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The July '19ers - knocked down, but never beaten

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Frazzlerock · 03/12/2018 09:41

Hey @TinselBee, @Rose68, @BettySwoll0cks

Here is the thread I promised us.

Somewhere for us to help eachother, pick one another up, cry, scream, laugh..

Some of us may be looking to try again, some may be putting things on hold. Whatever our plans, lets get through this together.

(I don't know whether conception was the right choice of topic, I can always have this moved to a more suitable topic if anyone would like me to)

I will look through our threads again and see if I can @mention anyone else who might like to join us

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edidxb · 06/12/2018 13:05

Thank you everyone. You're right, it's pretty shit and really unfair.
I am 36, 37 in Jan and from everything I have read it is harder but not impossible at all. So many people have babies in late 30s and early 40s. Even if some sort of assistance is required. I don't have any children yet so I don't even have the evidence that I can carry one to full term which is awful but will just have to keep on trying.
@Rose68, you are right. There are lots of stories out there saying that people measured behind and it was all good. However, if it happens to me again or to someone else I would err on the cautious side that it probably won't be OK.
Thanks @Frazzlerock for setting up the new thread. I read your blog too which I thought was very truthful and well written.
I just need to prepare for tomorrow now. It's quite unnerving not having an appointment or a firm arrangement. The whole "turn up and hopefully they'll operate if you say you have bleeding" thing unnerves me as I like a plan. However, the doctor must have been through it before so I believe her it will all be OK. I am just going to take my kindle and phone charger and hopefully it will get me through the day! I hate hospitals so much - they scare me.

Frazzlerock · 06/12/2018 10:40

@Rose68 You're not old. I am 39 (40 in June - I still can't understand how that has happened) and I understand that fear but, like I said, I don't trust my stupid ovaries to give up an egg so could take years for us anyway. I know that our chances of MC go up so we have that against us, but so many women have healthy babies in their 40's. Some even begin their baby making in their 40's. Your DH is like mine so I also have that fear that he will pull the plug at any moment. It is very very hard xx

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Frazzlerock · 06/12/2018 10:35

Oh @edidxb I can't bear it, such fucking heartache for the July 19ers. What on earth is going on? I'm so so so sorry for you. Reading your post, it seems you have been through the same as me this time, and I believe @rose68 too. Though we've all been through absolute shit Sad
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However, I am pleased you found us Brew

ratherbe I just couldn't have gone. We live relatively quite far out so just the thought of having to get to the train station, then on the train into London fills me with dread right now. Especially for just a couple of hours. Though I am aiming to go back to work on Monday so I need to psych myself up.

Betty I'm sorry you feel ill. I hope the long nap yesterday helped a bit, you must have needed it.
I'm in awe at those of you who have had to go into work, even WFH makes me anxious, but I think I have just built this all up in my head by not working.

Tinsel We are also TTC right away, and had lovely sex last night for the first time in a couple of weeks. Literally the second the brown blood stopped we pounced on eachother! Grin

Although, I don't trust my ovaries which basically do as they please because of PCOS Sad We've been 'lucky' as our little Emily was conceived by surprise when we'd only been together 6 months. We only had unprotected sex a handful of times so it was a bit of a shock to say the least. Especially given my history with TTC - DS1 took 2.5 years as I just wasn't having periods or ovulating. DS2 took 11 months of obsessive temping and researching and symptom spotting. But they were with my ex-H so not sure if that made any difference. Though doubt it was down to him as he has since had another child with his GF very quickly.

After we lost Emily, I fell pregnant within a month or two. So, again, I was shocked given my struggles.

Then 2.5 horribly long years later we TTC again and it only took 4 months to conceive Popsy.

