The July '19ers - knocked down, but never beaten

Okay so top one in pic is current chart, second one is if I remove the anomalies, last one is if I remove the OPKs...

I am now thinking those 2 BFaintP were picking up on residual hcg and I'm only 4/5dpo...

That's so frustrating Twittle. It's impossible to know what effect the factors leading to the open circles on CD19, 20 and 26 had on your temp. Changing them would probably affect the crosshairs. Fingers crossed for the FRER. Don't stress about one night of not enough sleep, I think it's probably more important what your average is.

Rachy hope you get some answers from your gp. I've only been in limbo what's going on with my cycle for 5 days and I'm already going spare so for a month or more must be so hard.

ratherbe you're so right. I don't think any of us could have stopped this happening by doing or not doing something.

edidxb yeah I don't think I'd take progesterone. I'd probably "cash in" the prescription and take it only if progesterone was low but keep in mind that it was probably not going to work out. Ergh it's so hard to know what to do.

Frazzle glad your temp is continuing to go up. Your cycles sound really quite regular. Do you think your pcso is "in remission" (can't think of a better word)?

Jet lag is catching up with me and I'm knackered this evening, thank god its the weekend. No more cm and no more opks in the house. Should dtd tonight but I'm so tired. Will see if DH is up for an on my back quickie 😂

Might have got a promotion at work despite telling my boss about the miscarriage and embarrassingly crying about it (he told me privately that he'd recommended me for promotion but nothing has officially been announced).

Urgh FF reckons I'm only 5dpo and I've got solid cross hairs with that!?!? Urgh!!!!!

Rachy certainly worth asking! Hope all goes okay

edidxb must say I am pretty surprised she shared that with you when she doesnt know for sure? Surely she would have known it would be a bit hard to hear?

FRERs have arrived a day early so gonna test tomorrow now

@Frazzlerock she is in the TWW and has all the symptoms she had with her previous baby but is yet to test....

I feel ok, a little cramps at times.
I might ask for it anyway can't hurt x

See if you can talk to her about the odd bleeding too? Are you feeling well in yourself btw? If not, then see if you can get reffered for an Ultrasound to check it has all passed?

I guess you might be right :(
I’ve called GP and asked for furher hcg test to check its zero
Had to tell a teeny white lie and say hpt shows feint lines still.... but hey ho, that’s why I see that NI deduction off my pay each month!!!
Waiting for call back now x

@Rachy I agree with Twittle, which would also fit with you thinking your last cycle was annovulatory. I expect it will happen this month, but I think your body is still recovering.

@Betty I don’t know much about pregnancy and breastfeeding, but I do know that plenty of women conceive and go on to have healthy babies while breastfeeding. Including my Mum with my sister (bfing me) and my sister with my niece. In both cases it was the breastfeeding that was affected and not the pregnancy. I know you are looking for reasons, but it’s so unlikely to be anything you have done. xxx

edidxb watery EW is closer consistency to the fertility lube is texture so must be? I often find my EW gets more watery closer to Ov I get. Usually just mark it down as EW still though out of habit.

Totally understand that odd sensation of happy but also sad. It is hard.

Thank you edidxb and Rather I will try to stay positive

Ah my message crossed over with yours @Twittlebee - sorry. I know how awful lack of sleep is recently and how unwell it can make you feel so I am feeling for you today. The worst thing you can do is stress. One night of no sleep is not the end of the world at all. Tell yourself positive thoughts x

@BettySwoll0cks definitely not doing it all the time. We really struggle a lot of the time to have energy, go to bed at the same time etc. We have done it once in the last 2 weeks.......

Welcome back @proseccobee!

I just went for a coffee with a friend this morning (who is a really good supportive friend) who told me she thinks she is pregnant. Which is fantastic as she has been trying for over a year. And of course I am super happy for her. BUT......but, little sad too. Can't help it.

So I have had ewcm the last 2 days but still negative OPK. It is a slightly darker line for the first time today. I am refusing to use my Clearblues until this first weird cycle is over so I am using the cheapo sticks I have stockpiled which I don't usually like as hard to read. A smiley face is much easier. Although I like the pink ones not the blue ones which flash.
Today the ewcm is very watery and I don't usually get it. Is this even more fertile than egg white?

Oh no sorry @Rose!!!!!!!

@Twittle sorry you had no sleep at all.... sounds rubbish.. Any consolation, I think it's quite normal to feel "rundown" in the early stages x

So temps stayed high this morning BUT I had like 0 sleep... I actually think I am ill too, I feel awful but could be the 0 sleep. DS was just up all night screaming unless I held and rocked him (he is 18 months ffs and usually sleeps through fine!). Anyway I am now convinced I will have a CP or early MC if this keeps up because being ill is not good in early stages plus sleep is totally vital for TTC and early pregnancy. Trying to not stress and shall be finding it hard to stick to my 1 coffee limit today. At least it is only a half day at work I guess!

Frazzle Either way, both say you ovulated at rough same time so YAY and you done BD then too! Looking hopeful!

