scan because I'm sure I've already ovulated, and I was right 🙄 I ovulated more than a week early 🤦🏻‍♀️ so we have definitely missed it.

The good news is that I'm going to start meds to stimulate my follicles to produce more eggs and quicker (just like Clomid). I'm going to start this protocol when I get my period, and I also got some hormone injections to help speed things up. Fingers crossed for 2020 - For all of us 🌈

Thanks @SunshineCrocodile - standard holiday shagging sounds amazing, much better than 'we have to shag tonight because I got a solid smiley' 🤣🤣

@Avocuddles I know you're also starting with meds in Jan - let's do this together! 👊

TerribleImagination · 18/12/2019 09:36

@Avocuddles Sorry I realised I didn’t answer your question properly! I don’t have any follow ups at all. EPAU told me to wait 2 weeks for a negative test, and to call if it’s still positive then. Because I wasn’t 6 weeks they said there was no point in them scanning me, which I understand. To be honest I think not having medical follow ups is better. Seeing an empty scan might have been just too much, even though I already know it’s gone :(

ReeRi · 18/12/2019 08:30

@TerribleImagination It really does help as many of us dont really discuss TTC in real life plus it’s different if you’ve had some kind of fertility struggles or loss

SunshineCrocodile · 18/12/2019 08:24

Hi all, sorry for radio silence - we're away and internet is a bit patchy!

Hi @Wishful30 and @TerribleImagination, I'm sorry for your losses and that you find yourselves here. Wishful my cycles have been a bit random following past losses, as @Avocuddles says it may take several cycles to settle back down and generally the later the loss the greater this effect may be (not for everyone though, would be far too easy if we knew what to expect eh)? Fingers crossed for both of you.

@MissSparkles81 I'm really glad to hear that your blood test was negative - sorry about the lack of ov this cycle but as @Mumlili8 says an anovulatory cycle after mc is pretty common and you'll likely ovulate as normal this cycle. How are you feeling?

@JuniperAndRose you're so brave to go and visit your friend. I'm sure meeting her baby will be bittersweet - does she know about the TFMR? I hope she's sensitive to that.

@Avocuddles hooray for AF (not something I normally say)! Hope you can go into the new year feeling positive that there's a plan, hope you get a monitored cycle ASAP. Spa day sounds great!

@Sunflower1608 I'm so sorry about the comment and I'm not surprised you snapped. I got asked similar at our staff Christmas do ('aren't you guys going to have another?) literally the day after I miscarried for the second time this year and it's a punch in the face. Hopefully the person who asked you will think more carefully before asking sensitive questions in future. Sorry you have the added stress of the lump, it seems pretty heartless to leave you dangling for a month without an answer. Hopefully doctor is right and it's nothing to worry about though.

@shanine so sorry to hear about your daughter and that you're struggling to conceive again. I hope you don't have to wait too long for a rainbow, this is a supportive place while you're on the journey.

@VenusStarr hope you get your results ASAP this time.

@SunStruck fingers crossed you caught the window despite funky temps, hope you're feeling better.

We're away for Christmas now and I have to say it's a relief to have a change of scenery and not have to deal with social occasions. It feels totally unchristmassy which I'm quite enjoying, no pressure to be merry and bright! Still in the first cycle post mc and I'm not tracking anything (never do as PCOS means ov sticks don't work and I'm too disorganised for temps) so may or may not have a fertile window while I'm here, we're going with the 'standard holiday shagging' method of TTC Grin I'm feeling pretty good all things considered and managing to stay on track with healthy choices at mealtimes, getting some swimming in and generally looking after myself better than usual which is rather nice.

MissSparkles81 · 18/12/2019 00:19

@Mumlili8 @ReeRi thanks for the advice ladies 💖

TerribleImagination · 17/12/2019 23:07

@Avocuddles I’m so so sorry to hear what you’ve been through. Thanks so much for your lovely message, and it’s really good to hear that advice about the relaxed approach. Fingers crossed for us both (and all of us in here) for 2020.

@ReeRi It does seem like a lovely group. My closest friend suffered a molar pregnancy last year, so she’s been an incredible support, but she’s also 36 weeks pregnant so will have her hands full very very soon! So it’s good to be able to chat to other people still on the TTC journey after going through this.

ReeRi · 17/12/2019 22:48

Sorry you find yourself here @TerribleImagination It’s a very supportive group

Avocuddles · 17/12/2019 22:40

@Wishful30 sorry to hear about your losses. As the others have said try not to worry too much, it's not unusual for your cycles to be a bit different to usual after a miscarriage and ovulation doesn't necessarily occur every cycle for all women (me being one of them unfortunately....). As you've had more than three losses have you sought referral for recurrent miscarriage investigations?

Avocuddles · 17/12/2019 22:37

@TerribleImagination so sorry to hear about your loss. It's an awful experience, I'm glad you're feeling strong but make sure you look after yourself and rest as and when you need it.
I'm 36 and have had two miscarriages this year after TTC for 19 months, both between 7 and 8 weeks. My cycles are all over the place so I'm starting ovulation induction drugs in January (though i'm finally on my period at the moment after a 60 day cycle!). I know everyone is different but from a personal perspective I definitely believe the relaxed approach is a good idea straight after loss. I put too much pressure on myself after my first loss and although I did conceive within a couple of months, after the second loss I took a few months off TTC and felt so much better for it both physically and mentally. Nonetheless I hope you don't have to wait long for that BFP! Do you have any follow up scans / appointments? I hope that everything is back to 'normal' for you ASAP and am sending love and hugs back at you Flowers

TerribleImagination · 17/12/2019 21:41

Hi everyone,

Joining in as I had a miscarriage at the weekend at 5+3. Feeling pretty numb at the moment, and so tired as sleep is just restless and I keep having rubbish dreams about it too. Despite that though, I’m feeling as strong as I can be, and feeling all the feels (good and bad) as they come.

I’m hoping my cycle returns quickly... plan is to have a relaxed TTC approach when I get signs of ovulation again, and if we fall pregnant again then amazing. If not, I’ll get back on the OPK’s in the next cycle. I was very lucky to get pregnant on cycle 2 this time. Hopefully it happens fast again, but also I’m so scared of this happening to me again :(

I’m 37 and this was my first pregnancy. I felt quite a few symptoms straight away, and they’d disappeared within hours of passing the sac on Saturday night - such a shock.

Sending love and hugs to all of you who’ve been through and are going through losses - it’s just so unfair Flowers

ReeRi · 17/12/2019 17:55

@MissSparkles81 Try not to worry about it too much. It probably doesn’t mean anything and as @Mumlili8 said it takes time for our bodies to recover from pregnancy and loss.

@Wishful30 Sorry you find yourself here. I hope this cycle brings good news for you but your body might still be recovering from your last pregnancy. I had a full term loss in February and an early miscarriage in August and my cycles are fairly regular now. BUT last month my cycle was four days longer but I was getting BFNs and AF eventually came for me. You are not out until AF comes 🤞

Mumlili8 · 17/12/2019 14:43

@MissSparkles81 hi hun, its possible that you didn't ovulate straight after and that the lining built up until it could no longer sustain its self (anovulatory cycle) hence AF arriving. You might need a couple of cycles to regulate again, your body has been through a lot xx

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Wishful30 · 17/12/2019 13:50

@strawberrye I'm so pleased for you, and do wonder if I have a similar issue.
I've just moved a long way from my last fertility clinic. I was approved for ivf.
So I need to get back to the gp and start again.
Just hope I get proper hormone tests this time!

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