I just don't know what my body will do, but I am so desperate to be pregnant again. I just cannot think about whether or not we will conceive this month or next month or next year or whatever. I am, however, going to start using my Ovusense thingie again tonight now that bleeding has officially stopped - you can't use it when bleeding, not sure why.
I'm so desperate for it to happen quickly but I know I won't trust another pregnancy ever again. I feel so sad that if/when we get another BFP, we just can't allow ourselves to be happy about it. Three losses just cannot be shit luck, there has to be something more sinister going on Sad

I have also gone back to my reduced dairy, reduced, gluten, and reduced sugar diet that I was on when we were TTC Popsy. PCOS creates an insulin production problem and also hates dairy so I do believe that helped us to conceive our little one.
God, it is boring though!

Sorry, I've waffled on about me again and not even asked you how your little boy is! And I cannot imagine how it felt to have to hold that baby. I'd have had to say no and let DH hold the baby. You're a real trooper I have to say.

smerlin I think I will stay away from anything that might have a trigger. I have learnt to spot these a mile off in those horrid 2.5 years that we weren't TTC.

ratherbe Oh god, I know what you mean about people taking risks. I barely moved a muscle in fear this time around, didn't even sniff coffee. Yet you see all these people just doing what the hell they want and all is fine. I was driving in town the other day and I saw a very young woman (babies having babies) pushing a pram and she was puffing away on a fag - I was so angry I screamed "you selfish fucking C**t" and burst into tears - she wouldn't have heard me but it still made me feel better.

Talking of losing my shit, I did that again yesterday at home. We have a fridge in the utility room and the boys keep leaving the fridge door open as they just swing it shut but it is old and needs to be pushed close properly.

I had a small plastic basket in the hands and I yelled so loud I hurt my throat and smashed the basket over and over again on the kitchen work surface - I was like an animal. Then I sat in the utility room with the door closed and sobbed. My poor boys didn't know what to do, I told them to get out of my sight. What a horrible mummy I am. I did apologise afterwards and gave them hugs. They know I'm not really angry at them. And there I go, moaning at others for being selfish c**ts when I treat my own children like that...

This is turning me into such a freak. I think nearly 3 years of heartache is actually causing a nervous breakdown. I'm like a ticking time bomb Sad How much more heartache do we have to go through before I'm sectioned....

Anyway, today, DP is at home with me and his friend, who is a plumber, is over fixing our new taps and a few other bits that need doing. He's a really funny guy, and has the same humour as us (very very dark and dry) so I have actually cracked a few smiles today which is nice Smile

Sorry, another long post from me!

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ratherbeshowjumping · 06/12/2018 10:29

@Rose68 you're certainly not too old... My SIL had my DN a few years back, at 42. I don't think that's considered old at all. She did have a mc at 5 weeks before him. Keep faith. Surely if you're DH is happy to have contraception free sex then he should be aware of what could happen, regardless of whether you're "trying" or not?!

Rose68 · 06/12/2018 10:23

I think I’m struggling to keep up a bit here... so sorry if I have missed things.

@Tinsel, I’m so sorry you had to take your DS to hospital, and holding a baby must have been so hard. I feel sure you will hold your own baby in the not too distant future.

@Ratherbe DH and I are getting on a bit, I am by far the oldest here at 43. Hence the reason for my mc I suspect, so if we are to try again it needs to be soon. It took me a year and a half to talk DH into trying this time totally wasted time that we didn’t have. I have a little voice in my head telling me I should be grateful for what I already have, but another that is so desperate for another baby. Maybe I should walk away and find a more constructive use for my time and energy. Trouble is, I don’t look my age, I don’t feel my age, all my blood tests were great. I do feel like it’s still possible. It’s a tricky one.

ratherbeshowjumping · 06/12/2018 09:58

@Rose68 - that must be really tough. Are you keen to try again ASAP?

Thank you @hopefulirishmammy, sorry to hear you're feeling rubbish. Cold sores are the sign of being rundown, make sure you're looking after yourself.