Rather I think anything is normal regarding OPKs. When I used those ones I actually never got a flashy, would always jump straight to solid but I also know people on here that would only get flashing and never a solid (they conceived too).

Rachy It can take a while to get things back to normal, I am stil convinced that your last "period" was actually you body dispelling retained product as how you described it fits. Worth talking to GP or EPU for sure.

Betty in regard to BFing, I know one lady that had a MC whilst BFing, she was told that her BFing most likely meant her unborn baby wasn't getting enough supplies (she had slow growth which ended in a late miscarriage). But I also know another lady who conceived whilst BFing and then weaned her DD off before 2nd trimester and she looks to carry to term. I think though, as you arent BFing that frequently really and as long as you keep up your food and vits then you should be able to conceive and carry to term just fine?

@Frazzle, yes DH knows, but he is quite different to your DP, he just carries on as normal during the tww. It’s too early for any signs yet. But talking about dreams I had various vivid dreams last night, one of which was we were keeping 2 horses in our garage, which we would occasionally walk round our garden. It was stressing me out big time because obvs our garage is not suitable for keeping horses in and neither is our garden, but everyone was telling me they had to stay. It must be all the horse talk on here!

Morning everyone,

@ProseccoBee glad to have you back & glad that you've lived up to your name during Christmas & New Year. I've given up caffeine too - how are you finding it so far?

How exciting @TwittleBee I'm keeping everything crossed for you 😘 xx

@Kinsters @Frazzlerock I think you can dissect every single thing to death, but ultimately the chances are it's nothing you, i or anyone else has done. A work colleague of DHs gave birth last month, she had no idea until she was 24 weeks, she's 35, was smoking, drinking, partying hard if you get my drift... up until then, but had a completely healthy baby boy. Absolutely no way have you, I or anyone else on this thread threatened their baby as much as she did and yet her pregnancy was viable because of luck. That's all it boils down to. And it's so frustrating.

What an awful dream Frazzle! My dreams are still all over the shop too... last night I had a really, really vivid dream that I was going out with Prince Harry & spending Christmas with the Royal Family. I was absolutely tearing my hair out as I had nothing to wear for church 😩 @Rachyrach83 I blame you for making me think about the royals subconsciously 😂

How exciting about the little temp rise though!! I'm keeping my fingers & toes crossed for you too.

I'm on day 3 of a flashing smiley... is that normal?... dh struggled to erm, perform, under pressure last night & we both overslept this morning so hoping we've still got another shot.

@BettySwoll0cks trust me, everyone everywhere is not doing it all the time 😫 I completely understand why you have a complex about it.

Call GP, not go!! Ffs!! Lol

@kinsters I’m convinced my post MC - pre AF cycle was anovulatory. :(
Getting concerned about this one too
With a26 day cycle (last one was) I should be in most fertile period now and I’m not showing any signs and OPK (ic’s) are all laughably negative.
CB Monutor keeps saying high but research leads me to think it does this first cycle using. If I don’t think I Ov this month by day 20 im going to call go and ask for day 21 test to see x

@Betty and @Kinsters I have also done reading on progesterone as I was given it the last two pregnancies which both ended in miscarriage. There is lots of contradictory evidence out there but you are right, basically if you don't have enough it is because the pregnancy probably wasn't going to last anyway, rather than not having enough and needing to supplement.

If/when I get pregnant again I won't take it again. I have had missed miscarriages both times and I think the progesterone helped to mask it. I would rather just know earlier. My progesterone was much higher this last time but I miscarried earlier. It was lower the first time and I made it to 8 1/2 weeks.

Betty I've been reading about progesterone too as my Dr said she'd prescribe it next time I get pregnant. Apparently there's not that much evidence whether low progesterone is the cause of a miscarriage or whether it's an early symptom that something is wrong, iyswim. So if the baby was viable maybe enough progesterone would be produced anyway despite breastfeeding. I'm sorry I can't remember whether you got any of your losses genetically tested?

It's so hard thinking back and trying to pick out what you did or didn't do to cause it to happen. Like I worry I didn't do enough exercise but then the pregnancy books said don't exercise in hot and humid conditions and that's just what the conditions are like here! Or was it the filing/lifting heavy boxes I did at work because I didn't want to tell everyone so early. Or is there something wrong with my body. Such a mindfuck.

My DH is totally on board with trying again so we've both started pregnacare preconception and are dtd loads (despite all signs of imminent ovulation drying up on my end...).

Rachy you think you had an anovulatory cycle straight after your MC right? I think mine is going to be as well 😒 just hoping it doesn't last too long...

I am doing some very unscientific internet research about breastfeeding and early miscarriage. It's really hard to find anything helpful but it does say that breastfeeding generally lowers progesterone. Isn't progesterone an important part of establishing a pregnancy? Perhaps bf'ing less intensely doesn't lower progesterone enough to suppress ovulation, but to stall implantation/early development maybe? Urgh. I've decided to stop bf'ing DS next week anyway but it would be good to know whether that could have been the issue up to this point 🤔

In other news, I've started bleeding again after 4 days without. No idea what's going on w my body 😪