An ex client of mine has just put a video on Facebook this morning of her riding her horse bareback at 6 months pregnant. I'm not judging yes I am but just think I did everything right, I took no risks, I was so careful... why did it happen to me...? I feel awful saying this as have absolutely no idea what this girl has been through but riding a horse bare back when you ride like a sack of potatoes at the best of times 6 months pregnant... why would you take that risk.

Hopefulirishmammy · 06/12/2018 09:03

Oh @tinselbee that’s so hard. I can’t imagine being able to hold a little one just now. You’ve some strength (and hubby too). Hope he’s ok?

@edidxb I’m sorry you’ve had to join us.

@rather and @rose sending luck and dust your way. I’ve my fingers and toes crossed all of us fall quickly!

I’m still at the “this is shit phase” as I’m still bleeding, meaning we can’t try just yet. And...I also have a head cold and this mornings new addition of a cold sore - so not exactly feeling good on the attractive stakes either! (Although it’s been strange to see my shape return!).

@Merlin I know how you feel. Two of my close friends have announced their pregnancies, sensitively at least, since I’ve shared my news. Their both due June and July. While I’m delighted for them, we’ve had a rocky road ttc and I can’t help but be a bit green eyed monster too!

Rose68 · 06/12/2018 08:10

@edidxb I am so so sorry, it hurts like hell and there is nothing anyone can say to make it any better. The D&C was definitely the right choice for me, the doctors & nurses were all lovely and very supportive. It was done very quickly and I had very little bleeding after. It’s a shame your husband is away, can your friend stay with you after? I was told someone should be with me for 48 hours after the operation. I think it’s cause of the general anaesthetic.

It really seems that measuring behind is not good.

My DH won’t commit to trying again, but he seems to be quite happy to have contraceptive free sex. I feel like I’m waiting for him to pull the plug.

ratherbeshowjumping · 06/12/2018 08:10

@smerlin that's really shit Wine it's not too early for this, is it?!

ratherbeshowjumping · 06/12/2018 08:09

Oh Tinsel 🙈 as if you haven't enough to deal with... what a rubbish start to the day. I hope your little one is ok, poor thing.
That must have been awful for you 😢😢
Sending lots of hugs. Hope you get home soon!

Judging from the day I started bleeding, if I conceived this month, I'd be due on the 28th August... that doesn't even seem too far from my original due date of 5th July. I am desperately trying to remain positive that it will happen quickly.

smerlin · 06/12/2018 08:01

@TinselBee that's really hard holding a baby.

I had a friend announce her pregnancy the day I suspected the start of miscarriage last week and then last night, watching some action film, there was a whole part where the protagonist's wife finds out she is pregnant and they are going to baby scans together. Wtf- thought I had been punched in the stomach!

smerlin · 06/12/2018 07:59

Sorry to see you here @edidxb

Hope you can get op sorted quickly. x

TinselBee · 06/12/2018 07:40

Oh I am so so sorry to see you join us edidxb Flowers glad you've found your way here though. Certainly seems like going for the D&C option straight away is a good choice this time. Hope all goes smoothly for you xx

Ratherbe I hope you get lucky first time and we can all join you on the Antenatal board. What month would we all be due in if we were all lucky 1st time? I haven't worked that out actually.

So in A&E atm, DS tried drinking a a hot cup of tea and spilt it all over himself.... He's fine but was told to come in just in case. Anyway, I Dad is here with his newborn who is really sick. He asked me to hold his newborn for him whilst he cleared up the sick and I could have cried. DH saw how much pain I was in. Was such an odd sensation to be holding someone else's newborn whilst I've got a dead baby in me

ratherbeshowjumping · 06/12/2018 07:28

I'm so sorry to see you here @edidxb Thanks
That sounds awful, I'm glad you have a friend you can be with. Your poor DH too, it must be awful for him being away from you right now.
You sound like you're being so strong ❤️
Sending lots of love to you xxxx

We're "seeing how things go" this cycle then back to tracking properly next I think. Judging by EWCM, I think now is about right. Typical that I spent months tracking everything then the month I did fall pg, I recorded nothing, so I don't have much to really go on. We dtd Mon & yesterday, I think I'll pounce on DH tomorrow too.
We did try on Tuesday but poor DH put himself under so much pressure & it wouldn't work 🙈

edidxb · 06/12/2018 06:19

Hi all. I'm here to join the party too from the July ante-natal boards. Had my scan this morning (3rd one) and it was bad news. Another missed miscarriage. I should have been 9+4 but was actually 6+2.
I had my last scan and was 6 weeks even though I thought I was 7. There was a heartbeat so the doctor thought everything was fine but asked me to come back in 2 weeks which I did.
I was reasonably hopeful. Still having some nausea even though I wasn't as tired and boobs not as senstitve. But it wasn't to be.
I had mentally prepared myself but still burst into tears and am devastated.
Last time I went for the natural miscarriage which I found out at 10 weeks but it was 8+3. I ended up in an ambulance and hospital in so much pain having a D&C so this time I am going straight for the operation.
I live in Dubai so it's a bit different here with insurance so my doctor told me to go to A&E tomorrow morning and they should be able to do it tomorrow. If I make an appointment for surgery it has to get preapproval from the insurance company which takes days.
So I'll take my dog to boarding today and head to the hospital tomorrow and hopefully they do it and I don't have to wait too long. Just have to fast after dinner tonight.
Was taking the progesterone and aspirn this time. I am convinced the progesterone just masks a miscarriage and if I get pregnant again (hopefully) then I don't think I'll take it next time.
My husband is away (typical) but I have a friend who can come and pick me up at least. I am signed off work for a week so I'll head to the supermarket in moment, buy a croissant and then maybe come home and have a full caffeine tea!
urgghhhhhhhh, so unfair for us all.
xxxxx

TinselBee · 06/12/2018 05:38

Btw is anyone else finding they are super hot one second then super cold? Been winding me up all yesterday and last night!

TinselBee · 06/12/2018 05:37

Betty have done at start of TTC journey by BBT but ended up just going by CM. But think I'll start BBT again from this weekend

BettySwoll0cks · 05/12/2018 21:19

That's good to hear @TinselBee. Do you chart your cycles? Could be useful if you do conceive without having had a period in between

TinselBee · 05/12/2018 16:59

Afternoon everyone, hope you're all as well as you can be xx

Frazzle I am so sorry you've been crying. It's good to get it all out. How does you DH feel about TTC again? Did you get out shopping? Hope you enjoyed yourself. I totally understand how you feel about work and the dress, in the same boat here. Foolishly have had same dress for past 2 christmassy now unworn.

Rather that's how I've been feeling too at work. Taken rest of the week off, didn't go in today. It's tough isn't it? Good on you from managing to work from home and powering through

So sorry to read how poorly you've felt Betty and it's good to have time away from work and rest.

Bleeding is so odd, it's just like brown blood in with CM now. It's so light. But cramping and back pain is awful.

Spoken to DH and I think we will actually TTC straight away

ratherbeshowjumping · 05/12/2018 14:57

Absolutely do not blame you @BettySwoll0cks
I'm working from home in my pjs and the desire to curl into a ball and not adult today is beyond tempting

Hopefulirishmammy · 05/12/2018 14:56

Frazzle, I’m so sorry that’s so tough. It sounds like YOU know what you need to do for you. That’s all you can do. But sending hugs your way!
And well done on organizing. It sounds fab!!

I went to part of my work do on Friday, mainly as some colleagues are friends, partly as I had also organized it. And partly as it helped break the news for me before I officially return and am expected to work “like normal” (most people knew as it’s a social environment and I was obviously not drinking and fairly ill, plus frontline healthcare so was risk assessed!). I had a line prepped that I was comfortable saying when people said something (mainly comforting comments but still hard to hear) and for me it worked. I felt more supported after and have even got a few nice texts/emails. BUT you know what you can manage and what you need. I’m sorry it’s not as you had hoped. It’s not a nice reminder Flowers

To the others at work...I’ve no idea how your there! I’ve been so emotionally exhausted I’ve slept past ten most mornings and napped most days!! I’m back in tomorrow to organize my timetable for the following week. I spent this morning leaving my house (which I really haven’t done in the last week) and then cleaning and dancing to cheesy songs. Now I’m shattered. I’m kinda in awe of your bravery!

BettySwoll0cks · 05/12/2018 14:29

..... For 3 hours. Whoops Blush

BettySwoll0cks · 05/12/2018 11:17

A huge hug to you @Frazzlerock I'm so sorry you won't get it enjoy your organisational wizardry tonight Sad it sounds like an amazing Christmas do. Like ratherbe, we had friends round at the weekend and although I definitely didn't feel at my sparkly best, I am glad we did it. Much easier when DP is around to support I think.

I have just given up at work. I feel so ill - like the worst ever hangover, and shaking all over - I don't remember feeling as bad as this with my first but maybe I've forgotten. I have a laptop for work so I can keep on top of things but first I'm going to have a sleep. 😴

ratherbeshowjumping · 05/12/2018 11:03

Oh Frazzle it sounds like you're being so, so brave. I really wish I could just bring you a cup of tea and give you a huge hug.

Is there no way you can go tonight? It sounds like a fantastic night (kudos to you for organising that!) and may make you feel a little better just to get out and see what you've achieved...?
One of my best friends is 20 weeks, I was so excited to be off on mat leave at the same time as her - on the weekend, we'd arranged for her, her DH & DS to come for Sunday lunch. DH and I were absolutely dreading it and I had even picked up the phone a few times ready to cancel during the week. We ended up having a lovely afternoon and I'm so pleased I didn't cancel the plans.

Hope you have a lovely day, whatever you end up doing.

I'm working but in honesty am finding it tough to concentrate (hence why I'm here...). All I want to do is curl up with my dogs and a good book and just pretend the past 2 weeks have been a horrible nightmare.

Frazzlerock · 05/12/2018 10:01

Morning everyone,

How are we all managing this morning?
I've cried several times, DP has had to go into work but he will be at home tomorrow.

I've just booked my miscarriage referral appointment. It's not until 21st February. It seems so long away. Still, I could get pregnant in that time and, if we lose another, then I still have that appointment in place.

I've just given up my running place in the London Landmarks Half for Tommys. I love running and have done many races, but I haven't trained for this one as was too scared to move during my pregnancy with Popsy, and if I get pregnant again there is no way I'm doing any running, especially not race quality. Not that it made the slightest bit of difference this time.

We've another gloomy day here in Sevenoaks. I'm still in my PJs, sitting in the nursing chair, watching Jeremy Kyle - Oh how I've changed Shock

It is my work xmas party tonight, which I organised! My colleagues have been asking me if I will go but there is no way I'm ready for any of that. Plus I bought a beautiful dress from Jojomaman Bebe which i was going to wear and proudly show off my little bump - which was already pretty big if you remember my pics on the ante natal thread.
It would have been so much fun. It was at one of those temporary big tops along the South Bank in London. It is shared with lots of other companies and with a Vegas Theme, so loads of entertainment to watch along with a full xmas dinner and free drinks.
Gutted I've had to miss out.
When we lost Emily, the same thing happened. I'd bought a gorgeous summer maternity dress for the summer party, and I had to duck out of that one too. I now have two dresses in my wardrobe that haven't been worn. I wonder if I will ever get to wear them...

What to do today...
I could just sit here all day and fester. I do have a bit of cleaning to do (fun!). I may even brave Bluewater to get DP some birthday/xmas presents but that seems to be the place that all pregnant women congregate. In the time DP refused to try again, I really struggled being there. I often came home and cried my eyes out.

Maybe I could go back to my new favourite shop instead - B&M Wink

Tinsel how's the bleeding today?
Betty - any progression today?

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